Exactly, let's hope LVG thinks the same way.
Roberto Firmino
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Exactly, let's hope LVG thinks the same way.
He was last quoted saying he doesn't like false 9's just before the worldcup though. With not alot of top-strikers being available he might not go for his ultimate striker, but buying a player he who plays a role specifically how he doesn't like it? I don't think that'll happen.
LVG does have a liking for versatile players though, and Firmino is one.
You say that but except Barcelona who plays with an 'evolved' striker?
When I look at the CL semi finals, Lewandowski, Morata, Benzema, Hernandez, Suarez, Tevez, none of them are a new breed of striker.
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While that is true, he's multifuntional for 10 and out wide, those are positions we aren't lacking depth. Add the fact he's not really suited as a striker and I find this rumour very questionable, he isn't really what we need.
Well you'd hope that we want to improve on our attacking options which were a bit rubbish last season.
Firmino works hard and isn't afraid to scrap with defenders. I think LvG would appreciate that.
Exactly, I don't buy into the nonsense that we have too much depth or whatever in those positions. Last season they was nowhere near good enough at creating/scoring and we should be looking to upgrade and improve all the time.
Maybe he'll see that it's better to have a #9 that can do a bit of everything than an overpriced lump who plays on rails between the 2 CB's. Do you feel he'd prefer someone like Manduzik, Bacca or Benteke to a fast, tenacious and skillful forward?
I certainly don't see Suarez and Tevez as standard #9's in the Shearer or RvP mold. What I meant was that many players in that forward role now do a lot on the ball, they don't spend most of the game not involved and then pop up in the box like they used to.
They are not in the same mold, but they are not new, players like Bobby Charlton, Papin, Del Piero, Cantona, Wiltord played upfront and weren't in the RVP, Shearer mold.
I'm not sure I've seen him play much, but if he's a fast and dynamic striker then I'm all for it.
Someone similar in style to Suarez with his work rate, energy, ability to beat a man, and run the channels is what we need going forward.
Someone similar in style to Suarez with his work rate, energy, ability to beat a man, and run the channels is what we need going forward.
I've been in the States on holidays so I'm a little out of the loop with a lot of stuff...been reading on here a bit about RVP leaving, has anyone heard anything concrete about that or is it just speculation?
From what I've heard of Firmino he looks a good player, I definitely think we need a bit of mobility up front. You think of Hernandez' limitations as a forward, and how static our forwards were last season, and there doesn't look like there'd be either of those problems with this lad. I'm all for a forward who can create too-remember Yorke in 98/99?
From what I've heard of Firmino he looks a good player, I definitely think we need a bit of mobility up front. You think of Hernandez' limitations as a forward, and how static our forwards were last season, and there doesn't look like there'd be either of those problems with this lad. I'm all for a forward who can create too-remember Yorke in 98/99?
So Brazil have gone back to Fred again for tonight's game 
The difference is the players you listed played off the main #9, not as the main #9. My point is the role of the #9 has changed a lot.
So Brazil have gone back to Fred again for tonight's game
This is Shakhtar's Fred. He's sort of a really athletic Gareth Barry.
And Firmino plays off the main striker not as the main striker and that's the problem. Even today rare are the teams who don't play with a 'classic' striker.
Not for Brazil, he's started as a false 9 for them and done well in the role.
Why's that a problem? We've got Fellaini operating in that area of the pitch as it stands.
Oh ok thanks.
Fellaini will be the main striker then and Firmino will play around him, he won't be the main striker.
If I'm not mistaken he started one game upfront.
I haven't see him play a single game. Don't care if we sign him or not, could be the next Bebe for all I know.
Firmino scored 7 and assisted 10 in the league last season and scored 16 and assisted 12 in the season before that in the Bundesliga. I don't think Bebe ever achieved something compareable.
quality!That isn't massively impressive for a 23 year old, imo.
Stats from 13/14 are pretty impressive if you consider the assists though -- 22 scored, 16 assisted in 37 games.
Groundhog day
And you're one of the myriad Firmino experts who suddenly began to exist as soon as we were linked with him, right?
Nope, have actually seen him play for the last couple of seasons, since I'm watching the Bundesliga regularly.
Well if you're a regular watcher of the German League, then fair enough.
For what it's worth you should be excited, if we do sign him. Hard to imagine that he would fail, wherever he goes from Hoffenheim. He's been quality for more than 3 seasons in a mid-table Hoffenheim team.
Our track record with Brazilian players hasn't been great (Kleberson, Anderson -- even Rafael to an extent as his injury record has been terrible). Hopefully you're right and this guy is the real deal (if we sign him).
100% this
Anyone would take him for 13m, but only because we can ell him on for 2x as much. I don't think we should be signing square pegs
It's looking more likely van Persie is off so we'll need a striker, buying a multifunctional Firmino who can only 'do a job' there wouldn't solve much imo. I'd rather get a non-multifunctional striker who fits the profile, I haven't seen much of Firmino myself but if he does fit the profile of a striker somehow I'd be fine with him. Just everything I've read about him suggests otherwise though and therefore this rumour looks like bollocks to me.
I usually agree however there are times when a deal is too good to let go. Firmino at 13m is one of those deals. Id say lets get him and change formation to 4-2-3-1. Mata and Firmino can play in the link man role, with Depay on the left and Di Maria on the right. Fellaini, Blind, Carrick, Schneiderlin and Herrera could cover the deeper midfielder roles.
You're assuming that bringing him in means we won't sign a striker. By all accounts this guy isn't even a striker. He's a hard working attacker who can play everywhere. Whose to say that he won't become first choice ahead of fellaini or mata?
Would he not take Fellani's position in the 4-3-3 system?
If Firmino is an English player everyone would be talking about how he is the second coming of Christ. Heck, even someone like Sterling is praised to the high heavens and is worth 50m pounds.
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