I was watching this game half cut but every time I lifted my head he was slowing down every single counter attack. Utter wank.
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I keep saying this, but he misses too many easy chances. Even when he scored 30, he should have got more.
A few times he and Falcao made the same run and were in each other's space. Hopefully they sort that out as their partnership develops. If Mata had played well then I would say that RvP should be benched for Rooney. Since Mata was pretty average though and LvG clearly likes van Persie I can see him retaining his position for a while.
I feel like I watched an entirely different game... I thought rvp was very good. Led by example making tackles and putting in a shift. Usual classy ball control, build up and movement. Only frustration for me was him missing that early first time chance from a di Maria cross. Both he and Falcao could have given us a solid early lead, neither were able to despite being two of the top 5 or 6 forwards around.
I really can't believe we're talking about rvp in this way. He's still the most talented player we've got imo (maybe di Maria...).
I really can't believe we're talking about rvp in this way. He's still the most talented player we've got imo (maybe di Maria...).
You definitely watched a different game.
He was pretty poor yesterday, his movement didn't look great and the moment where he took the ball off di Maria and was offside was incredibly moronic. His technique is good so he kept the ball well to pass it backwards a few times, but it definitely wasn't a lethal performance or anything remotely similar yesterday.
There's also absolutely no doubt he's not the most talented player in our squad, and I'm a bit worried like others about a possible decline. I really thought Van Gaal's arrival would reinvigorate him after a poor season and a mediocre WC, but so far it hasn't looked that way at all. Really hope he picks it up though.
Thought it was probably the best I've seen him play this season. Although that's faint praise, unfortunately.
Van Persie's form is pretty worrying IMO, Last year he had the excuse that he wasn't happy with the Moyes regime etc. But now we have got arguably his favourite manager at the club and his form is actually not any better, I think his World Cup performances were slightly overrated aswell, He was great against Spain in the 1st game but then looked pretty tired after that.
The problem is, at the moment he (along with Rooney) are being exempt from any substitutions or time on the bench and this is still not spurring Van Persie on, In fact i'd probably argue it's doing the opposite, Yesterday he should of been replaced before Falcao yet stayed on the pitch and contributed very little. I really hope he does turn this around because once he is firing on all cylinders then he is arguably one of the best players in the League but he really needs to start picking it up, and fast as we have some big games coming up
The problem is, at the moment he (along with Rooney) are being exempt from any substitutions or time on the bench and this is still not spurring Van Persie on, In fact i'd probably argue it's doing the opposite, Yesterday he should of been replaced before Falcao yet stayed on the pitch and contributed very little. I really hope he does turn this around because once he is firing on all cylinders then he is arguably one of the best players in the League but he really needs to start picking it up, and fast as we have some big games coming up
Doesn't he still need that surgery? I remember a lot of talk about that when we signed Falcao.
Wont be surprised if he is indeed carrying an injury. But its rather uneccessary if true. Should get the operation done as soon as he can.
Sometimes, though, he seemed kinda lacking motivation. It is like he works hard because he has to, not because he wants to.
Sometimes, though, he seemed kinda lacking motivation. It is like he works hard because he has to, not because he wants to.
He has been poor for a while, last season he was mostly average as well. We need to question how much of that is simply because of poor run of form and to which extent this is caused by ageing. An extended injury is possible as well, he had plenty of issues in the past and this is bound to come back and haunt him at some point.
He laughed at surgery rumours I believe.
The injury thing was denied by RvP and LvG not too long ago I thought. Of course it could be them lying or something but I am not sure.
If he's carrying an injury - and Van Gaal know about it - why is he consistently playing 90 minutes while other players are being subbed off before him?
Of course, the second half of that sentence is a pretty good standalone question in it's own right. It looks horribly like simple favouritism. I really hope not, though.
Of course, the second half of that sentence is a pretty good standalone question in it's own right. It looks horribly like simple favouritism. I really hope not, though.
First I thought he was injured, then I figured he was just unfit, then I assumed he just needed a goal to kick start his season, then I thought getting the captaincy would be the jolt up the arse that he needed.
I'm running out of ideas now... anyone?
I'm running out of ideas now... anyone?
Falcao is occupying his spaces? Same old same old.
LvG clearly wants both Falcao and RvP upfront. He has made this very clear in different ways several times:
"I like Falcao, but I like van Persie also"
"Van Persie/Falcao need to play in order to hit top form"
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He is not dropping them unless he has to (injury).
The thing currently is, that not only is he not dropping RvP, but he is actually keeping him on for 90 minutes every single time. I wouldn't necessarily drop him, but at times it has been clear he was out of steam but somehow still managed to finish the game. Well yesterday as captain he celebrated DDG's save and gave him a pat on the head afterwards! That probably will be enough to play another 90 mins against West Brom.
"I like Falcao, but I like van Persie also"
"Van Persie/Falcao need to play in order to hit top form"
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He is not dropping them unless he has to (injury).
The thing currently is, that not only is he not dropping RvP, but he is actually keeping him on for 90 minutes every single time. I wouldn't necessarily drop him, but at times it has been clear he was out of steam but somehow still managed to finish the game. Well yesterday as captain he celebrated DDG's save and gave him a pat on the head afterwards! That probably will be enough to play another 90 mins against West Brom.
It feels like he just doesnt fit into our new set up - he's not connecting with the others and has yet to make the step up into our new team.
I cant see LVG dropping him but it would be interesting to see how we'd play without him
I cant see LVG dropping him but it would be interesting to see how we'd play without him
Doesn't look like Van Persie is missing match fitness to me.
Looks more like he's missing match arsedness.
He should be told to watch one of his games from two years ago on repeat until he puts in a performance like that - he was doing so week in, week out - now looks like he can barely be bothered to move unless the ball comes to him in the box.
Looks more like he's missing match arsedness.
He should be told to watch one of his games from two years ago on repeat until he puts in a performance like that - he was doing so week in, week out - now looks like he can barely be bothered to move unless the ball comes to him in the box.
He just doesn't look like he is enjoying himself to me, understandable last year when Fergie left and MOyes came in but not so understandable this season. With RVP I find it hard to believe its a confidence thing as he has bucket loads.
He didn't watch a different game at all. RVP wasn't poor yesterday, it was a 6/10 performance - nothing special but definitely not poor.
Your comments about him having a poor season last year are laughable and pretty much show what you're about.
For your information, in the 2013/2014 season:
He scored 13 goals in 18 matches for Holland. If you disregard obligatory friendlies he scored 10 goals in 10 matches (World Cup+Qualifiers) for Holland, apparently that is to be considered poor?
He also scored 18 goals in 28 matches for us during the Moyes reign. How the feck does a player who scores 30+ goals in a season, while being injured a lot, have a poor season?
Saying he had a mediocre World Cup is even more laughable, since he scored 4 goals in 6 matches and he hit the woodwork twice. Without him we would've never made it to the semi-finals, and the fact that he wasn't even fit enough to play the full 90 minutes in most matches make his performances even more impressive. Only Muller and James had a way better World Cup, Robben looked better but scored less than RVP while both played as a striker in a 3-5-2, Neymar was looking good, but RVP was definitely one of the best attacking players last tournament, I don't see how that should be named 'mediocre'.
I also love your statement about how there is "also absolutely no doubt he's not the most talented player in our squad", apparently you are quite the connoisseur. Or you're just the ultimate hyperbole lover; I mean it's obvious that Di Maria is our best player at the moment, no doubt. But I could make a very good case for Rooney or RVP being the most talented players in our squad. Based on the level they showed when they were 18 and looking at their best seasons, compared to Di Maria when he was 18 and looking at his best season to day (last season at Real Madrid obviously), you have to admit both RVP and Rooney have showed more talent than Di Maria. Yet you make it out like there is absolutely no doubt that there are more talented players in our squad than RVP, that's just ridiculous.
Sorry but that's utter bollox. There must be at least a dozen players, probably more, who had a better tournament. In fact, I could name three or four Dutch players who had a better tournament!
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Yea I'd agree with that. Didn't really stamp his authority in any of the games at Brazil. Wasn't really any fear factor from him.
Hasn't really lighted the burners under van Gaal here. Decision making was pretty poor yesterday. He looks off the pace and oddly enough, hasn't seem to have fitted into this system despite coming from Arsenal where passing and movement are prized. Needs to click into gear soon because his place is the one under threat IMO.
You can tell a lot about a players confidence and form by their first touch then subsequent movement.
This season he seems to be caught flat footed quite a bit and doesn't seem all that ready to receive the ball. Then when he's got the ball he doesn't seem to be as direct or incisive as what he was in 12/13. Could almost say he looks down on confidence. He doesn't look to really take defenders on and push them back. In his first season with us when the ball was in the final third he was the guy you wanted to have it, always looked the most likely to score or create something.
Doesn't seem to be a fitness or injury thing to me. Though I could be wrong. Not sure either if having Falcao there is helping either. They don't seem to get in each other's way but maybe it's a mental thing. Not feeling like the main man up front anymore.
This season he seems to be caught flat footed quite a bit and doesn't seem all that ready to receive the ball. Then when he's got the ball he doesn't seem to be as direct or incisive as what he was in 12/13. Could almost say he looks down on confidence. He doesn't look to really take defenders on and push them back. In his first season with us when the ball was in the final third he was the guy you wanted to have it, always looked the most likely to score or create something.
Doesn't seem to be a fitness or injury thing to me. Though I could be wrong. Not sure either if having Falcao there is helping either. They don't seem to get in each other's way but maybe it's a mental thing. Not feeling like the main man up front anymore.
He wasn't poor, but he just looked, as usual, like he can't play with a partner and doesn't fit in with the rest of the team at all.
By watching him play? I watched all the Utd games last season, while he had a statistically decent season, I thought his season was really mediocre, by his standards. Injury and Moyes didn't help of course and they're mitigating factors, but I still don't feel he had a good season.
He started off brilliantly against Spain and then looked tired and not that great. I'm surprised you're contesting this, I don't think anyone would dispute Robben had a much better WC than him (there were a lot of cries when Messi got the award as best player instead of Robben, not instead of RvP). Once it reached the knock out games, he was definitely mediocre, and I don't even think he was that excellent in the group stages.
Should have said 'no doubt in my mind', my mistake. It's very obviously just an opinion I'm giving... like most of the posts on this forum, as a whole.
Tell that to Casillas.
One game. Iker didn't do himself any favours by playing crap either.
He wasnt playing a lone front man and helped his team to third in a world cup,he was imposing,his presence alone frees others up.
Anyway yeah he didnt set the world on fire but he wasnt brock either.
That's the point I was agreeing with Pogue on
Not the worst but not the best. Could easily name a dozen players who had better tournaments.That's the point I was agreeing with Pogue on
Sorry mate,misinterpreted the conversation flow.
Some people are too quick to write RvP off. The issue is that he operates best as our the focal point of our attack. Obviously now, however, he has Falcao up top with him. We won't see the best out of either player unless one of them is dropped or put on the wing.
So you conveniently forget the second part of my sentence? If you read it again you'll see I meant one of the best attacking players of the tournament, perhaps it was confusing because it was a long sentence.
It's almost impossible to compare defenders to attackers and or defensive midfielders to wingers and all. Personally I don't think the likes of Vlaar, De Jong, or Blind or perhaps De Vrij had a better World Cup than Van Persie, but it's a very difficult one to compare. A bit like having Pirlo playing a perfect match for Italy, and then having Muller score a nasty hat-trick the same day, you could spend hours debating which of the two was a better perfmance.
He needs to be benched but I don't think LVG is going to do it anytime soon. Falcao spearheading the attack with Rooney being the second-striker and Mata behind those 2 seems like the way to go for me.
Its too early to write off the RVP-Falcao experiment. They do seem to look to pass to each other. Just like Mata they have 2 more games to show that they are our best combination up front.
I was specifically addressing the first clause in that sentence. The idea that only two players had a better tournament. Which is nonsense. It's also nonsense to claim that only two "attacking players" had a better tournament fwiw.
And yes, it was a confusing sentence. Not because it was long, because it was badly structured.
Yeah well if you just watched him play for United last season I guess I can see why you feel he was poor. And that's what I don't like about it, he still scored some vital goals for us, and when he was playing for Holland, in a team that was confident and well organised he didn't look poor at all. So for me it's quite obvious he was struggling because United was playing so dire, not because he was in poor form or anything. And he had more than enough good moments for United last season to justify that thought imo.
I was contesting RVP being 'mediocre' by the way, and I already said Robben looked better and I genuinly feel Robben deserves the credit for having a better World Cup. But I don't feel RVP had much less of a tournament than Robben, so saying Robben was 'way better' feels very unfair. 8/10 for Van Persie, 8.5/10 for Robben, something like that would be my rating. James getting a 9/10, Muller a 8.5/10 and Messi and Neymar 8/10.
Andyeah, obviously it was an opinion, I was just surprised how sure you were that RVP is not the most talented player in our squad. For me it's a very close call between Rooney, RVP and possibly Di Maria, and I really wouldn't know who of those three has more talent. Who do you consider the most talented player in our squad? Looking at your name I'd say Rooney, which is fair enough for me.
Now I'm confused too.
Nah my favourite player is Rooney, for a variety of reasons, a few of them quite subjective, but I don't think he's the most talented.
I think Di Maria is head and shoulders above all those we have at the moment, but that's also cos I believe he's amongst the three best players in the world, full stop. 'Talented' is a tricky one though, cos does that mean just potential talent notwithstanding form (in which case you could make a case about Berbatov being one of the most 'talented' players around?), or current best? I mean I think RvP is immensely talented at his best, but I don't feel he's been performing that well for a while (our opinions differ on the WC and last season in that respect), so his innate talent from my point of view isn't that important, and I'm just wondering whether it's a decline we're witnessing or whether he's going to pick it up and get back to his best, of course wishing strongly for that to happen.
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