Robin van Persie

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Decotron said:
Not as a forward anytime Ive seen him to date.
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I think you're just tediously arguing semantics again.

He scored 13 goals in the Bundesliga last year, playing off the striker. He is blatantly a forward player.

Thats not even the point anyway, the point is that when he plays in the hole we will only play with one striker, so he is taking up one of the two poistions. If it makes you sleep better don't call him a forward. But it doesn't change the fact that he is taking games away from our other forwards, so for ease of discussion he should be called that.

Off the striker Kagawa/Rooney role - Kagawa, Rooney
Striker - Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez.

That's our four 'forwards' currently. Kagawa obviously is in that group.
 
It's not that hard to understand what Theon is saying :lol:

AMR - AMC -AML
ST

ST - ST

Two basic forward lines, Kagawa/Rooney/Hernandez/Young/Welbeck are all players who'd be available at AMC or ST, with Kagawa/Young the main AMC and Welbeck being the main ST, Rooney as the best overall forward. Then you could probably afford to have someone like Macheda as a 4th sole ST.

All of those players have at least 5 years left so Van Persie would be a waste for you.
 
Theon said:
:lol: Are we really doing this?

No, that isn't what happened. Considering it is, like you say, in black and white for anyone to read I'm surprised you haven't grasped this yet.

Bryan said he thinks we need 4 strikers if Berbatov goes, so could do with Van Persie.



I say,



He dismisses Kagawa and Moura by writing,



So he was saying that it doesn't matter if we signed Moura and Kagawa, Bryan thinks we need four strikers regardless. Hence my next comment,



Get it now? He was saying that in addition to/regardless of signing Moura and Kagwa, we still need four strikers. Which would, should those signings happen, give a total of 6 forwards.
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He never mentioned Moura. You did. It is very simple.
 
Theon said:
I think you're just tediously arguing semantics again.

He scored 13 goals in the Bundesliga last year, playing off the striker. He is blatantly a forward player.

Thats not even the point anyway, the point is that when he plays in the hole we will only play with one striker, so he is taking up one of the two poistions. If it makes you sleep better don't call him a forward. But it doesn't change the fact that he is taking games away from our other forwards, so for ease of discussion he should be called that.

Off the striker Kagawa/Rooney role - Kagawa, Rooney
Striker - Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez.

That's our four 'forwards' currently. Kagawa obviously is in that group.
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Thanks Fergie.
 
Theon said:
I think you're just tediously arguing semantics again.
He scored 13 goals in the Bundesliga last year, playing off the striker. He is blatantly a forward player.

Thats not even the point anyway, the point is that when he plays in the hole we will only play with one striker, so he is taking up one of the two poistions. If it makes you sleep better don't call him a forward. But it doesn't change the fact that he is taking games away from our other forwards, so for ease of discussion he should be called that.

Off the striker Kagawa/Rooney role - Kagawa, Rooney
Striker - Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez.

That's our four 'forwards' currently. Kagawa obviously is in that group.
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:confused: again? think you're mixing me up with someone else.

I simply disagree with your opinion based on watching him over the last 2 years. I think he's an attacking midfielder. Stop the fecking presses eh?
 
Decotron said:
:confused: again? think you're mixing me up with someone else.

I simply disagree with your opinion based on watching him over the last 2 years. I think he's an attacking midfielder. Stop the fecking presses eh?
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How would you feel about Van Persie with Kagawa behind him or Van Persie and rooney in the hole?
It would give you a load of different options and there would be enough games for all of them.
 
newtonheathdave said:
How would you feel about Van Persie with Kagawa behind him or Van Persie and rooney in the hole?
It would give you a load of different options and there would be enough games for all of them.
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What about Welbeck?

I like RVP but he's too injury prone and at the wrong end of his career. Up front isn't where we have problems. It'd be a pointless signing.
 
Always liked RVP, would be very happy if we got him for a few years
 
I said this in the twitter thread but it's probably more applicable/likely to get discussed here:

I would be very disappointed if we signed RVP. Welbeck is already going to struggle enough to get playing time competing with Rooney, Kagawa, and Chicharito, let alone adding RVP to the mix.

Having two world class strikers and 2 potential world class strikers doesn't really make a whole lot of sense when you add in that we just bought Kagawa to likely play behind a single striker.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
I'm not including Macheda, hence 5 down to 3.
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Why not? No mention of him going anywhere.

We don't necessarily need 4 senior strikers anyway. I don't see us lining up in a 442 all that often this season.
 
Signing Van Persie in the current market would be utter madness. Would cost silly money, will be 29 by the time he plays and only has a single injury-free season under his belt.

Only a club with unlimited resources could justify that gamble, IMO.

With one of the world's top strikers in Rooney, a promising but mature youngster in Welbeck and a pure poacher in Hernandez, coupled with the possibility of Kagawa as a number 10, I can't see how a striker would be needed anyway.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
No, I was saying that I think Fergie will want 4 strikers.
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:lol: In a thread about signing Van Persie for feck sake.

So you're saying you just randomly came into the Van Persie thread to say that Fergie will want 4 strikers and that had no implication whatsoever to signing Van Persie...

Makes sense. :wenger:
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Read the thread.
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I genuinely can't tell if you're on a windup.

If you're saying that you just came into the Van Persie thread to say that Fergie wants another striker, but that you weren't referring to Van Persie in any way, then I think you're blatantly in the wrong thread..

Or alternatively you could just stop trying to retract everything you said because it's been shown up to be a load of shite.

Either way I've had enough of you're bollocks, so no point continuing this.
 
So if this were to happen, how would we line-up. We're clearly not going to bench Rooney, and I fully expect Kagawa to be a regular starter. How do we fit all of them in to the same team? Not to mention we will have Welbeck and Chicharito on the bench.
 
I think we could maybe use a 4-2-2-2 formation like City do, hypothetically RVP & Rooney up front with the other two used as back-up, then players like Nani, Kagawa, Valencia, Young, potentially Lucas playing as two "wide" (but central too) attacking players behind them (think Silva & Nasri), only trouble is for the two defensive midfield positions we don't have enough for two positions, Scholes & Carrick probably first choice with Giggs & Ando able to play there, potentially Cleverley too but I'm not sure. It's kind of flimsy in that position. (well documented)

Of course that is all bollocks Fergie will probably play Kagawa Lucas & Nani in a 3 man midfield what the feck do I know.
 
Before we got Kagawa I was all for signing RVP at a good price but now it's just not necessary. I'm not in the camp of wanting to play Kagawa in cm, I'd like to see him in his best position which is further forward. Maybe the odd game we really want to attack he could play there, but otherwise I fully expect him to be competing with Welbeck and Hernandez and to a lesser extent, Nani, Valencia and Young, for a spot in the team. As such I just don't think there's room for RVP. You don't sign him to be a squad player and I just can't see how you could balance the squad with him here and why he'd be needed.
 
Signing Van Persie would essentially mean coming up with some sort of formation that only ever really works in FIFA if you ask me.

I guess we could try a 4312:
Van Persie - Rooney
Kagawa
Anderson - Carrick - Cleverley/Valencia​

Or 4132:
RVP - Rooney
Nani - Kagawa - Valencia
Carrick​

I don't really see how it could work, I'll chuck this in with Lucas as another potential signing I don't really think we need.
 
It's hard to imagine a United team without two wingers isn't it. The bottom one is the same one I come up with when I think about it, but no way in hell can Carrick play there on his own, at least IMO, but that formation gives us wingers, 2 strikers plus Kagawa in the 'hole'.
 
It's worse than signing Lucas tbh because Lucas can play central or on either wing, whereas with Van Persie he's only gonna be used centrally.
 
--------------RVP------Welbeck
Nani-------------Rooney-------------Valencia
---------------Kagawa----Carrick
 
Why would Arsenal sell RVP to us when they wouldn't even sell Nasri to United?
 
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