radd
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seriously, you'd never find TEN Barca players doing the same thing at the same time - five at most
I hope you got my point and you are just being picky on silly specifics. <hr></blockquote>
just a joke, man - but a fairly accurate one i think - if you want to me to make my point clearer - Barca, the last few seasons, have been a team in shambles, very rarely do they seem to play as a unit, and more often than not, it is the individual brilliance of one of their superstars, like Rivaldo, that gets them out of jail - holding him responsible for this is bizarre
he shoots from anywhere in the half, i've seen him score a few from counter-attacks, so yer point - let's say fifty percent of the time - still, of the other fifty, maybe 50-80% end up in the back of the net, that's 25-40% (who knows - is there an OPTA on this) - pretty good rate for me...
I didn't understand your calculations and the chucking around of percentages. <hr></blockquote>
ya were making a point about how he might mess things up for a team - example on a counter-attack - i'm just saying there's many different ways a player like Rivaldo approaches a given situation - sometimes, i agree, he may "piss around", other times he may shoot and score from
outside the box... the calculations - if ya noticed, i said - who knows? - if ya do the percentages on these things they might actually work out higher than for most players... in your example, you give the impression that Rivaldo does what Rivaldo does, he's on a different planet from the rest of the team - i think that's bullcrap - ya take a few times he might not seem in sync with a team - happens to every player - and ignore all the good work he puts in
30 goals a season + what was it last season - 18 or so, playing very few games (someone, Weasty, if you have the stats on this, please oblige)
I never said he didn't score. In fact, I admitted he had a good personal record but the whole point was that his personal record did not necessarily contribute to the team's league performance. <hr></blockquote>
that's why it's called a TEAM - only so much an individual can do - put it simply - what wins football games - goals, and when Rivaldo scores, it doesn't hurt Barca's chances of winning something - if there isn't enough support, if the defence sucks - Ruud got 36 last season, what did we win?
not Ruud's fault - he did all he could to help us win (incidentally how many championships has Ruud won for his clubs in his career?)
all this stuff about him playing for himself, blah blah blah - i dunno where ya get it, but to me he doesn't seem like a guy who likes losing very much - he plays to win, of course all players have bad days in the office - just because he deals with them differently, maybe more in private than other players, you start levelling accusations that he doesn't care - that's why a guy who doesn't care and at a club where he's pretty unpopular, comes out to play a season on painkillers, nearly jeopardising his chances of playing in the WC.... he's a professional - give him a break!
whether he might disrupt our midfield, pre-judging doesn't make sense to me
It does to me. We are assessing a player and I am not alone in believing that would be the potential problem/reason not to sign him. 'The option to prejudging is signing and then checking once you might already have the problem and you're stuck with it (as Van Gaal is, to the point he wants to offload him for free!). <hr></blockquote>
that's my point - i'm not sure you are indeed assessing him - you've got your mind made up and not by football reasons alone, but things like public image - all the stuff, once again about him doing his own thing at Barca,
as i said before, we must be watching a different player - i see a guy who does so many things to bring his team-mates into play, sets up so much, works with them (esp. players like Kluivert, Enrique and now Saviola)
that's why, at Utd., when ya look at the number of players he can combine with...
trust AF (and Carlos!) to get the best outta him - if he can get Seba to play on the right, in the hole, let him handle Rivaldo...
I trust SAF to be a good man manager, as mentioned before. However, I don't see why we should just keep leaving all the handfuls to him. Make his life easier FFS! Look at last year, his powers didn't seem to do much good in bringing the best out of the squad! There's only THAT much you can ask SAF to do, the rest is down to the players and if all of them are a handful the best he can do is control the situation but hardly go beyond that. <hr></blockquote>
the only way to make his life easier is retirement... if he's out there working, this is what he loves doing - the opportunity to work with someone of the stature of Rivaldo is not something AF wants to give away... the board can and has been providing him with more assistance in taking care of administrative matters - let him keep the football - a 'problem' like Rivaldo (?) is the kind of problem every manager kills to have...
The Cantona precedent has nothing to do with Rivaldo. Different characteristics and a different team (how many established World Class stars were there in that team? how much room for ego-trips?) <hr></blockquote>
how and where do you get these ego-trips that you're surewilldisrupt a team's performance - is it from some comment a team-mate of his made at some time, that is do you know about incidents where he actually had ego-clashes with people who do not go by the names of Joan Gaspart or Louis van Gaal or work for the Brazilian Football Fed. ....
