I'll bow out of this discussion now. If you're all happy to win by cheating then so be it.
So, if we did sign Rivaldo, what would be your team formation?
-------------------- Barthez ---------------------
-- G Nev ------ Rio --------- Blanc ------ Silv --
-- Becks ----- Keane ------- Verón ------ Giggs --
-------------------------- Rivaldo ---------------
-------------- RVN -------------------------------
I like that! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
-------------------- Barthez ---------------------
-- G Nev ------ Rio --------- Blanc ------ Silv --
-- Becks ----- Keane ------- Verón ------ Giggs --
-------------------------- Rivaldo ---------------
-------------- RVN -------------------------------
I like that! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Rivaldo : Que? No comprendo.
Fergie: Carlos, get in here.
Carlos: Rivaldo, por favor não faz batota hoje.
Rivaldo: Eu posso somente ser eu mesmo. Eu sou Charles pesaroso.
Carlos: Nesse caso, certifique-se apenas de que não é demasiado noticable.
Fergie: Why the long discussion ?
Carlos: He says he is very honoured to be here.
Fergie: Oh really?
Carlos: Nah, actually he says he's terrified of you, says you make scholari look like a pussy....
Fergie: What?!?!?! Get that bugger veron in here to knock some sense into this freakin idiot!!!!!
Veron: Ze, grandmaster, anything for you....look rivaldo you sack of brazilian shite, this planet ain't big enough for the both of us....so feck the hell off, you fecking piece a crap!!!!!!
Rivaldo : Que? No comprendo.
Fergie: Carlos, get in here.
Carlos: Rivaldo, por favor não faz batota hoje.
Rivaldo: Eu posso somente ser eu mesmo. Eu sou Charles pesaroso.
Carlos: Nesse caso, certifique-se apenas de que não é demasiado noticable.
Fergie: Why the long discussion ?
Carlos: He says he is very honoured to be here.
Fergie: Oh really?
Carlos: Nah, actually he says he's terrified of you, says you make scholari look like a pussy....
Fergie: What?!?!?! Get that bugger veron in here to knock some sense into this freakin idiot!!!!!
Veron: Ze, grandmaster, anything for you....look rivaldo you sack of brazilian shite, this planet ain't big enough for the both of us....so feck the hell off, you fecking piece a crap!!!!!!
Rivaldo : Que? No comprendo.
So has it been agreed that Demento is a cheat as well as Rivaldo..
what about Fergie's instructions?
Raoul:
Raoul:
it could happen... Fergie's a big fan of Rivaldo!
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>been a bit late on this thread - but i did post the first link to the story on the crespo no.9 thread (btw, Antohan, I'm AMAZED ya even bother discussing this story now, ya thought it was too ridiculous to do so, a few days ago, maybe simply because of the source - ah, messengers - well, maybe not so amazed)
No I didn't dismiss the possibility. In fact, Van Gaal was certainly going to offload Rivaldo and, given his wages and current transfer market he could go all the way to giving a free transfer.
I just posted a <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> as you said the news were from a site you didn't know very well and the news could be bogus. Tribalfootball <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> . That was it.
feck Rivaldo, Matt Elliot, Dennis Wise and Tim Flowers were all released from Leicester today, they can replace Blanc, Veron and Barthez respectively.
antohan:
like i said, messengers - tribal broke it first n i posted it...
giggzy:
i meant - how come no one (esp. Dans) commented on the Stam (there, i said his name - hope Fergie's not on this forum) allegations that AF intructed them to dive (admittedly, when pushed) in the box, to win penalties, esp. in Europe, when they're having Rivaldo's bollocks for brekkie, lunch, dinner and leftovers for the next week for his horrendously amateurish histrionics?
(the last 3 words there are a contribution to "Worst Rock Band Names" if anyone's interested in compiling another one of those)
like i said, messengers - tribal broke it first n i posted it...
giggzy:
i meant - how come no one (esp. Dans) commented on the Stam (there, i said his name - hope Fergie's not on this forum) allegations that AF intructed them to dive (admittedly, when pushed) in the box, to win penalties, esp. in Europe, when they're having Rivaldo's bollocks for brekkie, lunch, dinner and leftovers for the next week for his horrendously amateurish histrionics?
(the last 3 words there are a contribution to "Worst Rock Band Names" if anyone's interested in compiling another one of those)
Antohan - thank feck! Cheers mate.
We've just made huge strides by signing YOUNG and BRITISH and, most important, QUALITY.
Now you want a 30 year old Brazilian who hasn't won anything worthwhile for Barcelona in three years?
Noooooo thank you.
Now you want a 30 year old Brazilian who hasn't won anything worthwhile for Barcelona in three years?
Noooooo thank you.
imagine if he did, then give ruud the no9 (because he is one) and rivaldo no 10 <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
lemme see, ya're implying Rivaldo's not "QUALITY"
that's a new one.
not his fault Barca are a loser club - just like it ain't Rio's about Leeds - Rivaldo's done way more than enough to change that situation - but there's 11 in a team line-up and roughly 85 more in Barca's squad...
that's a new one.
not his fault Barca are a loser club - just like it ain't Rio's about Leeds - Rivaldo's done way more than enough to change that situation - but there's 11 in a team line-up and roughly 85 more in Barca's squad...
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>lemme see, ya're implying Rivaldo's not "QUALITY"
that's a new one.
not his fault Barca are a loser club - just like it ain't Rio's about Leeds - Rivaldo's done way more than enough to change that situation - but there's 11 in a team line-up and roughly 85 more in Barca's squad...</strong><hr></blockquote>
True, there are 10 other players. But then, there is a widespread understanding that Rivaldo adds as much or less than he takes away from the 11-men performance.
TBH, Barcelona more often than not, seem to be 10 players doing one thing and Rivaldo doing his own. Of course, sometimes he excels doing his own and wins the match, he is the hero, etc. But then other times you see a team broken down, playing one thing and when the ball gets to Rivaldo playing a different thing (e.g. quick counter attack, ball gets to Rivaldo, he holds it up, starts pissing around, counter-attack over as the rivals re-organise).
I would never play him in our midfield unless it was absolutely necessary. As a strike partner maybe but not in the build up. Are we willing to bring him and all his baggage, plus salaries, for a fourth striker?
Dans:
planetfootball are saying that rivaldo has said he has recived an offer from us
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>lemme see, ya're implying Rivaldo's not "QUALITY"
that's a new one.
not his fault Barca are a loser club - just like it ain't Rio's about Leeds - Rivaldo's done way more than enough to change that situation - but there's 11 in a team line-up and roughly 85 more in Barca's squad...</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's top class quality. But I prefer young english quality to old Brazilian quality. We've got all three things that make Rio a great signing. We haven't signed british for 5 years and we haven't made many long-term signing in recent years either. We've finally done that now, why go a step back and sign a 30-year old player who'll cost a fortune in wages and has made a bigger name for himself in recent years on the back of his own team?
He's not a team player, Rivaldo. Looks fine when he plays for Brazil, who are build of 'Rivaldo's, but no way will that work for a club like United. It didn't for Barca. Everyone keeps talking about that overhead goal against Valencia, but it got them FOURTH place, no the bloody title.
Although I'm against us signing Rivaldo on the basis of his attitude, it should be born in mind that we do have an exceptional man manager in Sir Alex. When Cantona came here it was with enormous amount of baggage, no loyalty to clubs, bust ups almost everywhere he went etc., yet Alex managed to tame him just enough to get the best out of him, even if he did still have moments of madness. Yet he became arguably our greatest ever player, and certainly one of our favourites. Its not secret that Alex has been a big admirer of Rivaldo, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he tries to sign him now that he has the chance to - and I wouldn't bet against him getting the best out of Rivaldo in a way no other manager could.
Aye, but Eric was younger, and part of the problem was he often cared too much while others around him did not. Rivaldo cares only about himself.
If he was a few years young, I'd say maybe, but right now I'd like to see younger players arrive.
If he was a few years young, I'd say maybe, but right now I'd like to see younger players arrive.
People who say Rivaldo is not a team player are mad. In the World |cup he proved he is a team player.
antohan:
Amir:
Alot of things can be said about Rivaldos antics, but as a football player he is fecking magnificent. Rather pathetic to see people claim he's shite and has been bad at barca. Ridiculous. He's been excellent and their poor record is because of an atrocious defence. He was the best brazlian player in the world cup, not ronaldo. He scored 5 before the final, ronaldo had scored 6 but people were still talking about this overrated injury prone striker. Rivaldo scored 5 and how many of the other brazlian goals did he create? a fecking genious and getting him on a free is really a no brainer.
<a href="http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=100463&clid=&cpid=&Title=Rivaldo+reveals+offers" target="_blank">http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=100463&clid=&cpid=&Title=Rivaldo+reveals+offers</a>
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seriously, you'd never find TEN Barca players doing the same thing at the same time - five at most
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I hope you got my point and you are just being picky on silly specifics.
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he shoots from anywhere in the half, i've seen him score a few from counter-attacks, so yer point - let's say fifty percent of the time - still, of the other fifty, maybe 50-80% end up in the back of the net, that's 25-40% (who knows - is there an OPTA on this) - pretty good rate for me...
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I didn't understand your calculations and the chucking around of percentages.
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30 goals a season + what was it last season - 18 or so, playing very few games (someone, Weasty, if you have the stats on this, please oblige)
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I never said he didn't score. In fact, I admitted he had a good personal record but the whole point was that his personal record did not necessarily contribute to the team's league performance.
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whether he might disrupt our midfield, pre-judging doesn't make sense to me
</strong>
It does to me. We are assessing a player and I am not alone in believing that would be the potential problem/reason not to sign him. 'The option to prejudging is signing and then checking once you might already have the problem and you're stuck with it (as Van Gaal is, to the point he wants to offload him for free!).
<strong>trust AF (and Carlos!) to get the best outta him - if he can get Seba to play on the right, in the hole, let him handle Rivaldo...</strong>
I trust SAF to be a good man manager, as mentioned before. However, I don't see why we should just keep leaving all the handfuls to him. Make his life easier FFS! Look at last year, his powers didn't seem to do much good in bringing the best out of the squad! There's only THAT much you can ask SAF to do, the rest is down to the players and if all of them are a handful the best he can do is control the situation but hardly go beyond that.
The Cantona precedent has nothing to do with Rivaldo. Different characteristics and a different team (how many established World Class stars were there in that team? how much room for ego-trips?)
<strong>we just paid silly money for a CB - the wages are worth the free transfer - he's still got three, maybe four seasons in him</strong>
I agree about the money, don't think that would be the issue.
seriously, you'd never find TEN Barca players doing the same thing at the same time - five at most
</strong>
I hope you got my point and you are just being picky on silly specifics.
<strong>
he shoots from anywhere in the half, i've seen him score a few from counter-attacks, so yer point - let's say fifty percent of the time - still, of the other fifty, maybe 50-80% end up in the back of the net, that's 25-40% (who knows - is there an OPTA on this) - pretty good rate for me...
</strong>
I didn't understand your calculations and the chucking around of percentages.
<strong>
30 goals a season + what was it last season - 18 or so, playing very few games (someone, Weasty, if you have the stats on this, please oblige)
</strong>
I never said he didn't score. In fact, I admitted he had a good personal record but the whole point was that his personal record did not necessarily contribute to the team's league performance.
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whether he might disrupt our midfield, pre-judging doesn't make sense to me
</strong>
It does to me. We are assessing a player and I am not alone in believing that would be the potential problem/reason not to sign him. 'The option to prejudging is signing and then checking once you might already have the problem and you're stuck with it (as Van Gaal is, to the point he wants to offload him for free!).
<strong>trust AF (and Carlos!) to get the best outta him - if he can get Seba to play on the right, in the hole, let him handle Rivaldo...</strong>
I trust SAF to be a good man manager, as mentioned before. However, I don't see why we should just keep leaving all the handfuls to him. Make his life easier FFS! Look at last year, his powers didn't seem to do much good in bringing the best out of the squad! There's only THAT much you can ask SAF to do, the rest is down to the players and if all of them are a handful the best he can do is control the situation but hardly go beyond that.
The Cantona precedent has nothing to do with Rivaldo. Different characteristics and a different team (how many established World Class stars were there in that team? how much room for ego-trips?)
<strong>we just paid silly money for a CB - the wages are worth the free transfer - he's still got three, maybe four seasons in him</strong>
I agree about the money, don't think that would be the issue.
Originally posted by radd:
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i'm hearing so many reasons why he shouldn't come and they all contradict each other</strong><hr></blockquote>
that's because they all come from different people mate
And most of them (surprisingly, the contradictory ones) you just made up and justified as "they have been stated over his career".
Antohan, where do you think he'll end up? It seems from the comments attributed to him, he's desperate to play for Real.
Even if we did make an offer, somehow I can't see him playing for us.
Even if we did make an offer, somehow I can't see him playing for us.
Looks like AC are the strongest candidates to sign him so far.