Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Brwned said:
We used to have opposition fans that were clever and subtle and witty when on a wind-up. What happened there?
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The very fact you are getting 'wound up' by the suggestion, which is a perfectly reasonable one that was actually first made by a United fan on this thread is a clear indication of the state of play.

Dissect what is wrong with the idea that RVP, who said he particularly wanted to work under SAF, may not be a bit upset about SAF leaving, the entire staff room changing and Moyes' style of play and expectation lowering comments.

Unless you are referring to something Alistair said in which case, never mind.
 
Brightonian said:
6 goals in 8 games. So statistically he's slightly better than the RVP of last season.

And I can't agree, Pocco, that he and Rooney aren't gelling. They've been very unlucky that some excellent link-ups haven't come off. In particular, if the beautiful curling ball over the top from Rooney which RVP volleyed first time onto the bar had ended up in the net, you'd still be watching replays of it. They have an obvious understanding, it just hasn't born obvious fruit yet. But the fact that they have both scored in the same match a number of times already is always an excellent sign for a partnership.
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I don't think their partnership is as good as it should be. Most of the time, RvP seems to play better with Rooney out the side and vice versa. Rarely have they both played at their best together at the same.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
By all means if you want to talk about Chelsea and strikers then make a thread or bump a Chelsea thread, this is the RVP so why should it be incorrect for me to comment on RVP just because our strikers havent scored?

By that logic you should never be able comment on Hazard being average this season because Uniteds wingers/ attacking midfielders have been average.
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When you catch me spending my evening on a Chelsea forum telling you Hazard isn't performing because he's sad/depressed and misses your old manager, you have permission to not only laugh at me, but put me out of my misery for being such a sad act.
 
Kraftwerker said:
When you catch me spending my evening on a Chelsea forum telling you Hazard isn't performing because he's sad/depressed and misses your old manager, you have permission to not only laugh at me, but put me out of my misery for being such a sad act.
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If you cant formulate a debate then don't reply to posts, simples.

I didn't say that was the reason. Count Orduck put it forth and I said its a possibility.

I am actually finding it quite bemusing how this idea seems to touch a nerve with a few people its as though a few players simply cannot be criticized or talked about in depth, I would understand it if the point was a very obscure one.

If you dont believe every single player playing for United would not miss a manager like SAF( maybe Rooney) then I dont think you understand how good of a manager he was.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
The very fact you are getting 'wound up' by the suggestion, which is a perfectly reasonable one that was actually first made by a United fan on this thread is a clear indication of the state of play.

Dissect what is wrong with the idea that RVP, who said he particularly wanted to work under SAF, may not be a bit upset about SAF leaving, the entire staff room changing and Moyes' style of play and expectation lowering comments.

Unless you are referring to something Alistair said in which case, never mind.
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You got me, I'm frothing at the mouth at your every post.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Dissect what is wrong with the idea that RVP, who said he particularly wanted to work under SAF, may not be a bit upset about SAF leaving, the entire staff room changing and Moyes' style of play and expectation lowering comments.
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I bet the whole squad was disappointed with SAF and the coaching staff leaving. It isn't unique to Van Persie. He's not been at his best like the rest of our squad. It's not because they're all still crying and depressed though. Maintaining the same standards set by a manager of 25 odd years isn't done in 3 months.
 
kps88 said:
I bet the whole squad was disappointed with SAF and the coaching staff leaving. It isn't unique to Van Persie. He's not been at his best like the rest of our squad. It's not because they're all still crying and depressed though. Maintaining the same standards set by a manager of 25 odd years isn't done in 3 months.
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Not at all, but everyone reacts in different ways, only he knows himself, we're just speculating.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
If you cant formulate a debate then don't reply to posts, simples.

I didn't say that was the reason. Count Orduck put it forth and I said its a possibility.

I am actually finding it quite bemusing how this idea seems to touch a nerve with a few people its as though a few players simply cannot be criticized or talked about in depth, I would understand it if the point was a very obscure one.

If you dont believe every single player playing for United would not miss a manager like SAF( maybe Rooney) then I dont think you understand how good of a manager he was.
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If you don't like your hairy-fairy telepathy posts to be ridiculed, don't post them.

It's quackery trying to get inside the heads of players and telling us what they're thinking, how they feel, who they're missing, what's keeping them awake at night.

Unless the player in question comes out and says something, what's the point, as it can't actually be proved.

It just comes across as massive wishful thinking on your part.
 
Kraftwerker said:
If you don't like your hairy-fairy telepathy posts to be ridiculed, don't post them.

It's quackery trying to get inside the heads of players and telling us what they're thinking, how they feel, who they're missing, what's keeping them awake at night.

Unless the player in question comes out and says something, what's the point, as it can't actually be proved.

It just comes across as massive wishful thinking on your part.
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Ok but the idea of a forum is to debate things, things that may or may not be true, this one seemed to touch a nerve with a couple though.

How comes you didn't ridicule the United fan that made the first post then? Its not as if the suggestion was that outlandish, so no I didn't expect ridicule.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
So what do you think is wrong with Count Orducks point which I elaborated on then?
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Nothing. I think you'll find I said something similar just a few posts above Count Orduck.
Brwned said:
He's not played well all season so I reckon it's something to do with his "special" relationship with Sir Alex being broken up.
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I just think you're being hopelessly transparent here. That's how Alistair does his thing, but it gets old pretty quick when you go the same way.
 
Players are selfish beasts. VP probably isn't overly happy as he's not in top shape and form.

When he gets back to top level, he'll be happy.
 
Brwned said:
Nothing. I think you'll find I said something similar just a few posts above Count Orduck.

I just think you're being hopelessly transparent here. That's how Alistair does his thing, but it gets old pretty quick when you go the same way.
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Wait, what Im confused now, so you agree with point?

What do you mean I'm being transparent?
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok but the idea of a forum is to debate things, things that may or may not be true, this one seemed to touch a nerve with a couple though.

How comes you didn't ridicule the United fan that made the first post then? Its not as if the suggestion was that outlandish, so no I didn't expect ridicule.
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If you want to spend your time speculating about the happy/sad mindset of a United player, go ahead.

I laugh because it's pretty transparent wishful thinking on your part.

You're not concerned about the player or how it would affect the team. You'd love him to be feeling down. And classic confirmation bias will lead you to that position fairly easily.

I didn't see the original post, just the last couple of pages, but the United fan's concerns are equally hairy-fairy and baseless. But it's not wishful thinking on his part, it's the opposite - unwarranted pessimism.
 
Kraftwerker said:
If you want to spend your time speculating about the happy/sad mindset of a United player, go ahead.

I laugh because it's pretty transparent wishful thinking on your part.

You're not concerned about the player or how it would affect the team. You'd love him to be feeling down. And classic confirmation bias will lead you to that position fairly easily.

I didn't see the original post, just the last couple of pages, but the United fan's concerns are equally hairy-fairy and baseless. But it's not wishful thinking on his part, it's the opposite - unwarranted pessimism.
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Well thats up to you if you believe I was being transparent.

No im not concerned in the sense that im worried about the affect it has on United obviously, but yes I am concerned as far as a debate goes, therefore I'm not letting bias interfere with the points I was making.
 
Brwned said:
We used to have opposition fans that were clever and subtle and witty when on a wind-up. What happened there?
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I don't think there are any wind ups going on here.

No-one is trying to say that Van Persie is in decline, destined to become a middle rate striker.

What has been pointed out is that there appears to be something wrong. The debate is really about if that change in him is slight or something more significant.

One can speculate about whether he is unhappy with Ferguson's departure. That's difficult to gauge. What is more likely, in my view, is that he is injured. It's not making a massive different to his goal scoring rate, as shown by the stats, but he is set to miss the Dutch game on Friday, whilst he has appeared in recent weeks to be struggling with the all round side of his game, inviting some level of criticism from posters on this site of all colours.

My suspicion is that he'll take these two weeks off and he'll come back the player you had last season. Obviously I hope he doesn't, but it's the most likely scenario.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Well, his current contract runs until he is 33? Its unlikely he would get a new contract from a club bigger or as big as United at that age anyway so it would make sense.

Didnt he used to have run ins with Moyes during his time at Arsenal or was that just Wenger?

Either way, any top player who comes in to a club to work with SAF and win the top prizes is obviously going to be upset if he leaves after one season and the entire staff rearranged.. However its not certain thats why he isn't performing, its just a possibility.
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There's no telling how good he still may be at 33. He's never relied on pace, so I don't think that will be an issue. He could have a decent lifespan at United if he looks after himself. Whereas he could get a big payday in the MLS or whoever is the newest oil-rich titan in 4 years time, in need of a marquee signing to open the floodgates. He probably knows that.

I can't see him not performing if he's here. His final 'unhappy' season at Arsenal was still his best ever. Perhaps we need him to be a bit angry. Maybe Wilf Zaha can shag his bird or something.
 
KM said:
Aye, we should all let the Chelsea and Arsenal fans speak utter nonsense without replying in a Man United forum.
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Who was talking shit?

Seems some questions were simply asked and the United fans jumped down their throat. The Chav/Goon posters haven't been aggressive or derogatory. The United posters were the ones who had their knickers in a twist.

(Unless I have missed a smartarse post, in which case I apologise)
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Who was talking shit?

Seems some questions were simply asked and the United fans jumped down their throat. The Chav/Goon posters haven't been aggressive or derogatory. The United posters were the ones who had their knickers in a twist.

(Unless I have missed a smartarse post, in which case I apologise)
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Yeah, some fecking retarded questions. 'RVP is upset because SAF is gone' is the type of conclusion a child would come to if his favourite United player wasn't banging in a goal every game.

It's a silly thing to bring up.
 
Shark22 said:
Yeah, some fecking retarded questions. 'RVP is upset because SAF is gone' is the type of conclusion a child would come to if his favourite United player wasn't banging in a goal every game.

It's a silly thing to bring up.
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Firstly is was United fans, including Bwned (apparently) who suggested this first. Secondly no-one said this was the reason, but that it was a possibility. I mean all we have really to go on is what we read, regardless of where it comes from and I had read one peice a year or so ago saying how much RVP really wanted to work under SAF and another more recently saying he wasnt happy with Moyes's style. Whether or not the paper are talking shit is another matter, but taking it at is was what exactly was so 'retarded' with citing it as a possibility. In my opinion saying hes constantly tired is far more outlandish.

As Cesc said I too am I little bemused by how reactionary some have been.
 
I think it's pretty obvious that the bloke is playing injured... I thought it was telling with the way he was moving around the pitch against Sunderland.

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks this?!
 
Speaking while on international duty:

I got an enormous stamp on my toe & I thought it had broken, but scan showed it was not. I played on Sunday but it hasn't got better.
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These last few pages are comical. Depressed, upset that his special relationship with Fergie has been broken, got too many birds on his mind? What a load of shite!
 
Just over an hour into Holland - Hungary. He's scored a hat-trick and become Netherlands all-time leading scorer
 
jeston said:
Just over an hour into Holland - Hungary. He's scored a hat-trick and become Netherlands all-time leading scorer
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awesome especially when you consider Holland has had strikers of the class of Van Basten, Ruud, Bergkamp, Kuyt and Kluivert in the last 25 years
 
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