Leave Eric out of this. He´s the king and has done far too much for us.
Do me a favour Raoul, how can you equate time wasting (which isn't cheating actually) and whatever else you mentioned with what Rivaldo did twice at the world cup? Remember what he said afterwards justifying his actions. The guy is on another level where cheating is concerned.
If Rivaldo was playing for us and getting away with cheating the problem exactly is ?
Like Beckham's constant rolling around is begining to.
I was quick to "defend" Rivaldo when people were just going on and on about him having to be banned and all sorts of bollocks. He did wrong, lots of others do, period.
He bragged about it, which makes him a prick.
I am not concerned about one or two cheating incidents, see that everywhere and won't crucify one player for it.
BUT
His bragging about it shows a lot of traits we could already observe and confirmed. First, he thinks he is bigger than anything else, not club but country and FIFA and football itself. He is a self-centered prick which makes him unsuitable for United.
Worse, troughout France 98 and KJ 02, he kept going on about how it was not his responsibility to keep assisting Ronaldo and how he also wanted to score himself. You could clearly see up until the final he kept trying the one-man approach on his personal mission to get the Golden Boot.
I won't have that in our team, that's pretty much it.
He bragged about it, which makes him a prick.
I am not concerned about one or two cheating incidents, see that everywhere and won't crucify one player for it.
BUT
His bragging about it shows a lot of traits we could already observe and confirmed. First, he thinks he is bigger than anything else, not club but country and FIFA and football itself. He is a self-centered prick which makes him unsuitable for United.
Worse, troughout France 98 and KJ 02, he kept going on about how it was not his responsibility to keep assisting Ronaldo and how he also wanted to score himself. You could clearly see up until the final he kept trying the one-man approach on his personal mission to get the Golden Boot.
I won't have that in our team, that's pretty much it.
i hope real sign him
Rivaldo? Free?
Just sign him on a 2 year deal for 5mill. a season = 10mill. That's nothing for a club like us. If he is problem, sell him on. If he's a world beater, then "we win every f_cking cup on the planet!!!" I don't think anyone argue of his ability. He's right up there with Zidane and Figo.
Just sign him on a 2 year deal for 5mill. a season = 10mill. That's nothing for a club like us. If he is problem, sell him on. If he's a world beater, then "we win every f_cking cup on the planet!!!" I don't think anyone argue of his ability. He's right up there with Zidane and Figo.
Personally I don't give a feck about Rivaldo doing that feigned injury - no one mentioned that the Turks did it during the whole game, its just that Rivaldo couldn't act as well. He was right when he said its part of the game, and I think people are taking out their anger at that fact on him because he became a representative of it. Fact is though that he's no different to most other players in that respect.
Clearly he's one of the best players of recent years, able to win a game on his own in the same way Zidane and Cantona could. Yet the question marks over his work ethic and ego remain, and the work ethic is so central to our team, and the selflessness, that I would have big worries about the effect on the club if he were to come. Besides, he wouldn't fit into our wage structure, we're not going to raise Keano's pay again (he has a clause that says he has to earn more than the other players its alleged), so he'd have to take a massive pay cut to join us.
Clearly he's one of the best players of recent years, able to win a game on his own in the same way Zidane and Cantona could. Yet the question marks over his work ethic and ego remain, and the work ethic is so central to our team, and the selflessness, that I would have big worries about the effect on the club if he were to come. Besides, he wouldn't fit into our wage structure, we're not going to raise Keano's pay again (he has a clause that says he has to earn more than the other players its alleged), so he'd have to take a massive pay cut to join us.
wellfergie rates him higher than zidane, so are u gonna question his judgement???
I agree with Neil.
BTW, Don't Becks and Larry make more than Keano ?
BTW, Don't Becks and Larry make more than Keano ?
Becks makes 70k a week, plus 20k in image rights. Does Keano make more than this ? Also Larry makes some ungodly amount per week because we bought him on a free.
Right. Did some snooping. Becks and Keano make the same amount per week - 90k. Granted the last 20k for Becks comes from image rights.
Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>Rivaldo, as good as he is/was, has fecked up Barca for years with his hold up play..he always takes too much time on the ball and he loses a lot of balls and never tracks back..
At 30 he's not even as good as he used to be + he is a cheating sod and has a huge ego not to mention huge pay demands..</strong><hr></blockquote>
In essence, he works harder for Brazil than for Barcelona, reminds me of a certain Argentinian
I agree though that signing Rivaldo talented he may be, would be a bad move for us. To me, it's more of the ego/sulking attitude problems that he regularly displays than anything else.
Originally posted by charlie's devils:
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No, he probably just thinks you're a cnut.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Was I talking to you?
I doubt Rivaldo would come to us even if we met his wage demands.
Im sure there is a more apealing club - climate wise that would have him.
IF however he is interested in us - it would be stupid if we didnt try and get him.
As much as he is a cheating fcuk - he is also an exceptional player.
Im sure there is a more apealing club - climate wise that would have him.
IF however he is interested in us - it would be stupid if we didnt try and get him.
As much as he is a cheating fcuk - he is also an exceptional player.
Originally posted by lchk:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I've been a "victim" of your dry sense of humor once too often!
Anyway, Raoul I believe Rivaldo would overall be a bad signing for us - yes he has exceptional skills but he's rather inconsistent at club level and most importantly, his big-time attitude problems would cause upsets in the dressing room.
Harmony amongst the players shouldn't be under-rated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I used that same phrase with you yesterday didn't I.
As for Rivaldo....he's not a Fergie type player and the prima dona thing would probably get him in the dog house, irrespective of how little he cost us.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I used that same phrase with you yesterday didn't I.
As for Rivaldo....he's not a Fergie type player and the prima dona thing would probably get him in the dog house, irrespective of how little he cost us.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's precisely why I think Rivaldo wouldn't be a good match for us
If we are really eager to land a left-sided midfielder cum supporting striker, get duff (obviously) or failing that and possibly a cheaper option, Hassan Sas.
So whats a cum supporting striker ?
Agree about Sas and Duff. The fact that we only pay 14m on Rio initially is a good sign that we're going to spend more this year.
Agree about Sas and Duff. The fact that we only pay 14m on Rio initially is a good sign that we're going to spend more this year.
left-sided midfielder cum supporting striker <hr></blockquote>
left-sided midfielder / supporting striker
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>So whats a cum supporting striker ?
Agree about Sas and Duff. The fact that we only pay 14m on Rio initially is a good sign that we're going to spend more this year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
See explanation above.
Thanks paul!
I must admit that I have not read any of the postings here before I send this reply ...
GO AWAY Rivaldo !! ... we don need this Oscar winner in our team !! ... he's a pure disgrace for professional footballer ...
GO AWAY Rivaldo !! ... we don need this Oscar winner in our team !! ... he's a pure disgrace for professional footballer ...
Roy and Raoul are both fags. Rivaldo is one of the best players going around. He would get a game before anyone in Man Utd inc Beckham
You sure have made a good impression in your debut posts trendy. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Roy and Raoul are both fags. Rivaldo is one of the best players going around. He would get a game before anyone in Man Utd inc Beckham <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
What do you think Charlie?
Trendy vrs Suckjit
Good contest that
Trendy vrs Suckjit
Good contest that