Nope, just saying he's been in poor form and has missed chances that have been setup for him.
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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Nope, just saying he's been in poor form and has missed chances that have been setup for him.
Combination. Strikers do rely on confidence unless you're Messi, who's a freak.
And i'm saying it's a collective responsibility. We've been very poor in midfield and on the wings. pointing the finger at individuals is churlish.
At the same time the manager has failed to act decisively
Who's fault was the blazed volley today? Not a sitter, but it shouldn't be in row Z either.
Been in poor form for a while now.
Accept what exactly. people like you leap to the defence of hopelessly ineffective players and a manager who has not been decisive enough yet are happy to jump on yet another bandwagon and criticise RVP.That is mystifying indeed!
Well yes but who in our team, Carrick apart has been in 'good form'?
It's not collective responsibility if he misses clear cut chances. It's his responsibility. I am not blaming him for our poor form, just saying he is in poor form which seems to have upset the fanboys
I think the reaction to his recent form is absurd and completely agree with RK's breakdown of the recent games but there you go. He's not been close to his form at the start of the season but I don't think he's played poorly half as much as you lot are suggesting. Poor in both sub appearances v Chelsea, quiet in the games where he was clearly half-fit and in the rest he's played pretty well. He's not played great for a long time, but I think the idea he's been shit since the new year is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all season. I'm just a van Persie apologist, though.
I genuinely think you are.
Bit harsh to criticise RvP, I think, and then completely write off that fitness had nothing to do with him not taking his chances today. I don't know how many people here play or have played competitive 11's, but it sounds like what you would hear from those who don't play.
He probably wasn't 100% fit. I'm purely speculating, but I reckon he wasn't even 60% fit, or he would have probably started. Not being in a good condition physically effects your sharpness on the pitch, everything from movement to shaping yourself to strike the ball. When your muscles are feeling stiff and heavy from a game only 48 hours ago, that can damage your performance, from wonky passes to skewed shots. He's one of the best in the world, and he gets paid good wedge to do what he does, but he's still human, guys. The two headers were speculative half chances. He's not done well with the volley, but give the guy a break. He's the reason the league title is just about wrapped up in all fairness, and alot has been asked of him to play in both games, and wouldn't have happened if Rooney was fit.
Look how poor every player looked for the first 15 or 20 minutes of the game. Everyone looked so unprepared, knackered, nobody could pass the ball to a team mate. It was so disjointed. The players warmed into the game, so coming off the bench after only playing 48 hours ago was a tough ask of any player. I really didn't expect him to be able to make an impact.
He probably wasn't 100% fit. I'm purely speculating, but I reckon he wasn't even 60% fit, or he would have probably started. Not being in a good condition physically effects your sharpness on the pitch, everything from movement to shaping yourself to strike the ball. When your muscles are feeling stiff and heavy from a game only 48 hours ago, that can damage your performance, from wonky passes to skewed shots. He's one of the best in the world, and he gets paid good wedge to do what he does, but he's still human, guys. The two headers were speculative half chances. He's not done well with the volley, but give the guy a break. He's the reason the league title is just about wrapped up in all fairness, and alot has been asked of him to play in both games, and wouldn't have happened if Rooney was fit.
Look how poor every player looked for the first 15 or 20 minutes of the game. Everyone looked so unprepared, knackered, nobody could pass the ball to a team mate. It was so disjointed. The players warmed into the game, so coming off the bench after only playing 48 hours ago was a tough ask of any player. I really didn't expect him to be able to make an impact.
Did he ever go on these sorts of non goal scoring runs at Arsenal?
We knew about potential injuries, but I never knew he had a tendency to miss easy chances or suffer from such long barren spells without a goal.
We knew about potential injuries, but I never knew he had a tendency to miss easy chances or suffer from such long barren spells without a goal.
Did I say he wasn't? If you bother to read the recent posts you'll see that I'm saying that recently we have not been the sum of our parts.
can you accept that? Or will you still bang on about RVP and his form?
Yeah what an arsehole, looking for the positives in players we're meant to be supporting.
Oh give it a rest, thats not the point in the slightest.
For the last 7/8 years have Arsenal been in so many competitions? It's easier to score when there's not a lot to play for except a champions league place
Arsenal are a great club but the expectation and pressure at Utd is magnified. He's playing for a club who are expected to be winning something otherwise it's perceived as failure. I'm sure for the first time in his PL career he's beginning to understand
Accept that people have different opinions on what constitutes playing well for a striker. You seem to think you're the only one capable of seeing things how they are without biases getting in the way. I've no problem admitting I think van Persie's great and don't feel the need to criticise him when he's not at his best given his earlier season performances. That's not a van Persie thing, that's a "key Manchester United player" thing. Criticising players when they've been one of our best players isn't my idea of fun. It was the same with Valencia last year, Berbatov and Nani in the previous year and countless others beforehand. It's my personal opinion that jumping at the chance to criticise the players who've gotten us to where we are is a bit strange. Our best players will have dips in a season and when they do I'm not that bothered because generally other players step up. When other players don't step up I'm a bit disappointed in the team. I'm not disappointed in the individuals.
Can you accept that in the RvP thread, people are saying RvP is in poor form, when hes in poor form?
People desperately trying blame Young or the team around him are off the mark for me, not much at all to do with the team, it's the player in question that needs to sort it out.
I think this is only his second full season in a long time, at Arsenal with all the injuries he was without matches and often fresh when playing in March/April/May.
Last season he got a holiday from Wenger around the time FA Cup started, this he's not had a rest at all, always been playing or coming off the bench.
Last season he got a holiday from Wenger around the time FA Cup started, this he's not had a rest at all, always been playing or coming off the bench.
That's an interesting, despite his age and experience we often forget that RVP is still fairly new when it comes to competing at his higher than Arsenal.I'm not saying he's an inexperienced noob or anything but just like any other player, he isn't immune from the pressure.
I also think there's a lot of extra cover given for players like RVP Kagawa etc because they are the new signings and the last thing you want to do after a season is be talking negatively about your new signings, so people make excuses or in this thread waves of strange stats to try and prove they aren't having a run of poor form.
I don't see why its hard for some to admit a player is going through a period of poor form, hes a striker, you cant judge him on a lot else than goals and assists, regardless of his build up play( unless he was creating a freakishly high amount).
You do it with Rooney, Cleverley, and pretty much every other player.
You can still respect what RVP has done for you for 60% of the season and be upset that the poor form has co-incided with elimination from 2 of the other competitions, its not black and white.
I don't see why its hard for some to admit a player is going through a period of poor form, hes a striker, you cant judge him on a lot else than goals and assists, regardless of his build up play( unless he was creating a freakishly high amount).
You do it with Rooney, Cleverley, and pretty much every other player.
You can still respect what RVP has done for you for 60% of the season and be upset that the poor form has co-incided with elimination from 2 of the other competitions, its not black and white.
Accept that people have different opinions on what constitutes playing well for a striker. You seem to think you're the only one capable of seeing things how they are without biases getting in the way. I've no problem admitting I think van Persie's great and don't feel the need to criticise him when he's not at his best given his earlier season performances. That's not a van Persie thing, that's a "key Manchester United player" thing. Criticising players when they've been one of our best players isn't my idea of fun. It was the same with Valencia last year, Berbatov and Nani in the previous year and countless others beforehand. It's my personal opinion that jumping at the chance to criticise the players who've gotten us to where we are is a bit strange. Our best players will have dips in a season and when they do I'm not that bothered because generally other players step up. When other players don't step up I'm a bit disappointed in the team. I'm not disappointed in the individuals.
And where the feck has that come from?
I don't feel the 'need' to criticise our best players too much either, but I won't come and make silly excuses for him when I can clearly see he is out of form (that is, not playing near his best, not neccessarily completely awful).
You really are a bore Fergus
You really are a shit poster, exemplified perfectly by your posts in this thread.
He saved us from going out in that round but the fact is he should've scored against Madrid in Madrid and should've put one away today. Not scoring in both of those games cost us in the cups - I don't see how it didn't.
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That's your opinion. What you "clearly see" is not what has happened, it's just your opinion on it. I don't conform to that opinion. I don't think he's been in poor form. It's not me failing to admit to myself and others that he's in poor form, it's just my view on things.
I think Young screwed up the ball. That has nothing to do with defending van Persie or criticising Young, I just think he was the one at fault. I don't think Sir Alex should've brought van Persie on today and I thought that at the time. He still should've done better with the chances given to him today and didn't play well but everyone's criticising him already so I just looked at it from the other angle. Sorry that doesn't fit in with how you want people to act.
For what it's worth, it's people like you that force your opinion down other's throat while contributing little to the debate that are making me consider leaving. There's too many people like that now. And I'm not the only one that thinks that (about the caf, not about you).
Well, there are more events that occurred outside these two chances which paved the way for elimination.
He's a striker and he isn't scoring, to some people it doesn't matter how they play because if they aren't scoring then it must mean they're playing bad. See Berba and Welbeck.
There's a difference in a player playing a part in costing us, and a player costing us on his own. Football is a team game, it's just stupid to blame a single player for our cup exits. If De Gea kicks the ball into his own net, well then yeah, you could say that he was solely responsible for our exits.
How am I forcing my opinion on anyone? I genuinely believe that there are some people on here refusing to see RVPs poor form and making excuses for him, perhaps not you because you actually think he is playing good, as strange as that is to me.
On the other point, why don't you leave then? Sick of people moaning about how they don't like it on here anymore and they want to leave because of all the new posters. Don't like it here then don't post anymore, that's what I'd do anyway.
Yes, but they're two incidents which have the biggest impact on a match (bigger than a red card IMO).
Like I said before, I'm not saying he has had a bad season and if it wasn't for him, the title race would be a lot closer. However, he has been in poor form and to say that it hasn't cost us doesn't seem right.
To be fair that's not a terrible accusation, if you're a goalie and letting in silly goals, but providing excellent distribution and presence you would still get criticized wouldn't you?
I think some of you look too much into other aspects on a players play to attempt to justify why someones not in poor form, I dont see how it is logically possible to say RVP, a striker, is not in poor form. It doesn't mean he hasn't hugely helped you win the league or isn't a world class player.
I'm sorry for upsetting your caf experience. I like to give people/things chances because strangely enough my perspective on things changes as time passes by. Perhaps in the mean-time you could try and be more accommodating of other posters in this online community to help make this an enjoyable place to be.
I don't think it's like that. It's like when Rafael's injecting pace and energy into our game with his powerful running and positive play but he lets his winger beat him a few times and get a few chances. His job is influence things at both ends but he's only really doing it at one - he's not doing his job 100% but he's doing part of it so well that I'm happy to let him away with it. I know he'll sort out the other side of his game at some point anyway, and I don't expect him to be at 100% all the time. Our strikers are here to do more than score goals. Welbeck for me has been playing well since January despite not scoring at all (?).
It's not about making "silly excuses". It's more about not feeling the need to stick the boot into players over such trivial occurrences, especially considering the monumental contribution they have made this season. I also don't believe he has played all that poorly, and you can see how much better we are at keeping the ball when he is involved. His hold up play, and his ability to retain possession is better than any other striker in the squad, and probably better than any other player in any position in the squad. He's not scored, officially, for a number of games (though I don't care who it was credited to, RvP was solely responsible for the winning goal on Saturday, carved out of absolutely nothing) he does constantly offer the team an option with the ball, and there's every confidence he will do something with that ball. To me, it's not just about goals and assists. Stats are a bore. RvP is a fantastic footballer and an asset to our side, whether he's scoring or not.
What can Van Persie do to sort it out then?
"Play better" ?
It mystifies me that people will go to great lengths to ensure that a player receives criticism, especially one of the best players in the league. As long as they're putting the effort in and not disrespecting the club, personally I won't choose to seek out the negatives.
I understand supporters getting frustrated, but it's not worth going beyond that.
To be fair, it's not just the goals, though the lack of them is a little damning for someone who plays furthest forward in the team, his all round play isn't as good as it was either. Everything seems a bit more forced and rushed.
Im sure both RVP and SAF would agree that he is a little out of sorts at the moment, and not just because they hold him to extraordinarily high standards, but because he is.
I understand that but at the same time we haven't really lost or tied too many games where we can look at RvP and blame him. We have plenty of players capable of scoring, as long as he contributes positively and we win then it doesn't really matter whether or not RvP is the one scoring them.
Yeah, I'm not trying to stick the boot in as you say, but I do want to call it as I see it. If I didn't think he was getting excuses made for him when there aren't many excuses to be made, then I wlll make that point.
Nope, ok say he scores against Madrid away, all that means is that Mourinho won't sub Ozil for Pepe and then they will continue to press for a goal and with the way we were playing they'd have gotten it. We lost this tie IMO in the first tie, we should have killed it off at OT.
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