I have watched enough games to know he wasnt a guaranteed starter for the last two seasons, starting in only 50% of our league games - that says a lot given the moribund state of our attack. To claim a player, who wasnt firmly ahead of Rashford or Sanchez, puts fear into defenders is simply ridiculous. If he was that good in the past seasons, Sanchez wouldnt be playing for us today.
Right Winger... Who do we go for?
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Yeah you are right it says enough about our attack and manager, Jose should have handled Martial and Sanchez inclusion in the team better. If anything it is evidence of the moronic management of Mourinho, and him leaving our best attacker and dribbler out of the team. Him not being firmly ahead of Rashford or Sanchez has nothing to do with him putting fear into defenders, he does put fear in defenders. It's evident how he is doubled as soon as he is on the ball. If you can't see that, that link about spec savers it's not a bad idea, no offence really. Sanchez transfer should not be involved with the progress of your best attacking talent, when a player of Alexis's talent is available you go for it, it's simple, especially when you get him like we did, in a swap deal.
Even before Sanchez joined, he was sharing time with Rashford. Martial had been inconsistent the past seasons and blaming Mourinho for it is just silly when it is more likely the kid was struggling with his marital issues, or is Mourinho also in charge of the French NT?
Martial has talent (and was one of the reasons I was against the Sanchez transfer cos I felt he would surpass sanchez in 1 or 2 seasons) but he is not yet at the level that some of you guys are placing him, talking of putting fear in defences.
The kind of overrating that many give our players makes one wonder if you ever watch other teams play.
He was sharing the LW with Rashford and come January he won it over scoring a couple of goals. Yeah young players are often inconsistent, and Jose Mourinho has demonstrated that he isn't very patient with young players. Martial has been inconsistent yeah, like every other player in our team. The double standards are very evident when Mourinho benched him while other kept their place based on feck all. Young players struggle with all kinds of issues, all of them even older heads, it's the managers job to manage them properly, especially the most talented. Martial has never had any serious issues with his attitude despite some of you trying to paint it otherwise. Mourinho on the other hand, mismanaged both him and Shaw for example.
He has talent and is our most dangerous player, whether he puts fear or not, I'm not sure how can we find middle ground, but it's evident opposition defenses concentrate on him very often, I guess they know where the danger is coming more that you and I.
You failed to answer why, if Martial is as good as claimed, enough to put fear in defences, that he could not make the french NT when players like Thauvin, Giroud and Fekir did (and I doubt even their own mothers would claim those guys put fear into defenders).
Mourinho successfully managed a teenage Varane into a starting spot ahead of the experienced Pepe, and had no problem managing Ozil and Di Maria, who were about the same age as Martial when they played for Mourinho. Mourinho was good enough to get more out of a teenage Balotelli than anyone ever did since. Shaw was struggling and overweight before Mourinho came in but you are trying to put it on him. he so mismanaged them that both are performing better - that is some level of mismanagement. I am sure he has also mismanaged Rashford who is even younger.
Martial had his issues (cheating on his wife and subsequent divorce) and that affected him on the pitch. (its simply being human) That is wholly on him not Mourinho or should Mourinho be his marriage counselor as well?
He has talent but the likes of CR7 did not reach their level relying on talent alone. He needs to work hard and improve like he is doing and hopefully he will get there and still be in a red shirt. But making him up to be at some top quality level (cos that what it means to command the attention of two defenders and put fear in a defence) is simply not true. One of the reason our attack struggles is cos we dont have a player of that level.
Is that so har to come with an answer? And what has got that to do with fear exactly? He didn't play enough to be selected for the national team, because the same standards that were applied to him, did not count for Alexis, nor Lingard for example. Thauvin and Fekir had very good seasons last term. And if Martial continues this way he will be back with the national team, no problem.
Varane he did, and that was evident, but for every Varane, there is KDB, or Salah, or Lukaku. Shaw was no struggling nor overweight, he had his leg snapped in two and was recovering from a bad injury. He seems the same ''fat'' Shaw as before, only fans like you seem to use the same stick to beat him. If you paid attention Shaw was very good last season also, Mourinho decided to invest his time and coaching into Ashley Young. How he handled Martial last season was also a testament of himself.
Whether Martial had problems in his marriage or relationship had feck all to do with Mourinho dropping him as soon as he had a bad game at RW, just after scoring 4 goals in 5 matches in January. You can act all marriage counselor as you want, but that's the true. And frankly it's being discussed to death, I don't know why do we have to go over that.
Nobody says he should not work hard, that we agree on, absolutely. It's the only way he realizes his potential, whether he reaches the heights some on here expect is another issue. He is of top quality level. Football does not work like FM, ''naah we don't have a CR7 in this team all right lads, no need to worry''. If you were and opposition team, you look at our players and think, who is going to cause you some problems? All right than that's about two guys, Pogba and Martial.
@Kostov why are you talking about martial being dropped after playing 4-5 good games at RW?
Unless I’ve been watching my TV in Australia then surely it’s LW
Unless I’ve been watching my TV in Australia then surely it’s LW
Its not about where he can be its about where he was. He was simply not good enough and other players were picked ahead of him
KDB wanted to leave Chelsea in the summer and stay in the Bundesliga where he had been on loan, but Mourinho convinced him to stay. Still after 6 months, he wanted to be a starter and left for Wolfsburg. It took him 2.5 seasons of regular starter minutes to develop to the level he was when he returned to PL. He simply was not good enough to be starting for Chelsea when he left.
- Similarly Lukaku wanted to be guaranteed to be a starter ahead of Diego Costa (which was simply hilarious). Neither players were at the quality level required for starting spots in that Chelsea squad or should Mourinho have benched better performing players to rub their egos?
- Salah on the other hand simply failed to settle in London. It was Mourinho that bought him after they played against Basel but the management were impatient and sold him.
- Even this season, Shaw is yet to be very good and has often been the weak link in our defence. I only care about his weight to the extent it affects his mobility. He is definitely in better shape this season and keeps his motor running. Still, his defending leaves a lot to be desired.
- The idea that Mourinho is investing time into Ashley young is just ridiculous.
- The simple truth is if you perform, you play. Initially Mourinho rotated Rashford and Martial, but for the better part of the first season, rashford was simply the better performing player. Sanchez transfer would have been unnecessary if our attack was not struggling in december with consecutive draws against Leceister, Burnley and Southampton. Martial did not score and managed only one assist the entire month despite playing in almost all games.
Look at his performance in December. His lack of consistency is what led to him losing his spot. This is not a case of a temp drop in form which you try to have a player play through but an overall incosistency.
Martial is not yet top quality, and cos he is better than most on our current team does not make him so. A top quality player doesnt fail to make his own NT or are Giroud, fekir and Thauvin also top quality?
Where did I say that? He was dropped after one bad game at RW against Spurs. Previously he scored goals and played well playing as a LW.
He was with a manager applying double standards for him and Sanchez in this case. That's where he was. He simply wasn't playing is the right answer. And by that I mean he didn't get a run of games like most football players need. When he did get a run in January we reaped the rewards, as we are doing now. Sanchez in the same time got that run of games yet he was nowhere near good enough. If you fail to acknowledge that, there's nothing to be done here.
The point you make is valid with KDB, but it misses the target. Maybe he wasn't good enough at that moment, but the talent was evident. The manager did not do enough to plan for the well being of the club long term. How much it was down to him only I'm not sure since they have directors. But he chose instant better player but lesser talent in Oscar and Chelsea lost longterm. KDB has claimed his mistreatment from Jose previously, go and look for quotes.
Lukaku left because of game time, and it was best for him, and also best for Jose, who had a better player with Costa. Salah I'm not sure how did it pen out, but some Chelsea fans claim he didn't get enough chances.
Shaw has been very good this season, you might have slept over a month or two of the season. Didn't he get player of the month? Weak link? In a defense consisted of Ashley Young and two very suspect CBs? Yeah, a weak link indeed. He had some shaky games but he's been one of our best performers this season. This run of games he is getting know, could have happened earlier, only Jose was reluctant to give the kid a run of games.
Mourinho invested time in Ashley Young last season, even after Shaw was very good in December/January. That's a fact. Young was also very good, but I don't need to tell you about the long term benefits of Shaw playing and Young doing the same.
That's total bullshit. Like Lukaku this season? Or maybe Matic? Are we ignoring that now?
Are you aware that Martial had the most Player of the Month awards till December January last season? If so? Do you realize how ridiculous that comment is?
You claiming he lost his spot in December and ignoring his January performances? Have we erased that from history? A top quality player won't be selected for his national team if he does not play, especially in a team with the quality pool of France. Are Giroud, Fekir, and Thauvin some pub players? Or do you think Dechamps is some moron who took them to the WC?
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And Martial gets selected for the national team, Fekir, Giroud and Thauvin are also there.
And Martial gets selected for the national team, Fekir, Giroud and Thauvin are also there.
Think maybe cengiz under of Roma could be the solution to our rw problems.
I would love to see a player like Douglas Costa, we're in need for a player that can deliver dangerous crosses with electrifying pace
Opinions on Rony Lopes?
I presume Jadon Sancho has been mentioned?
I watched Der Klassiker yesterday and he had a really poor first half. 2nd half however he was excellent. Plays a bit like Martial in the way he loves to take players on, he's quick and he's young. He is, of course, still a bit raw and needs more experience at the top level but he's doing great with BVB this season so far.
It'd also create a lovely story about how City were torn apart by their former academy product at Old Trafford.
Just needs to keep his head down, concentrate and not get distracted.
I watched Der Klassiker yesterday and he had a really poor first half. 2nd half however he was excellent. Plays a bit like Martial in the way he loves to take players on, he's quick and he's young. He is, of course, still a bit raw and needs more experience at the top level but he's doing great with BVB this season so far.
It'd also create a lovely story about how City were torn apart by their former academy product at Old Trafford.
Just needs to keep his head down, concentrate and not get distracted.
Can't see him coming to United, but if he did it would bring a better balance to the attack, watching him play yesterday I agree that he was poor in the first half , (so was most of the Dortmund team), but he did impress later on, He would'nt have any trouble settling in because of his experience of life in Manchester and connections with some young United players.
I'm all for giving youth a chance and he is certainly one of the best young RW's out there, but would José agree ?
Don't know anything about him.
23yr old Portuguese, left footed and plays for Monaco as RW/LW. Had 15 goals + 5 assists in Ligue 1 last season. (Was in Citeh Youth and is familiar with PL to an extent)
https://www.transfermarkt.com/rony-lopes/profil/spieler/174694
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/127970/Show/Rony-Lopes
Sounds prmising.
We should've gone all out for Mahrez and if we failed, we could've bought Shaqiri. He cost something like 15m and he is a good player.
Deep down I really want Jadon Sancho. Looks so unreal and an exciting prospect as Kylian Mbappe.
What do folk think of Thorgan Hazard? Seems to be doing really well in a pretty good Borussia Moechengladbach team.
What do folk think of Thorgan Hazard? Seems to be doing really well in a pretty good Borussia Moechengladbach team.
I'd rather we have Mata/Rashford there and wait for a better option than sign one of the two above as a long term option.
Please can we bring in a quality right winger this summer. I've absolutely had enough of Rashford and Lingard stinking the place up there.
We desperately need a RW.
We desperately need a RW.
Tommy Robinson, unless he's banged up. I suspect Peresic is now a busted flush and too old for us to buy. I can't think of too many who we could bring in. Maybe we could bring in young Chong and see what he can do and Dalot at RB.
This would be my list of preferred (and at least semi-realistic) targets, in order of how much I wanted them:
Ousmane Dembélé
Christian Pulisic
Malcom
Wilfried Zaha
Hirving Lozano
Ousmane Dembélé
Christian Pulisic
Malcom
Wilfried Zaha
Hirving Lozano
If Mourinho stays in charge, I don't think he will ever buy a RW. It has been such a hole in our team for so long that the fact he never bought a RW should be held against him. Even he were to finally get one in January or next season, he would never get a young player with potential. Just look at his treatment of Martial. So the Dembeles, Pulisics are out of the question.
With that in mind, I would propose the following names :
-Thorgan Hazard (25) from Borussia Monchengladbach
-Keita Baldé (23) from AS Monaco currently on loan at Inter Milan
-Julian Brandt (22) from Bayer Leverkusen
But knowing Mourinho and Woodward, they will probably go for Gareth Bale or Perisic (again)...
With that in mind, I would propose the following names :
-Thorgan Hazard (25) from Borussia Monchengladbach
-Keita Baldé (23) from AS Monaco currently on loan at Inter Milan
-Julian Brandt (22) from Bayer Leverkusen
But knowing Mourinho and Woodward, they will probably go for Gareth Bale or Perisic (again)...
Thorgan Hazard is doing a lot better than I thought he was. 10 goals in 12 games for Monchengladbach this season and a brace for Belgium so far tonight. Turns 26 in March so will be hitting his prime years. Could be an interesting player to pick up seeing as he can play on the right.
We need a right footed, direct winger, someone like Valencia in his first season for utd. Zaha is ok, anyone better?
We need to buy younger players
Think a left or two footer will pride better balance and flexibility.
Nah he is just a mercenary. Does well pocketing cash from the 'low level' teams.
Our team has no width at all. Whenever we have the ball from deep, there is no one ready to receive a long pass. This is why we need at least one direct winger.
You provide width by staying wide and not necessarily cos you are right or left footed. You also have the LB and RB that can provide width too.
On the other hand, with a right footer, the attacking trio would all be right footed and would lack balance of providing width on the left or cutting in on the right with the stronger foot.
Just by staying wide it wouldn't provide us width. If so, then Martial should have provided us width by now.
As I said, when we have ball from deep or in defence, we don't have someone to receive a long forward pass. This is where a right footed right winger would make a difference. It's easier for the opposition defender to defend a forward long pass to an inverted winger.
Lastly our striker is a left footed player, so it's not attacking trio with all right footed players.
I don't think it matters if the wnger is right or left footed as the fullbacks should provide the attacking width.
He's made a few bob hasn't he? There's always some gullible prat willing to chuck money at him.
How about Julian Brandt
He is the Jack Rodwell of 'public figures'
Apologize to Zaha and bring him back
Has there been any more links with Linton Maina at Hannover? Were linked in the summer.
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