Rooney's the better allround player and the player i'd go for first i was starting to make a team. RVP is the better striker though, no doubt.
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RVP is only really a better goalscorer because he plays in the more advanced position. Just look how many Rooney scored last year and 09/10 when he played in basically the same role as RVP back then. His finishing probably isn't quite as good as RVPs, nor does he have the same technique striking a football, but as a goalscorer there's bugger all difference.
I think Rooney is better as an overall player, for sure, and by the time he is 29 he'll be better than RVP is now.
I think Rooney is better as an overall player, for sure, and by the time he is 29 he'll be better than RVP is now.
I can't really remember another signing we've been so insanely in love with after just ten games. Do we really have to go all the way back to the autumn of 1993?
I'd take Rooney over RvP anyday, but damn am I glad we have both. Not only are they both seperately insanely good, but the partnership that they're developing could be what wins us a trophy or two 
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We've got the best player and the best striker in the PL, I can't express how pumped up I am about this season and the ones to come
.We've got the best player and the best striker in the PL, I can't express how pumped up I am about this season and the ones to come
Funny how Rooney is underrated, even on a Man United forum. The guy produces man of the match performances nearly every game, for me he is the complete player. Obviously RVP is the better finisher if that's what you're arguing about, but as vaguely as a Manchester United player, for me, Rooney is quite simply our most important and best player.
Bollocks to this. We have both, and they play different roles.
RVP has been a revelation in our team for sure. But imagine if it'd been the other way around, if Arsenal had taken Rooney off us. feck me, imagine how much difference he would have made to them.
Rooney, people take much of what he does for granted now. RVP is a great, great striker, but Rooney is like having a great striker and a great midfielder bundled into one.
But who gives a flying feck? We've got them both! Let's talk about how they're both better than Suarez.
But who gives a flying feck? We've got them both! Let's talk about how they're both better than Suarez.
agree with that.
last season Rooney had to shoulder more of the burden and we needed him to score more than we do now. RvP is leading the line and ofcourse he's going to be our "main striker". Rooney drops a bit deeper now, but that doesn't mean he's any worse a player than he was last season.
Infact if you ask me his overall performances have been better now, it's just that with the deeper role he doesn't score as many goals, and thus some people automaticaly assume that RvP > Rooney since he scored more goals.
I'm incredibily happy we've got both, and I really don't know why so many people feel the need to downplay Rooney's importance in the team.
Just take a look at how we played without him and how much better our overall performances as a team have been with him in the side.
ummm, we've won 1 league where rooney was the 'main man'.
the other three leagues he was behind ronnie and our center backs.
I think this is half true. When we were playing poorly at the start of the season, Van Persie was able to bail us out of a few matches (most notably Southampton). But we didn't really start playing well until Rooney was back, and for me that's the difference between them.
You're still right though. If we manage to get Kagawa playing like he was for Dortmund, then he and Van Persie can together cover, with the same technical ability as Rooney, all his jobs on the pitch. I still don't think either has that X-factor that makes him such a once-in-a-generation player, but we certainly wouldn't fall apart when we lose him the way we have done in the past.
We've built our side around Rooney. So obviously we would miss something when he's not there. But as you said, we have ample cover now.
Ok fair enough. But I still refute what I take to be the implication of his post, which is that without RVP, Rooney is somehow ineffective. Maybe I'm being too literal minded. Clearly there is every chance he will be more effective alongside a great player like that. Just feels like some people are overshooting. He has been mint for us for years, having support will relieve him, maybe improve him. But Rooney would be great regardless.
Of course the best thing about this signing is how I'm killing everyone on FIFA with RvP up top.
I just use Rooney as a decoy, defenders are drawn to him and then I pick out RvP.
Smash it with venom, goes in 9/10 times.
People get so pissed
I just use Rooney as a decoy, defenders are drawn to him and then I pick out RvP.
Smash it with venom, goes in 9/10 times.
People get so pissed
If anything, the opposite is the case. This thread is not representative of the whole forum. When Cristiano was still with us, you had more than enough users claiming Rooney was a better player, more important for United and the heart of the soul while the rest of the world thought that it wasn't even a comparison because Ronaldo was easily a much better player.
There is a double edge there. The rest of the world doesn't watch our games week in week out. So they can know that Ronaldo was technically the better player, but not be in a position to judge less concrete things like who is more important to the team.
When Ronaldo left, he was both. But if we had him back now and then he left again, I think it would do less harm to us than Rooney leaving. Ronnie's a much better player, but since he left Rooney's influence has tripled. He does all our playmaking, all our tempo-setting, all our 'leading from the front'. Everything goes through him. Whereas even for Real Ronaldo doesn't have that role, he isn't responsible for keeping things ticking or getting the team going.
I hope RVP and Rooney are rested tomorra.
On the bench anyway and only to come on in an emergency.
On the bench anyway and only to come on in an emergency.
Nah, start like a house on fire and bring them off when it's safe. They're not looking tired, and as we've seen again and again, momentum is just as important as rotation. Keep them clicking, keep them scoring.
Pretty much always start them both when fit. No reason why they won't be able to start every game bar a few cup games. Take them off as a sub instead to rest them if needed.
As far as the Rooney/RVP comparison goes, it's pretty concerning and perhaps telling how shite we were without Rooney for most of the start of this season. By the same token, it's mightily impressive how Van Persie dragged us through that period when pretty much everyone else barring Rafael was off form or a bit up and down. Going by how we managed without Van Persie last year though as opposed to how much we missed Rooney this year, I'd say that even with the Kagawa signing Rooney is the one I'd rather have. That's not to say that all problems at the start of the season could be put down to not having Rooney playing, but nevertheless we came ridiculously close with only having him out of the two last year and, aside from talk of attributes and any other conjecture, that's all we really have to go off when considering which one is more integral.
I'm still shocked and ashamed at how quickly I was willing Kagawa to take his place in that position with Rooney shifting out wide instead. Granted that there was a definite logic to it in that Rooney has had a tendency in recent times to look out wide too often and stunt play through the centre (not so much this season), his influence on our play in midfield areas when dropping deep is immensely important. Even with him at the moment there is sometimes too much space between attack and midfield, but without him there is a great void.
I'm still shocked and ashamed at how quickly I was willing Kagawa to take his place in that position with Rooney shifting out wide instead. Granted that there was a definite logic to it in that Rooney has had a tendency in recent times to look out wide too often and stunt play through the centre (not so much this season), his influence on our play in midfield areas when dropping deep is immensely important. Even with him at the moment there is sometimes too much space between attack and midfield, but without him there is a great void.
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Rooney must be at Messi's level in that case.
With regards to Rooney being underrated I'd argue the opposite. In fact it's not just Rooney, but fans of every club tend to usually overrate their own players (barring some exceptions). Particularly their star players.
With regards to Rooney being underrated I'd argue the opposite. In fact it's not just Rooney, but fans of every club tend to usually overrate their own players (barring some exceptions). Particularly their star players.
Again amol I don't see any other team scrutinize their star player as much as we do Rooney. Here in the caf, his mistakes are scrutinized way more than actually giving the lad credit. It wasn't like that before the incident mind. I guess it's just the way some people see him nowadays when he commits an error - "Ah fecking wayne, yer paid 250k a week ffs! Pull yourselves together! " , " First touch of a pub player" ..etc. There is a reason why he's paid what he's paid or why Sir Alex rates him so highly to start him whenever possible. When Rooney got injured, a lot of people thought we would do just fine as we have Kagawa - The lad who never gives the ball away. But when Rooney returned we looked a different side altogether. He knows United's playing style so well and can instill that mentality and that aesthetic into our game when it lacks. He is our most important player and rival clubs/fans would absolutely love to have a player of his ability in their team. Some posters are just plain spoilt I guess ?
And stop with the Messi comparisons amol. Its fecking annoying. This season, whenever Rooney has played since injury his name has been on most of the top 3 Motm in the caf. Doesn't mean he is messi's level. I've seen you do this like several times. Compare Rooney to Messi to make some kind of a point. Jonno did not call Rooney the best player in the world. Rooney is a great player for us but no where near Messi's class. Everyone here knows and acknowledges that. While I enjoy your posts elsewhere and agree with most of what you have to say your standpoint regarding Wayne is purely emotional from your side mate. You do have something against him. Nothing wrong with that mind. But hope that doesn't reflect on your analysis of his ability and his contribution during majority of the last decade for our club.
And stop with the Messi comparisons amol. Its fecking annoying. This season, whenever Rooney has played since injury his name has been on most of the top 3 Motm in the caf. Doesn't mean he is messi's level. I've seen you do this like several times. Compare Rooney to Messi to make some kind of a point. Jonno did not call Rooney the best player in the world. Rooney is a great player for us but no where near Messi's class. Everyone here knows and acknowledges that. While I enjoy your posts elsewhere and agree with most of what you have to say your standpoint regarding Wayne is purely emotional from your side mate. You do have something against him. Nothing wrong with that mind. But hope that doesn't reflect on your analysis of his ability and his contribution during majority of the last decade for our club.
Except here on the Caf, where this desperate desire to be seen as objective and reasonable means that more people underrate our players than overrate them.
It's not a ridiculous statement to say that when on form Rooney gives man of the match performances most of the time. He doesn't actually get the award or the recognition, because United fans and the English media are so used to seeing him be the crux of all our football every time he steps out onto the pitch. But if for each match you brought in someone who'd never heard of him and hadn't watched United since he came to us, Rooney would be winning a massive proportion of the MotM awards.
Again amol I don't see any other team scrutinize their star player as much as we do Rooney. Here in the caf, his mistakes are scrutinized way more than actually giving the lad credit. It wasn't like that before the incident mind. I guess it's just the way some people see him nowadays when he commits an error - "Ah fecking wayne, yer paid 250k a week ffs! Pull yourselves together! " , " First touch of a pub player" ..etc. There is a reason why he's paid what he's paid or why Sir Alex rates him so highly to start him whenever possible. When Rooney got injured, a lot of people thought we would do just fine as we have Kagawa - The lad who never gives the ball away. But when Rooney returned we looked a different side altogether. He knows United's playing style so well and can instill that mentality and that aesthetic into our game when it lacks. He is our most important player and rival clubs/fans would absolutely love to have a player of his ability in their team. Some posters are just plain spoilt I guess ?
And stop with the Messi comparisons amol. Its fecking annoying. This season, whenever Rooney has played since injury his name has been on most of the top 3 Motm in the caf. Doesn't mean he is messi's level. I've seen you do this like several times. Compare Rooney to Messi to make some kind of a point. Jonno did not call Rooney the best player in the world. Rooney is a great player for us but no where near Messi's class. Everyone here knows and acknowledges that. While I enjoy your posts elsewhere and agree with most of what you have to say your standpoint regarding Wayne is purely emotional from your side mate. You do have something against him. Nothing wrong with that mind. But hope that doesn't reflect on your analysis of his ability and his contribution during majority of the last decade for our club.
I'm sorry but saying he puts in MOTM performances nearly every week is nothing but utter rubbish. Unless the people naming him MOTM are huge fans of his.
My guess is that the only people who do that are Messi and Ronaldo. It's not me who likes comparing him to them because I acknowledge they're in a different league, but people say such utterly stupid things about him here that makes you wonder which footballer they're looking at.
As for overrating/underrating, doesn't Nani get the same stick for tiny, little things as Rooney? A misplaced pass and a slew of "lacks a football brain" comments. Maybe some are still affected by the contract stuff but I think the number is too low to really affect opinion of him.
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That's really nice to see actually. Forgetting the Tevez bit, it does show the measure of the man that he can leave a club like that to a club like ours and be dignified about it at the same time.
Why do you feel the need to put Rooney down to prove a point?
I've seen you do it countless times.
No one's saying he's as good as Messi and no one mentioned Nani either.
I get it, you don't like him. Doesn't mean he's any less of a player because of it.
Let's bash Rooney some more...so far he has courted criticism in threads about Robin, Nani and Anderson.
RVP is class. Him and Wayne are playing so very well together.
RVP is class. Him and Wayne are playing so very well together.
Am I putting Rooney down or is someone else doing the opposite to ridiculous proportion?. I know you're a big fan of his but if you think about it, it's pretty obvious despite your "he said something bad about Rooney" sensors blinking red.
I'm a fan of his, never denied it. And it might be as obvious as the fact that you dislike him for all I know. And yes, you do have a tendency to put Rooney down.
I don't "attack" anyone that puts it like it is, like him or dislike him some people are still capable to give a fair assesment, you on the other hand, with all due respect underrate Rooney, no mather how you try to spin things.
I can't comment on how you look at other players since I haven't exactly been in a discussion with you about them, but I've read more than enough posts of yours regarding Rooney to know where you stand on this and it's pointless to try and change it.
And please...."ridiculous proportion"? By saying he's our best player, but not our best striker? Ok than.
Doesn't need to be RvP vs Rooney, they both play for us now so just enjoy it
Does Rooney put in MOTM performances nearly every week? Yes or no?
Doesn't need to be RvP vs Rooney, they both play for us now so just enjoy it
I'm enjoying it, believe me.
I even mentioned it a couple posts ago, useless to turn it into RvP vs Rooney, but since it was brought up I thought I might as well give my opinion.
First of all, I wasn't the one who said that.
Second, he hasn't put in a MOTM performance against Arsenal although he played a big part in keeping their midfielders at bay, but anyone with half a brain can notice how much Rooney improves our play.
Since he came back he has been in the top 3 players of the game pretty much every single game bar 1 or maybe 2 of them.
Not only that, but he makes other players around him better, he may not be scoring goals for fun at the moment, but he keeps us ticking and is without a doubt our most important player.
It's true RvP saved us a couple of times already with his goals, and I'm grateful as feck for that, but we only started playing well when Rooney came back.
Now I'm not saying we live or die solely by the way Rooney plays, but he is very, very important.
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