I don't think that we'll ever see the consistent player that fired us to the title two years ago again, however he was openly talked about as the best striker on the planet around that time. I do still think he's capable of performances like the one that literally earned us a place in the CL quarter final last season. That glorious hatrick. For that reason alone, I think it'd be very risky to drop him.
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People see a player having a drop in form for a few months and instantly draw conclusions about him, "he will never be the same", "lost his pace", "he will never be as fit as in 2013". Reality is, the season just started, players just came back from the world cup and pre-season, we are just clicking in as a team, is way too early into the season to draw conclusions about a players form.
In Rooney's absence one of those attacking players had to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the team, and against Everton it was RvP. I thought it was a captain's performance. He wasn't sensational by any means, but he battled hard and fought for the team. It stifled his goal threat somewhat but I still thought he played an important role in our victory.
Even though I'm not completely sure RVP will get back to his very best, this is true. I remember people revising how important he was to us in his first season a few months ago and saying that it was a mistake signing him. If he was to find his best form again, you wouldn't see people saying that. Granted, it wouldn't surprise me if the guy has had his best days, but I think that some are writing him off a little too quickly. Suppose that's always the nature of things though.
I'd be pleasantly surprised to see him regain his form of a couple of years ago. Don't think it will happen unfortunately.
Except that he was like this for the entirety of last season too.
You can bleat on that it was under Moyes and the team was a mess but it doesn't change the fact that Robin is older and has been struggling with injuries. To completely disregard the physical ramifications of being past the accepted peak after an injury ravaged career is quite a blind attitude.
He's still a great player and will score goals but I just don't see how he's going to magically regain pace, sharpness, mobility and play his way into better form.
State of this thread lol. He might as well retire on some logic in here.
It isn't a new manager for him though. And like I said it isn't just this season, it has been a while now.
He seemed so different compared to two seasons ago when he was banging in goals for fun. But annoyed me most was not his lack of pace or anything but his constant asking for ball even if he is in a very bad position to receive in the first place. Look at Di Maria's goal against Everton, he was surrounded by players but still signal to Mata for the ball.
He still did quite well too last season though. Perhaps not as good performance wise and he missed a lot more games, but he still managed a respectable goals tally over the course of the season. It's not as if he was terrible.
You're definitely entitled to your opinion but IMO to write a player of RVP's quality so quickly is just folly. He's started six times for us this season and hey, he might have a terrible season but you've gone way too soon.
It seems as though these days with players being bought and sold so easily that any sort of form drop just isn't tolerated by fans and the media alike. It's inevitable players will fluctuate in their form because they are human and that's what happens. And it's a bad mentality to have, it's the type of mentality that would've seen Evra sold six months after he arrived at United and likewise with De Gea.
By the way I agree his form hasn't been great. Just don't agree he's done b
Hopefully he will score a few goals for holland to regain his confidence back. Who are they playing in the qualifier?
Few days ago I was watching the season review of last season and what struck me was rvp wasn't as bad as I thought under moyes. He was still scoring decent amount of goals, majority of which are high quality goals mind you.
But I do get the impression now that he is carrying some sort of injury for a while now
It's pretty clear to me that he's turned the corner so to say. His goal/shot ratio has improved or is roughly the same though, which is good. Still early days, and he might turn it around, but the signs are not great.
He was lone striker at Arsenal, then a 9 and a half in 12/13, then played for Moyes in 13/14 and now finally plays alongside two other worldclass strikers, all of whom are vying for the same space in the penalty box. Some of his numbers are obviously going to be affected in those circumstances.
The biggest question is over whether he can improve his game outside the penalty box, because that's where he's increasingly going to find himself this season. I worry if he has the pace to be a threat from there.
The biggest question is over whether he can improve his game outside the penalty box, because that's where he's increasingly going to find himself this season. I worry if he has the pace to be a threat from there.
I think nearly every United player has a statistical decrease from 12/13 to 13/14 and the statistics from 14/15 are after 7 games, from which we played 4 games with the whole team (Falcao, Blind ...) Statistics are an important tool in todays football, but you always have to consider the circumstances they were taken under and the Moyes season hopefully was a one of.
He is certainly ageing, how couldn't he? But it's so stupid to suggest that it is only downhill from now on and that we should get rid of him. RVP is still a brilliant striker and certainly a player who is smart enough to adjust his game, especially considering he hasn't really relied on pace anyway. His game is all about intelligent movement, good technique and smart finishing. He is still deadly around the box and will only get better in the coming weeks. He will score some beautiful and vital goals this season and makes some people on here eat their words, no doubt about that.
He is certainly ageing, how couldn't he? But it's so stupid to suggest that it is only downhill from now on and that we should get rid of him. RVP is still a brilliant striker and certainly a player who is smart enough to adjust his game, especially considering he hasn't really relied on pace anyway. His game is all about intelligent movement, good technique and smart finishing. He is still deadly around the box and will only get better in the coming weeks. He will score some beautiful and vital goals this season and makes some people on here eat their words, no doubt about that.
Stats show it, RVP is done! RVP out!
SAF knew how to get 110% out of his strikers, SAF being a forward in his younger days, plus along with working with so many world class forwards in his managerial career, knew exactly how to get the best out of RVP
Its safe to say, that weve seen his best, plus under SAF he was the "main man" our main striker, so our play normally built arond rooney, was built around rvp, so obviously whole team , was providing him usually solely with ammunition
Whereas now there is no main striker, its a clusterfeck of RVP, Rooney, and Falcao, they`e all in each others way
Its safe to say, that weve seen his best, plus under SAF he was the "main man" our main striker, so our play normally built arond rooney, was built around rvp, so obviously whole team , was providing him usually solely with ammunition
Whereas now there is no main striker, its a clusterfeck of RVP, Rooney, and Falcao, they`e all in each others way
13/14 was a shit season for everybody, not only RVP.
The other question is whether or not we should keep relying on RVP to score so many goals, and with players like DiMaria and Falcao here I think the clear answer is that we shouldn't. RVP does have the ability to create goals that we haven't really seen in his time here (or anywhere?) and maybe taking some of that goalscoring burden off of him and bringing playmaking to his game would help get another few years out of him.
I'm encouraged somewhat by seeming him trying to link up with Falcao in the first games together. I don't know if RVP will be happy with doing that for the long term but it looks like it could be a great pairing.
I'm encouraged somewhat by seeming him trying to link up with Falcao in the first games together. I don't know if RVP will be happy with doing that for the long term but it looks like it could be a great pairing.
Why shouldn't we rely on a striker to score goals? We should've kept Welbeck if we wanted that. I don't know about him looking like he's looking capable of 'playmaking', his passing and build-up play has been worse than Falcao's this season.
It doesn't, at all. He's constantly occupying the same positions Falcao wants to take up, and he looks as lethargic and disinterested to drop back as ever.
It wasn't even really a shit season for him, though. Not a standout season, but it was a decent one, perhaps one that can be considered as better than it generally would be because a lot of our team really was shit.
Its simple,hes a striker,that in a year or two should be dropping deeper.
Fecking move around the boxand bury what WILL be created for him,hes convinced now hes a nine and half which is half the problem.Yeah hes lost a lot of directness and i think thats Vangaals fault,i.e this ls/rs role he had for his national team.Easily rectified,just play him as a fecking striker,yeah work ethic ,yadda yadda,hes flair,dont make hm work so hard.
I hope he stays and becomes a new Sheringham type.
Fecking move around the boxand bury what WILL be created for him,hes convinced now hes a nine and half which is half the problem.Yeah hes lost a lot of directness and i think thats Vangaals fault,i.e this ls/rs role he had for his national team.Easily rectified,just play him as a fecking striker,yeah work ethic ,yadda yadda,hes flair,dont make hm work so hard.
I hope he stays and becomes a new Sheringham type.
I just don't see it in van Persie to play there. Obviously he has great technique, and he's an intelligent player, but I just don't see that ability to get close to others in that tight area and link-up play - which usually comes so naturally to others.
For me, he just looks at his best when left to play on his own, and the more people in and around him, the worse he looks.
He'd do a decent job due to his technique, but I do't see him thriving there, like many do.
There's usually a hint of that ability to play with a partner, but van Persie's never shown that.
Best thing for him, in my opinion, would be to move to a slower league where he can play up top on his own. Still think he'd do well as a no.9 in a slower system, if he's left to get on with playing as the sole striker.
That header seem like a distant memory now, he should be dropped for a 4-3-3 with Falcao as a lone striker. Think we'd smash teams with this sytem.
He just doesn't seem to getting involved anything like as much as in his first season for us, both at club and international level. In his first season here I remember being pleasantly surprised by just how involved he was in the build-up and how his touch was always fantastic. Very rarely was he the cause of an attack breaking down.
Now he mostly seems to stand around upfront, occasionally reminding you he's on the pitch by getting caught offside or having a heavy touch and losing possession.
Now he mostly seems to stand around upfront, occasionally reminding you he's on the pitch by getting caught offside or having a heavy touch and losing possession.
Reminds of Shevchenko at Chelsea right now, his legs just don't seem there.
How did he play against Iceland? Anyone watch the game?
Terrible quite honestly, typical RVP performance, reading a few Dutch columns a lot of Dutch people want hiddink and RVP out of the team.
Pretty much how most united fans feel about him currently the majority want RVP to be benched. I'm not sure exactly what's happened to him but he is a shadow of the player he was when he signed for us. Lost all his pace, seems very lazy but selfish too.
Some of the criticism is a bit OTT, but understandable, nonetheless.
It's been a very long while now, since RvP has been at his best and with 2 world class strikers to rotate him with, he should be dropped.
Even last season, he only showed up in patches. Seems at this present moment, LVG is reluctant to drop his (former) NT Captain.
Let's hope the persistence pays off, sooner rather then later. Either that, or we should drop him.
It's been a very long while now, since RvP has been at his best and with 2 world class strikers to rotate him with, he should be dropped.
Even last season, he only showed up in patches. Seems at this present moment, LVG is reluctant to drop his (former) NT Captain.
Let's hope the persistence pays off, sooner rather then later. Either that, or we should drop him.
Hiddink already getting criticism? Suppose the Dutch are really struggling.
I take it Depay is injured? Saw Lens play both matches recently.
Yeah, alongside Vlaar and of course Strootman, but they are really underperforming. Even their win was very very sloppy.
Yeah, I think Strootman is a huge miss as they just don't have anyone of that quality to replace him. Still not sure why they're persisting playing Blind at LB - especially in a 4-3-3. He could do a job next to de Jong in midfield. (unless their depth at LB is pretty shit?).
Can see Hiddink being under a ton of pressure, especially if they huff and puff through qualification.
Feck.
While a lot of these comments are true, let's put this together with how our team have been, I wouldn't take last season with any real conviction, I have said for a while people over-reach with him, he's a classy player, but his effectiveness will be different. He's a very static option, I hate to say this, but he currently reminds me more of a selfish Berbatov unfortunately, I'd love to see him get back to his best, but I feel his best is now behind us, but that's not to say he wouldn't get back to a level where he is a very good EPL striker, as let's not forget, his "best", was one of the top 5 strikers in the world.
Even as one of his biggest fans, Its getting quite worrying now.
For all his injuries last season, when he played he didn't look anywhere near this bad. Maybe its those injuries that have just finally taken its toll on his body?
For all his injuries last season, when he played he didn't look anywhere near this bad. Maybe its those injuries that have just finally taken its toll on his body?
I keep seeing people asking for him to be dropped for Falcao or Mata... But what have those 2 done in this start of the season that warrants a place in the team over RVP? They have been at least as shit as RVP if not worse so I don't really get it? The only one who can keep his head high from our forwards is Rooney and he isn't setting the world on fire either, tbh.
The only player who can have the right to claim a starting spot over him(or Mata/Falcao for that matter) si Janujaz, imo, who performed really well in the reserves and deserves his chance.
The only player who can have the right to claim a starting spot over him(or Mata/Falcao for that matter) si Janujaz, imo, who performed really well in the reserves and deserves his chance.
Falcao come's very high profile and hasn't really had a chance yet, Mata outperformed RVP since Mata joined, agree about Januzaj though and I'd like to see Mata up top. I'd like to see:
Mata Falcao
Januzaj
ADM Herrera
Blind
That is very debatable, VERY
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