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ciderman9000000 said:
Pete, are you suggesting that Arsenal has some kind of god-given right to keep hold of world class football players despite clearly not having the capability to win trophies whilst they are at the club? Your players leave because Arsenal are shit nowadays and Wenger doesn't have it in him to win another title. It's not lack of funding that lets you down, it's Arsene Wenger's attitude; he's a systematic bottler who'll never get the sack on account of him being so commercially attractive from the owner's POV. Wenger knows his place; it's about time you yourself learnt Arsenal's place in the Premier League - nobody gives a feck about you.
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:lol::lol:

Tell it like it is man
 
Wengers a great manager, certainly has it in him to win another title. He's just stubborn as feck which hampers their progress. But if he manages to capture Cazorla then he'll have done well this window, far better than he has done for years.
 
Plechazunga said:
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"You see this small statue, Arsene? Is pig, about to feck goat. But this
is irrelevant to my point. My point is, no qualify Champions League, you die."
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:lol:
 
cw1984 said:
Arsene Wenger is a football club owner's wet dream IMO. He regularly spends feck all, brings in large transfer fees yet always keeps Arsenal on the gravy train that is the Champions League.

It may not be ideal for the fans but as far as owners go, he's pretty much perfect.
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Which imo is why Arsenal are so shite and why their players keep leaving; they've a manager who's only ambition is to keep his own job and make money for the club's owners. Why should any world class players wish to play in such conditions? Arsenal are a wealthy club, and whereas Arsene Wenger seems content to repeatedly do things on the cheap, not utilising the club's wealth in the slightest, a decent manager would be doing his best to maximise that wealth and convert it into success on the pitch; as such Wenger is both a shit manager (from a fan and player perspective) but also completely unsackable due to his being an owner's dream. It's no wonder decent players can't be fecked with it.
 
Has United really ever lost a world class or lynchpin player and replaced him with a massive gamble? For me Padolski, Giroud and even Carzola (would be) are massive gamble signings.

Correct me if I am wrong but thats what I see Wenger do far too many times is drop the lynchpin player out of the team and have to throw someone either in or make a gamble buy on someone and hope they come up with the goods. That only gets you so far..
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Pete, are you suggesting that Arsenal has some kind of god-given right to keep hold of world class football players despite clearly not having the capability to win trophies whilst they are at the club? Your players leave because Arsenal are shit nowadays and Wenger doesn't have it in him to win another title. It's not lack of funding that lets you down, it's Arsene Wenger's attitude; he's a systematic bottler who'll never get the sack on account of him being so commercially attractive from the owner's POV. Wenger knows his place; it's about time you yourself learnt Arsenal's place in the Premier League - nobody gives a feck about you.
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:lol: Yes.
 
Theon said:
Wengers a great manager, certainly has it in him to win another title. He's just stubborn as feck which hampers their progress. But if he manages to capture Cazorla then he'll have done well this window, far better than he has done for years.
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In what sense is he a great manager? His only ambition is to stay in the top four, a task which until the last season or two has been rather simple considering the fact that nobody has challenged 'the big four' at all up until now; Wenger's early successes have carried Arsenal this far, but they're quickly becoming a distant memory. It's fair to say that he was a great manager, but so was Kenny Dalgleish; is Wenger a great manager nowadays? No - he's lost all the ambition that made him great ten years ago; he's still very good technically, and he certainly has a good eye for talent, but it takes much more than that to be a great football manager. Wenger's far too comfortable settling for second best to be considered a great manager these days, hence why the genuinely great players show no loyalty to either him or the club he's built in his own image.
 
Wenger is ambitious, however he is more loyal than ambitious.
Any one else would have fecked off by now to refrain from financial restriction.

Such loyalty should be applauded not criticised.
 
Whos fault is it that two of Arsenals best players (Nasri, RVP) have been allowed to run their contracts down to the final year?
That's whats flummoxed me. It just does not make sense that they have been allowed to do that.
 
newtonheathdave said:
Whos fault is it that two of Arsenals best players (Nasri, RVP) have been allowed to run their contracts down to the final year?
That's whats flummoxed me. It just does not make sense that they have been allowed to do that.
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how would we know who takes care of tapping up players at Manchester City?
 
ghaliboy said:
Has United really ever lost a world class or lynchpin player and replaced him with a massive gamble? For me Padolski, Giroud and even Carzola (would be) are massive gamble signings.

Correct me if I am wrong but thats what I see Wenger do far too many times is drop the lynchpin player out of the team and have to throw someone either in or make a gamble buy on someone and hope they come up with the goods. That only gets you so far..
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replacing:-
ince with butt
parker with neville
kanchelskis with beckham
hughes with scholes
cole with ruud
ruud with rooney
keane with carrick
beckham with ronaldo
irwin with heinze
heinze with evra
vander saar with de gea

fergie does it ALL the time. the difference being fergie says when players leave and he tends to get rid onve they have served their purpose
 
ghaliboy said:
Has United really ever lost a world class or lynchpin player and replaced him with a massive gamble? For me Padolski, Giroud and even Carzola (would be) are massive gamble signings.

Correct me if I am wrong but thats what I see Wenger do far too many times is drop the lynchpin player out of the team and have to throw someone either in or make a gamble buy on someone and hope they come up with the goods. That only gets you so far..
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Stam.
 
ghaliboy said:
Has United really ever lost a world class or lynchpin player and replaced him with a massive gamble? For me Padolski, Giroud and even Carzola (would be) are massive gamble signings.

Correct me if I am wrong but thats what I see Wenger do far too many times is drop the lynchpin player out of the team and have to throw someone either in or make a gamble buy on someone and hope they come up with the goods. That only gets you so far..
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How are Podolski, Giroud or Cazorla massive gamble signings? They are all internationals for three of the best teams in Europe.

Less of a gamble than Smalling, Vidic, Valencia, Hernandez, Nani, Anderson etc.
 
Podolski's not a sub and being a sub for Spain is no criticism.

France play one up top so no shame in being behind Benzema, regardless of whether he is a starter for France he was top scorer in Ligue 1 last season. So he isn't a 'massive gamble' like he said.
 
Plechazunga said:
I still don't really get it though. The leaving to win titles thing. Personally I'd rather be part of making a good side great than just being transported into a great side that's already winning trophies and winning stuff with them.

Then again, that might be one of the reasons I'm not a top-level professional footballer...

I still think it's generally about money though, not trophies. How often does a player turn down more money?
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Agreed. I made the point earlier in the thread.

Plechazunga said:
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"You see this small statue, Arsene? Is pig, about to feck goat. But this
is irrelevant to my point. My point is, no qualify Champions League, you die."
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:lol:
 
according to italian tv channel rai, juventus offer is amde up of 18m euros to arsenal and 5m salary to rvp.
 
£15M isn't enough, £20M is in the balance, £25M would probably do it. Otherwise he's at Arsenal next season.
 
Yeah I'm with geebs. If us, City or Juve come along with £18m and offer him good wages, he'll be running, and Arsenal will be grabbing for the cash.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
In what sense is he a great manager? His only ambition is to stay in the top four, a task which until the last season or two has been rather simple considering the fact that nobody has challenged 'the big four' at all up until now; Wenger's early successes have carried Arsenal this far, but they're quickly becoming a distant memory. It's fair to say that he was a great manager, but so was Kenny Dalgleish; is Wenger a great manager nowadays? No - he's lost all the ambition that made him great ten years ago; he's still very good technically, and he certainly has a good eye for talent, but it takes much more than that to be a great football manager. Wenger's far too comfortable settling for second best to be considered a great manager these days, hence why the genuinely great players show no loyalty to either him or the club he's built in his own image.
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I'm all for laughing at Arsenal but I think it's more than fair to say that few managers would've kept Arsenal in the top four under the same conditions as Wenger has. He has his faults, as all do but he is still a very good manager.
 
acnumber9 said:
I'm all for laughing at Arsenal but I think it's more than fair to say that few managers would've kept Arsenal in the top four under the same conditions as Wenger has. He has his faults, as all do but he is still a very good manager.
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Nah, Steve Kean would do a better job
 
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