Is anyone surprised? Look at the players' body language. It's clear what they're thinking.
Rio - SAF's greatest defender?
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With Rio's current form he should have a fairly good idea that he isn't playing.
The players don't know they're playing until just before the game? Do the planned starting XI not work on certain plays/moves/team shape etc for that specific game in training?
By the look of it some of them don't realize they're playing until well into the match itself - if that.
Seriously, though - Rio can't mean it like that. I suspect Fergie let certain players know earlier in the week that he intended to start them. Moyes doesn't do that - maybe in an effort to keep everyone on their toes in training, I don't know.
All is not well....
Well I interpreted it as he can't get his intensity up on a matchday because he spends nervous energy wondering whether he's playing or not? Weird if so, to leave it so late. I don't understand how they'd train for the game.
I don't know - it sounds very odd if that is indeed the right interpretation. I mean, he surely drills them specifically in advance of certain encounters. He's a perfectionist, after all. I honestly don't know. But if my take on it is more or less right, Rio doesn't have that much to moan about. It's just a matter of not giving anyone the nod several days ahead. The latter can of course have its advantages if you're man managing in a certain way - but it's not something you'd necessarily practice as a rule.
Yup, Rio, being towards the end of his career, is probably just the mouthpiece for how the squad in general feels about Moyes's methods. Seeing a player speak out like this is so unlike United
Well it seems at least slightly problematic if the players are struggling to get adequately mentally prepared for the game because they're worried about the selection when they should be thinking about certain scenarios or what not.
I find it hard to believe the starting XI don't train together before a specific game.
Aye - puzzling. I can only think we're not seeing the full picture here. If there's a rift between Rio and Moyes I suppose we'll get more details soon.
Guardian reporting it too.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...nand-david-moyes-manchester-united?CMP=twt_gu
http://www.theguardian.com/football...nand-david-moyes-manchester-united?CMP=twt_gu
Yeah my first thought was 'it's probably just you Rio'
Moyes trying to let him down gently.
If it's true about Moyes not giving the players the slightest indication of the starting line-up until just before KO, you can understand why Rio is so annoyed. It sounds like one of those stupid policies that managers adopt for the sake of having a policy. A sort of 'It'll keep them on their toes', sort of thing, that doesn't actually work.
With previous coaching staff, as seen in Gary Neville's autobiography and an interview with RVP, training was done during the week on a basis of different roles and tactics to beat up coming opposition in matches....With that in mind, everyone obviously knew their role coming up to the match...
Reading this, makes me wonder what the hell goes on in training now
Reading this, makes me wonder what the hell goes on in training now
Rio should shut the hell up. It's pretty cowardly to start openly complaining like that. He should worry about getting his form up to par.
We are forgetting that this is a man who forgot he had a drugs test....He's always been an absolute knob
I agree with Rio's point, but he shouldn't have said it to the media. If he and other players feel the same way yet Moyes doesn't change, it's more understandable, I guess. The players know what works for them better than Moyes does since he's new. If the old way worked, why change it? I don't see how it's helpful to wait so late to tell the players in terms of preparation and chemistry. It just seems particularly anal for no reason.
fecking Stupid from Rio and I hope he gets a fecking bollocking for it.
Seems a bit odd, certainly. But we don't know exactly what is going on here. Moyes has commented on Rio's complaint, apparently, saying it varies when the eleven is announced. It's hard to make any sense of this from what has been reported, really. It ain't good, though. And Rio has no business bringing this up in public no matter what if you ask me.
Thats the thing...These players got bollockings from Fergie for various things....Fergie kicked a fecking boot into Beckham's face for God's sake and he still loves the man...I'm sitting here laughing at the image of Moyes giving Rio a bollocking and I'm just a fan
Mancini was did the same thing right? Naming the team very late...?
This smells of what the older Chelsea players did to AVB
Unnecessary from Rio. Should know better.
If anything like that is going on, heads must roll. It's completely unacceptable. I hope it's just frustration and thoughtlessness on Rio's part, though.
I doubt he meant it to be critical, I think he was just trying to explain the differences.. sort of like when severeal players talked about how hard pre-season was. Pretty stupid from Rio nontheless, he knows how the media works.
I agree, this sort of thing, if it is what is going on , needs to be stopped and stopped pretty quick before it spreads to the whole squad.
Just like we the fans have to change to a new manager and the way he works, the players have even more to adapt to, new manager and new backroom staff, there is bound to be thing that they don't like it, but they have to suck it up and get on with it , not moan like a little bitch.
Does anyone else get the feeling he's just acting as the spokesman for the rest of the squad as usual? By all means blast him and say he should keep his mouth shut but it worries me that he's felt the need to say this publically. You'd imagine that the players would have addressed the issue with Moyes first.
Very unnecessary from someone like him. If anything, I actually think that method is better as it should in theory keep everyone on their toes the whole week, not just half a week before they realise they aren't playing.
But either way, Rio of all people shouldn't say anything like this. Has he said anything about it since? Say its out of context etc?
But either way, Rio of all people shouldn't say anything like this. Has he said anything about it since? Say its out of context etc?
Should be booted out the door for this.
I am sure Rio has mentioned this to Moyes before. As also did the other players. I am also sure that Rio didnt imply that this method is the reason why we are not doing that well.
It's a small issue being blown out of proportion.
Anyway, Moyes method will make many players madmen. But Fergie's method in telling players they are not gonna play so early had the same consequences as well.
It's a small issue being blown out of proportion.
Anyway, Moyes method will make many players madmen. But Fergie's method in telling players they are not gonna play so early had the same consequences as well.
Ferdinand is media savvy enough to how those comments would be taken by the media. Ferdinands coming to be the point like Keane did where his game is gone yet he still has the dressing room influence and it causes issues especially with a new manager.
If Moyes has any guts or humour he'll call him into his office to give him advanced notice that he won't be playing the next two games.
If Moyes has any guts or humour he'll call him into his office to give him advanced notice that he won't be playing the next two games.
Ferdinand is as thick as two short planks. This is nothing new.
God, you post a load of tripe. I thought the Caf might suffer after Fergie left but bloody hell, it's like they all escaped the mental asylum.
Whats so funny? Rio was a better defender than Vidic had his peak which also ran for longer than Vidic's peak. There is a reason why webroke the English transfer record on a defender.
Pretty sure the original post claimed the opposite was true - and then some. Hence the green.
You're right, my post was meant for Ronaldosmum
At their peak Vidic >>>>> Rio.
Rio needs to be dropped, he's lost a yard of pace and is mostly second to everything.
Dont be daft, Rio was a better defender than Vidic had his peak which also ran for longer than Vidic's peak. There is a reason why we broke the English transfer record on a defender.
Rio better player but Vidic more important and missed more when absent
It seems odd that Moyes wouldn't trust the senior players to know whether they're playing in advance. Rio shouldn't have said this publicly though.