Right Winger... Who do we go for?

Status
Not open for further replies.
ravi2 said:
Id sell Martial every day of the week for Dembele
Click to expand...

I honestly don’t think we’d need too though, sure Barca paid €105 million which is about £93 million so offering Barca their money back plus £50 million for Maguire plus Fred and Dalot equals just over £200 million. We got £16 million for Blind, should get around £10-£12 million for Darmian and would move a centre back or possibly two on and fringe players so we’d end up with a net of around £150 which is about average for us each summer.
 
Would Pulisic be good enough? I've not really watched him much.
 
Solius said:
Would Pulisic be good enough? I've not really watched him much.
Click to expand...

Doesn't matter really - he is an wide midfielder who likes to play inwards much like Mata, Martial & Sanchez (most of the type Rashford too) . José can only afford to play one. That's why we are more likely to get willian, Perisic or at the very best - ousamanne Dembele. These Are all direct wingers - Jose has historically had a direct winger with an inverted winger on the opposite side in every team. This is essential for his support for his target man in every team also.
 
davidmichael said:
I honestly don’t think we’d need too though, sure Barca paid €105 million which is about £93 million so offering Barca their money back plus £50 million for Maguire plus Fred and Dalot equals just over £200 million. We got £16 million for Blind, should get around £10-£12 million for Darmian and would move a centre back or possibly two on and fringe players so we’d end up with a net of around £150 which is about average for us each summer.
Click to expand...


I agree everything you are saying and most likely Jose does as well...the question is does it fit Woodwards & the Glazers agenda
 
Looking like Willian might honestly be the best option tbh. Probably not the guy to take us to the next level but certainly an improvement. At his age he might also be the best guy to take the role for a few seasons while Chong continues to develop.
 
I would have assumed that Pulisic would be the one we would go for - young, pacy, skillful and being American you'd think the marketing department would love him as he'd no doubt sell jerseys well in the US. That said, it looks like Jose will prefer to go with someone he knows and trusts in Willian. If that's the case, i'm not against it as he's a good player, I just hope we don't over-pay as we may only see three seasons out of him. We could have Pulisic for a lot longer, with his best years still ahead of him.
 
think it will be Willian and, with echoes of the deal involving Mhiki/Sanchez, I think Martial might go the other way sadly
 
I heard Pulisic is good lets get him since he will add width and will win us America
 
ravi2 said:
I agree everything you are saying and most likely Jose does as well...the question is does it fit Woodwards & the Glazers agenda
Click to expand...

Young, exciting, marketable, World Cup winner, huge resale value/potential, disillusioned apparently at his club and plays in one our biggest problem positions and Barca now have Messi and Malcolm at their disposal in his best position so it just makes such ridiculous sense and that’s why it probably won’t happen.
 
Solius said:
Would Pulisic be good enough? I've not really watched him much.
Click to expand...
I'll be honest he looks a good talent but I've never been blown away by him, he's got some serious potential but he doesn't strike me as someone who'll be among the top 2/3 in their position when they're older. Think he'll be a very good player if he keeps his head down.
 
davidmichael said:
Young, exciting, marketable, World Cup winner, huge resale value/potential, disillusioned apparently at his club and plays in one our biggest problem positions and Barca now have Messi and Malcolm at their disposal in his best position so it just makes such ridiculous sense and that’s why it probably won’t happen.
Click to expand...

It makes too much sense for our board to ever approve something like that
 
Despite what I may have said previously elsewhere, I’d take Willian now for a reasonable price. We need someone competent for that right flank, because we have nothing there currently. Can’t afford to make the idealised, perfect signing the enemy of a merely good signing.
 
CM10 said:
Crazy that a question like this even has to be asked of a forward signing.
Click to expand...

Hahah modern day football aye. I doubt that question was asked when City signed Sane. I hate it. Defenders have to be creative and forward thinking and forwards have to be defensive minded. Park Ji Sung would have cost us £50m if signed today.
 
What about Zaha? 9 goals in 30 matches isn't bad for Palace
 
Pulisic seems to be less of a little bitch than Dembele. We already have one whiny, depressed French emo we shouldn't go for another. If we want right now ability then Bale is the best bet, otherwise Pulisic for a decent current improvement with the potential for greater.
 
kidbob said:
Pulisic seems to be less of a little bitch than Dembele. We already have one whiny, depressed French emo we shouldn't go for another. If we want right now ability then Bale is the best bet, otherwise Pulisic for a decent current improvement with the potential for greater.
Click to expand...

As good as Dembele is , his attitude does seem to stink and who knows what'll happen when he and Martial both get in a funk. He has a crazy high ceiling tho
Pulisic may be the safer option and the Glazers and Ed would love his marketability
 
CM10 said:
Crazy that a question like this even has to be asked of a forward signing.
Click to expand...

Exactly.

Though there is no reason to highlight the fans - you have to ask - why if we are selling a player with low work rate are we attempting to buy another? The truth is - we are not. We are not attempting to buy anyone without a good work rate nor are we attempting to buy a winger who isn't a direct one.

That's why we will end up with willian (or if we have to I hope its Perisic). This has nothing to do with availability or quality of the market - yet everyone will act like no one was available except willian. I highlighted this & got absolutely torn a new one when I got angry that Malcom the RW went for 41 mil euros after only being targeted my Roma.

The players we are buying is an attempt to get the best out of Jose mourinho & his methods/tactics. For that we need a full squad of strong, physical players who have more of a footballing work rate than having a combination of footballing brain or pure technique.

We continue to change United to bend towards adapt towards José's tactics rather than Jose trying to adapt his tactics towards the varying ability of the squad.

I am absolutely jealous. Forget the money - Pep (& klopp) have managed different teams & whilst some core preferences such as possession ( or counterattack) has been the same throughout all his clubs; Barcelona, bayern & City have approached that core capacity in different way by having different type of players, different tactics & formations.

We on the other hand use the same formation as Chelsea, Real Madrid, inter & Chelsea 2.0, we have to use the same tactics, the same balance between defence & attack, the same style of football, crosses & lofted balls over football on the floor, the same preferences of the type of player and so much more that he is actually targeting purely his ex players.

Bale, Pulisic, Dembele, Malcom and many of the wingers being mentioned here are inside wingers or players that lack work rate & defensive work rate. Buying these players will cause an inability to get the best out of Jose Mourinho.

Welcome to Manchester United Willian!

You really are the only option available. Believes no one except the strongest of believers.
 
Pulisic is overrated imo. Think he is overhyped because people want to see a top quality American footballer.
 
settembrini said:
Pulisic is overrated imo. Think he is overhyped because people want to see a top quality American footballer.
Click to expand...

He is a bit - the end product isn't there to justify the hype at the moment. He could maybe do with staying put a while longer. I'd still take him over Dembele, though.
 
Zaha is the only one left that is available to the market and fit in Mou's system imo. He has been playing great in the last couple seasons. He is at the peak of his power now.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Looking like Willian might honestly be the best option tbh. Probably not the guy to take us to the next level but certainly an improvement. At his age he might also be the best guy to take the role for a few seasons while Chong continues to develop.
Click to expand...
Hopefully Jose is selling Woodward and the Glazers on this angle.
settembrini said:
Pulisic is overrated imo. Think he is overhyped because people want to see a top quality American footballer.
Click to expand...
Reminds me a bit of Pogba in that his valuation is based on pure projection of what he could become. In Pulisic's case, if he's marketing gold if he can back up the hype.
 
Dembele's professionalism is often questioned, never his ability. Unfortunately, if the rumours of unprofessionalism have any real foundation, his peak may be early and brief. I'd love to see him come here and succeed... much the way I'd love to see Martial reach his potential in United red... but it might never happen. Players like Willian might not make you dream like a Dembele, but he will play his part, and work hard for his teammates.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Zaha is the only one left that is available to the market and fit in Mou's system imo. He has been playing great in the last couple seasons. He is at the peak of his power now.
Click to expand...
Makes sense but again he has been playing as a striker or on the left wing for Crystal Palace. He might also not want to return to the place where he initially flopped.
 
Zaha’s physicality, strength, pace and ability on the ball is perfect fit for Mou. He is a "finished product" so no risk on potential, and mentality he is much more mature now. There is zero chance Mou will buy a young talent like Pulisic as a starter for Man Utd to play at the right wing.
 
settembrini said:
Pulisic is overrated imo. Think he is overhyped because people want to see a top quality American footballer.
Click to expand...

I actually think Pulisic is more highly rated from non-Americans than he is at home (at least this is my impression from surfing this forum and talking to friends here in the States). I think the hype is justified, though.

He's incredibly mature and reads the game well. He's got a strong work ethic and plays all up and down the pitch. His touch is soft and he can both take men on and place a through ball. He needs to improve on his passing and his end product, but he definitely has a very high ceiling.

If he were French or Brazilian, people would be even more stoked on him than they are now. That being said, I do think he has a ways to go before he's worth the prices being quoted for him, and BVB is a good place for him to do that. Another year or two at Dortmund and, if he continues to progress, we should be all over it.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Zaha’s physicality, strength, pace and ability on the ball is perfect fit for Mou. He is a "finished product" so no risk on potential, and mentality he is much more mature now. There is zero chance Mou will buy a young talent like Pulisic as a starter for Man Utd to play at the right wing.
Click to expand...

if Mou play 433 like france that may work. Front 3 of Sanchez, Lukaku, Zaha, with fred, matic and Pogba as 3 CM
 
If it is 70M for Pulisic or Zaha I will pick Zaha anytime.
Kearnkoff69 said:
I actually think Pulisic is more highly rated from non-Americans than he is at home (at least this is my impression from surfing this forum and talking to friends here in the States). I think the hype is justified, though.

He's incredibly mature and reads the game well. He's got a strong work ethic and plays all up and down the pitch. His touch is soft and he can both take men on and place a through ball. He needs to improve on his passing and his end product, but he definitely has a very high ceiling.

If he were French or Brazilian, people would be even more stoked on him than they are now. That being said, I do think he has a ways to go before he's worth the prices being quoted for him, and BVB is a good place for him to do that. Another year or two at Dortmund and, if he continues to progress, we should be all over it.
Click to expand...

Mou has no time and patience to develop young player at the moment. He is in 3rd year of his contract and under great pressure to deliver result. He needs player that can contribute and deliver right away. so no matter how bright the future or how high the ceiling Pulisic has Mou won't go for him as starter for the right wing. As a backup may be just like Diogo Dalot
 
Status
Not open for further replies.