Probably the fact that it's a better prospect to join a championship team rather than a team who's come second 2 years in a row (if city had won it this year)
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Probably the fact that it's a better prospect to join a championship team rather than a team who's come second 2 years in a row (if city had won it this year)
It is a bit ridiculous how it seems like Sir Alex doesn't feel they're very important, or feels it isn't that difficult of a position. Evidence of that is how he continuously tries to put players out of position there to partner Carrick. Him saying "By big signing, you mean forwards" is also pretty funny too. Does he not realize that a midfielder can be a big signing?
Yes, lets get angry about something that hasn't even happened yet
"By big signings, you mean forwards" simply means a Marquee player. He's right too. Traditionally defensive minded players are never marquee signings.
We don't exactly need a defensive minded player though, all we need is a good midfielder. Would Gundogan not be a big signing, or Moutinho, or Modric? Yet they would all be great for us.
Gundogen would be an important signing, yes, but hardly marquee. I don't think Moutinho would be either and as Modric would have a big say in our attack I think he'd go down as a Marquee signing.
He's talking about big signings in the classic term. Van Persie was, Rooney was, I'd say Nani was too. Could you say the same for Carrick? He was a bloody important signing too. The likes of Gundogan would be in the same category.
That's correct. There isn't much to see here.
Each to their own I guess, I'd see Gundogan as a huge signing for us if we ever got him (not that I think we will) because he is a fantastic player, just like I'd view signing a big name defender like Hummels as a big signing. I just feel like Sir Alex views forwards as the most important part of the pitch. That or he just likes being them. Might have something to do with him being a striker in his playing days.
It's happened every summer for the past 5 years.
You mean like when we broke the British transfer record for
Robson
Keane
Veron
They were all "Marquee" signings imo, and not a forward amongst them.
But not this summer. You know, the one that hasn't happened yet. Why people want to invent things to get upset about I don't know, but it's better to just chill out and see what happens.
Unnamed quotes and it's the Daily Star. Make of it what you will.
If Gundogan is a defensive minded player, quite clearly some on here haven't seen enough of him. He has so much flair on the ball, more so than Wilshere... Wilshere carries the ball better and likes gliding past players/arguably more penetrative, but Gundogan is more of a showman, but he can also do the ugly things right too.
Sadly, we'll probably sign Lewandowski. He's a great player and he apparently is desperate to come here.
It's not sad because he's a bad player or vile. I quite like him too but if he comes that surely has to spell the end of one of our strikers. So, one will leave, or Rooney will become a permanent midfielder or SAF has decided that playing RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Lewandowski, Welbeck/Chicharito will take us forward. Forgetting midfielders entirely.
It's not sad because he's a bad player or vile. I quite like him too but if he comes that surely has to spell the end of one of our strikers. So, one will leave, or Rooney will become a permanent midfielder or SAF has decided that playing RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Lewandowski, Welbeck/Chicharito will take us forward. Forgetting midfielders entirely.
Not sure if this is the right thread for it, because most of the discussion was in the Götze thread.
But just in case it's true that Lewandowski goes to United. Then Real bought Sahin, United Kagawa and Lewandowski, Barca probably Hummels and Bayern Götze. Why are Bayern the bad guys responsible for destroying the club or the league? Should Bayern watch while some of the best talents in the world go to other european top clubs and play in other leagues? How is that helping Dortmund or the league?
I get why Dortmund fans are angry if a player goes to a domestic rival. But when United buys the best player of that team for two consecutive seasons they are just as much to blame for ruining the club as Bayern. The tragic is that Dortmund can't keep them, not who buys them.
He probably leaves for Bayern now and I look like an idiot, but it's such a hypocritical way of looking at transfers, because Bayern want to be a top 5 club in europe, so they have to compete with Barca, Real, United, City, Chelsea, Juve for transfers right now and simply can't look past a team with so many promising players.
But just in case it's true that Lewandowski goes to United. Then Real bought Sahin, United Kagawa and Lewandowski, Barca probably Hummels and Bayern Götze. Why are Bayern the bad guys responsible for destroying the club or the league? Should Bayern watch while some of the best talents in the world go to other european top clubs and play in other leagues? How is that helping Dortmund or the league?
I get why Dortmund fans are angry if a player goes to a domestic rival. But when United buys the best player of that team for two consecutive seasons they are just as much to blame for ruining the club as Bayern. The tragic is that Dortmund can't keep them, not who buys them.
He probably leaves for Bayern now and I look like an idiot, but it's such a hypocritical way of looking at transfers, because Bayern want to be a top 5 club in europe, so they have to compete with Barca, Real, United, City, Chelsea, Juve for transfers right now and simply can't look past a team with so many promising players.
Kagawa and Lewandowski wanted to leave. Kagawa dreamed of the PL and Lewandowski dreams of Old Trafford according to rumours. They were/are always going to leave Dortmund. Dortmund fans are of course going to rightfully be less annoyed about players leaving the country than their biggest rival poaching their best player.
Goetze leaving for Bayern is an absolute betrayal. When our players leave for Madrid I accept it, but if they leave for City or Chelsea they are betraying the club. It is totally different. Dortmund fans aren't going to be happy their best players keep leaving but they will be furious when they go to Bayern.
Edit: No one is saying Bayern should ignore Dortmund's talented players. They have every right to sign players they think will improve their team but they are still poaching their biggest rivals best player.
The blame doesnt lie with any team in my opinion. If Bayern, United or whoever takes Dortmund players, you cant blame them. All teams want players that will enhance their team, there is nothing wrong with wanting to make a strong team stronger.
On the other hand, you can't blame Dortmund. They are not in the financial echelons as the Munichs and the Madrids of this world, they have to look at at transfers in a cost effective way. Also, if a players wants to leave, I personally feel it's better selling them and trying to replace with someone who wants to join.
Dortmund replaced Kagawa well with the signing of Reus and I'm sure they will do the same with Gotze and possibly Lewandowski.
Has anyone on here blamed Bayern for ruining Dortmund???
I'm not talking about how the fans feel. Like I said, I get that they are angry and I think it was amazing how they treated him at the CL game. I get if people call Götze a cnut for going to Bayern. I don't really like it myself - though of course I'm glad we signed such a great player - but the way it happened sucks and really takes a lot of joy out of the CL final if both german teams go through. I would have loved if Dortmund kept the team together and became a long term rival for Bayern.
But we don't know if it was a decision between staying or going to Bayern. He could have left anyway, all the top clubs were interested and I highly doubt that Bayern were the only one offering him huge wages. The football club Dortmund would be in the exact same situation if he left for Barca and Bayern signed let's say Neymar instead. And they are facing the problem of replacing their best players because United, Real and Barca want to sign the players just as much as Bayern.
Yes, there were lots of posts about Bayern deliberately weakening the league, buying players not to strengthen their own team but to keep the opposition away. I'm not saying everyone on the caf wrote it though, of course not. Feel free to say that post is stupid, I'm actually glad if the majority on here agrees with me and I look like an idiot for mentioning it.
Not sure what to make of all this interest, in terms of how solid it is..
To be fair it is probably something they considered. If there was a Goetze clone playing for a team outside of Germany they would still chase the Dortmund Goetze. If you could get a great young player and weaken your nearest rival why wouldn't you?
Any team would do the same in Bayern's situation. You buy the best players you can for the money available and no regard is given by any team as to what team they come from. Bayern are just in the fortunate* position of being able to cherry pick essentially any Bundesliga player (or any player who wants to play in Germany) because they are the only team that can even close to pay top rate salaries.
If Abramovich and Mansour didn't exist do you think RVP would suddenly not want to join an even more successful United? Of course he would. The only difference would be that we'd have the additional benefit of weakening our closest rivals, rather than someone who isn't competing with us.
*fortunate for them, unfortunate for the league as a whole.
Another tabloid story with no substance to back up its headline.
Even if that source has any credit to it whatsoever, it doesn't give anyone other than a gutter hack licence to write 'Lewandowski wants dream move to Manchester United'.
Well, if they signed someone like Schmelzer I might agree and even then you could argue that a core of german players has a huge advantage for Bayern compared to bringing in players with different mentality, language. Götze is a different story though. He's the greatest german talent in decades and arguably the greatest talent under 21 out there at the moment.
I agree with all of that. Probably I got a wrong impression the last days when lots of angry posts about the Götze transfer seemed rather harsh towards Bayern.
It's probably because as neutrals we'd like to see the Bundesliga staying as competitive as possible for as long as possible. Obviously this won't happen if a transfer such as with Gotze happens every year. Not that Bayern should have any concern for the neutral of course.
And the plot thickens:
Bayern Munich deny reports of deal to sign Robert Lewandowski
• Club issue statement to say 'no contract' for player exists
• Speculation has increased after Dortmund's win over Madrid
Very different handling to Götze's transfer
Bayern Munich deny reports of deal to sign Robert Lewandowski
• Club issue statement to say 'no contract' for player exists
• Speculation has increased after Dortmund's win over Madrid
Very different handling to Götze's transfer
I'd bet a huge amount of money that Klopp will win one league title with Dortmund vs Guardiola, if they keep Hummels and Gündogan this season. I really hope Lewandowski stays one more year, so the club shows other players that they want to win titles, not just look at the money. I think the reputation the club earns with keeping Lewandowski is worth more than 20million. Klopp is such a great character, he alone should attract great young players. It's kinda weird rooting for your rival to do great business and develop further but I would hate it, if we destroyed the league next season the same way we did it this season. It's fun once, next year I want an exciting finish to the league and of course it's important for the long term development of the league. Though if we loose the CL final to Dortmund I probably change my mind and wish Dortmund gets relegated xD.
Hmm that's interesting then, id be amazed if they wasn't interested in him though.
That's interesting his agents proclaim he has signed a contract already and the club he signed for is willing to pay the money Dortmund wants, between 25-30m €.
That means if it's really not Bayern he has signed a contract for than it might actually be us.
Well that's of course only if no one else apart from Bayern and us showed an interest in the player.
That means if it's really not Bayern he has signed a contract for than it might actually be us.
Well that's of course only if no one else apart from Bayern and us showed an interest in the player.
They can't reach a contract with a player officially under FIFA rules, unless Dortmund gives permission so that statement is expected either way.
Well that's another possibility that Bayern doesn't want to get into trouble and are therefor denying it, Lewandwoskis agents really aren't the smartest, are they?
I think you could replace the word Lewandowski's with Everyone's to be fair..
Agents aren't renowned for their moral code and intelligence anyway
Agents aren't renowned for their moral code and intelligence anyway
I think you could replace the word Lewandowski's with Everyone's to be fair..
Agents aren't renowned for their moral code and intelligence anyway
Well, Lewandowski's agent is a different kind of idiot, really, even for his kind. I've never heard so many truely idiotic comments by an agent ever before. He's in tv shows every week and talking about Lewandowski's future.
You do have to wonder though, if this is all coming off his own back and Lewi was displeased, surely he would just let the guy go? The fact he is still his agent speaks volume about the person Robert is IMO... obviously I can only speculate, but put yourself in that position, if I had an agent that made me look stupid, undermined me etc then I would let him go? I believe he secretly likes all the publicity he is creating... I just think they need to have more respect for the club they play for...
How good is Lewandowski? Compared to RvP, Falcao, Zlatan, Aguero and such?
He's like them all mixed together, only better.
That's as long as he comes here, of course.
That's as long as he comes here, of course.
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