sanchez would be my choice, though I still think he will go to city and replace Aguero... I would go for pulisic if he is availabl.. he is a class act and a rumoured Man Utd fan.. no brainer!!
Right Winger... Who do we go for?
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Robben in an RVP like move. Never gonna happen, I know.
100%.
Been thinking this since Nani was sold.
I would go for any two from:
- Leon Bailey (first choice)
- Malcolm (first choice) Christian Pusilic (first choice)
- Gelson Martins (first choice)
- Wilf Zaha (alternative choice)
- Jadon Sancho (alternative choice)
- Reiss Nelson (alternative choice)
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Peresic...
No pulisic?
You're my last post of the day (Newbie) and it's only 08:52!
No Pusilic for me.
All of the first choices that I listed are, in my opinion, better quality options than him for the system, style and formations we will likely be using under Jose.
Pulisic is more of an all-rounder. He doesn't have searing pace like the other three and is less likely to want to take his man on at the first opportunity.
He is usually deployed out wide but I think he is a better No.10.
I think that we need more natural fits for those two would wide positions.
Personally, I am a bit sick of seeing passers played out there. I know that football hipsters would be stroking their imaginary beards at that sentiment but I don't care.
I just want someone to receive the ball and fecking dribble with it.
A lot of these options are too basic IMO, Pulisic can go outside with acceleration but also drift in and pick a pass, we lack his kind of creative awareness in the final third more than someone that can just run really fast.
Unfortunately Mourinho doesn't like wingers cutting inside, basically he doesn't do inside forwards, hence Martial is struggling to adapt to Mourinho's style of football. He likes traditional wingers who go outside and can beat a fullback and whip in a cross. The wingers are also tasked with huge defensive responsibilities under Mouriho's set up.
If Pulisic doesn't have pace, just replay the dortmund bayern game last weekend, lol.You're my last post of the day (Newbie) and it's only 08:52!
No Pusilic for me.
All of the first choices that I listed are, in my opinion, better quality options than him for the system, style and formations we will likely be using under Jose.
Pulisic is more of an all-rounder. He doesn't have searing pace like the other three and is less likely to want to take his man on at the first opportunity.
He is usually deployed out wide but I think he is a better No.10.
I think that we need more natural fits for those two would wide positions.
Personally, I am a bit sick of seeing passers played out there. I know that football hipsters would be stroking their imaginary beards at that sentiment but I don't care.
I just want someone to receive the ball and fecking dribble with it.
Check your facts please.
All those you mentioned rely on sheer pace(except Malcom probably), unlike Pulisic who uses a combination of pace, close control and Movement to beat his man. Pulisic is not a passer, he is a dribbler(probably better than those you mentioned) that can playmake in the Ribery and Hazard mould. He's fast, but doesn't have seering pace - which is not a necessity for a winger. Although crossing is not his greatest strenght, he is quite comfortable staying on the wing, taking his man on and creating chances from there. He will fit in.You're my last post of the day (Newbie) and it's only 08:52!
No Pusilic for me.
All of the first choices that I listed are, in my opinion, better quality options than him for the system, style and formations we will likely be using under Jose.
Pulisic is more of an all-rounder. He doesn't have searing pace like the other three and is less likely to want to take his man on at the first opportunity.
He is usually deployed out wide but I think he is a better No.10.
I think that we need more natural fits for those two would wide positions.
Personally, I am a bit sick of seeing passers played out there. I know that football hipsters would be stroking their imaginary beards at that sentiment but I don't care.
I just want someone to receive the ball and fecking dribble with it.
@tonnas, @Laurentiu amt, @Mcking...
Okay fine. You sold me. I'm adding Pulisic to my list as a first choice in place of Malcolm (who will probably move to one of the other big clubs).
Any one of Pulisic or Martins in addition to Bailey (who is still my absolute first choice).
Okay fine. You sold me. I'm adding Pulisic to my list as a first choice in place of Malcolm (who will probably move to one of the other big clubs).
Any one of Pulisic or Martins in addition to Bailey (who is still my absolute first choice).
I haven't seen a lot. What is he like? What is his strenghts and Weaknesses.
Why not? He's out of contract. Unless you have another thing on your mind, but RVP was 29 and pretty much in his prime unlike Robben.
He has blistering pace and great dribbling skills and a decent shot. He's an all action kind of guy that makes things happen. Also, an interesting piece of trivia is that he's good friends with the famous Manchester United supporter Usain Bolt. If he came here he would end up being a crowd favourite.
http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/B...r-in-the-making-jamaica-usain-bolt-458263.jsp
What is there to suggest were after one ? Jose had a right winger gift wrapped and ready to collect, he kyboshed it , Mane. I dont get why people are picking fantasy teams, it doesn't matter what you want, Jose was looking at perisic, he's still crying about not getting him, & guess what? He ain't a right winger.
Carrasco?
Although I think he mainly plays on the left, he can play on either wing.
Although I think he mainly plays on the left, he can play on either wing.
Some of the most uninspiring youtube clips I´ve seen. Doesn't follow one good thing up with another..
Wouldn't mind mahrez in January.
Leon Bailey, check him out @mufc_forever_fan . He is young and would have a good sell on value. He is Brilliant on the ball and a great crosser and scores goals . He is also a deadball specialist.
He has taken a backwards step this season, and although I do think that on his day he is excellent, I don't think right now is the best time for him.
Geert Wilders seems a good shout, but I think we should go on Nick Griffin to give oportunity for domestic talent.
You are aware, that Bailey just moved to Leverkusen this year and has a long term contract until 2022? What makes you think, that you can go there and just pick their juwels and very important players?
Leverkusen are surely aware of the fact, that they dont belong to the elite and players are going to leave at some point sooner or later, but they surely wont bend over and being bullied into selling. They have their own goals and ambitions.
Brandt has a clause and will surely leave and if the reports are true about the 25m€ clause of Tah, then they are going to lose two of their juwels and VIPs already. Bailey, Henrichs and Havertz will be kept under any circumstances. Maybe a giant like United together with a dembele-behaviour could be successful, but he surely would cost a bomb.
Not as easy as you think I guess..and not as cheap too.
Cheeky 70m bid for mane? lol
There are rumors that Chelsea are looking to sell Willian to a Chinese club and get Lucas Moura to replace him.
As for right wing, we need to consider
Sanchez
Pulisic
Draxler (I honestly think he could have a De Bruyne impact if he came to United). The guy needs to play day in day out.
Forsberg
Bruma
Lucas Moura
Mahrez
As for right wing, we need to consider
Sanchez
Pulisic
Draxler (I honestly think he could have a De Bruyne impact if he came to United). The guy needs to play day in day out.
Forsberg
Bruma
Lucas Moura
Mahrez
Mahrez is another winger that cuts in and Forsberg is not really the the type of winger we need, but I wouldn't be against signing him for the 10 position.
I haven't watched bruma a lot, so can't really tell, but I'm convinced Lucas Moura is not the man.
Wouldn't mind Sanchez, but I don't think he will be willing to play the way we need.
Pulisic will be my choice, he's got everything we need from a winger too but I wouldn't mind Draxler - although he usaully plays on the left or through the middle, I feel he'd easily adapt to the right, the guy is so good.
We'd burn him out
Feels as if all the attractive winger options aren't here at the moment. I honestly can't say for certain that players like Moura, Pulisic, Bruma, Mahrez would do any better than if we just play Rashford on the right wing, Martial on the left. Based on England performances Rashford could certainly do a good job there.
We were a couple seasons too shy of making the ideal move, should have gone for Ousmane Dembele, Mané or Sane when they were available. Let's hope we're looking into the likes of; Oyarzabal, Malcom to see if they are the real deal by the end of the season and play Rashford there meanwhile. I don't think Sanchez wants to come here but he'd be a great option.
We were a couple seasons too shy of making the ideal move, should have gone for Ousmane Dembele, Mané or Sane when they were available. Let's hope we're looking into the likes of; Oyarzabal, Malcom to see if they are the real deal by the end of the season and play Rashford there meanwhile. I don't think Sanchez wants to come here but he'd be a great option.
I think pure width is less important for us to find in a RW than someone who can create space once they have the ball, like an Hazard. So the impressive dribbling statistics of a Pulisic or Malcolm seem like good tactical fits for Mourinho and our squad. Mahrez too.
Ideally they'd be comfortable in deeper positions since our left-wingers are forwards who need to be up the pitch.
Also worth noting that if we sign a 10 and a winger one likely can't start when we play 352 or 433, so my guess is it's one or the other but not both.
Ideally they'd be comfortable in deeper positions since our left-wingers are forwards who need to be up the pitch.
Also worth noting that if we sign a 10 and a winger one likely can't start when we play 352 or 433, so my guess is it's one or the other but not both.
What about that kid James Madison from Norwich ?
After giving this more thought, I think we should cover our bases by signing a couple of wide attackers - as opposed to just one. Mata has done well from a tactical fit perspective in terms of what we want as regards passing presence at the edge of the final third - but he's not the ideal solution going forwards. And on the other side, Martial is playing as a wide forward right now, but he could definitely play as more of a center forward with more experience as he fine-tunes his hold-up play. So there are a couple of medium term question marks - aside from the lack of quality depth (depending on how you rate Lingard). So it would make sense to sign an additional winger or wide attacker in conjunction with Oyazabal/Malcom/Pulisić etc. Particularly since those players are quite versatile and might develop into forwards in the future.
Given that we're apparently pursuing Soler, United should run out rule over Ferrán Torres as well - he's highly rated in the Spanish game (like Asensio and Oyarzabal when they were progressing though the ranks), plays like a mix of playmaker and traditional winger on the ball, can operate on both flanks, and has a reasonable buyout clause of just ~£20 million after he extended his contract with Valencia (hardly a prohibitive figure for one of the better Spanish talents with the likes of Sergio Gómez and Abel Ruiz). Maybe not sign him with a view to join United, but return to Valencia (who might have vacancies out wide if Soler leaves and Gonçalo Guedes isn't signed/renewed).
He's only starting out so there aren't a lot of Unbelievable Magic™ videos, but this is a decent highlight reel (uploaded a couple of weeks ago):
Based on the evidence of a lot of transfers in recent years, a young player's value can explode off the back of one or two decent seasons depending on contract renewals, so it makes sense to target elite talents who're the cusp of first team football - Torres definitely fits that mold because he's odds on to debut for Valencia in the near future and step up to the Spanish U-19 and U-21 team(s).
Given that we're apparently pursuing Soler, United should run out rule over Ferrán Torres as well - he's highly rated in the Spanish game (like Asensio and Oyarzabal when they were progressing though the ranks), plays like a mix of playmaker and traditional winger on the ball, can operate on both flanks, and has a reasonable buyout clause of just ~£20 million after he extended his contract with Valencia (hardly a prohibitive figure for one of the better Spanish talents with the likes of Sergio Gómez and Abel Ruiz). Maybe not sign him with a view to join United, but return to Valencia (who might have vacancies out wide if Soler leaves and Gonçalo Guedes isn't signed/renewed).
He's only starting out so there aren't a lot of Unbelievable Magic™ videos, but this is a decent highlight reel (uploaded a couple of weeks ago):
Based on the evidence of a lot of transfers in recent years, a young player's value can explode off the back of one or two decent seasons depending on contract renewals, so it makes sense to target elite talents who're the cusp of first team football - Torres definitely fits that mold because he's odds on to debut for Valencia in the near future and step up to the Spanish U-19 and U-21 team(s).
How do you see Soler? Are we signing him as a winger, #10, CM or a utility player? As a 10 I think Fekir would be a better option, Jorginho would be a better CM and I think Leon Bailey would be a better winger. Not sure if I would pay big money for Soler given his limited experience but if we could get Soler in a swap deal for Periera then I am all for it.
Torres seems like an exciting young talent but probably not a Jose type of signing. I think Jose would prefer signings that he can utilise straight away rather than project players. Lindelof is the only project type signing Jose has signed recently and I honestly think Jose thought he was going to be nearer to first-team football than he has shown.
The difference is Rashford could do a job but those guys are actually real wingers.
Mane and Sane were probably on the level of those guys guys you just mentioned before they joined Liverpool and City respectively. Unless Mourinho works the wrong magic on them, they will be alright.
The key will be signing a RW who could easily switch to the wide forward role in a 433, Pulisic play in that position for dortmund, so will be perfect, so Soler and Mahrez who I see as wide midfielders won't be ideal. The 10 could then drop into a deeper position if he has the defensive diligence or dropped altogether for another midfielder.
The RW could easily drop to the bench when we play 352, with Martial or Rashford joining Lukaku up front.
Btw if you think it is one or the other, what will then be the case if we play 4231?
I imagine one of Mkhitaryan or Mata would play as the 10 when we play 433, otherwise neither will get enough starts to justify being here. Pereira, Zlatan, Lingard, Fellaini, Herrera, Pogba and Rashford as potential other options/depth there.
I could also see one of Mata or Mkhitaryan leave and we sign both a playmaking 10 and a speedy RW, with Rashford backing up Lukaku and Martial up top and at LW and then Mkhitaryan/Mata backing up the 10 and RW.
We've tried Pogba as the no.10 to poor effects. His skillsets just don't fit that role, so he will likely take a place alongside Matic. Herrera, Fellaini are good backups and will get a lot of gametime in the cups, big games and will look to take advantage of injuries. Zlatan will probably not be here and the Pereira ship I think has sailed - he looks like the next De bruyne to me, but I will like him to go on another loan. As you mentioned below, one of Mata and Mkhitaryan has to leave - both preferably with Pereira drafted in - and with Martial, Rashford and Lukaku having locked down the LW and CF position, that leaves Mkhi, Lingard, RW and AM to battle for two positions. There will be injuries, there will be lose of form and there will be games where we will need to rotate, so seven players for four positions is not overkill. We will have that exact number when Zlatan rejoins. City excluding De Bruyne who plays considerably deep has the same number - it is all about squad depth. Signing upgrades for both positions will ensure we won't be back in the situation we were last month.
Exactly the way I envisage it.
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Definitely not a winger - he doesn't have the skillset of a winger in terms of nimbleness and beating his marker on a consistent basis, and trying to shoehorn him there would be a waste of his talents as an attacking midfielder. I think this a decent representation of how he operates at Valencia:
Montoya overlaps on the outside channel, and Soler drifts inwards to occupy the space behind Zaza and link up with Parejo and Kondogbia. It's not too dissimilar to how Saúl and Koke are/were used as wide midfielders by Simeone at Atlético - where they occupied the spaces behind Griezmann while linking up with the likes of Gabi and Tiago through the middle:
Wrt. where we could play Soler - that's one position, obviously. He can also play as the #10 (more in the mold of advanced central midfielders like young Baraja or João Moutinho - rather that a technically supreme orchestrator like Aimar or Silva or Özil), as a #8 box-to-box (in the mold of Aaron Ramsey if he improves his end product) and eventually as a holding midfielder when he allies improved passing ability with experience and positional nous.
As for the comparisons with Fekir/Jorginho/Bailey - they're pretty pointless because it's like comparing Koke with James/Motta/Di María - they all have divergent abilities and can be pretty effective if the team is designed to extract their best qualities. If United need an all-round versatile midfielder who has good technical capabilities, then Soler would definitely be a good acquisition because he's just starting to realize his potential. If we're signing him to be the orchestrator of our attack at his current age or stretch the flank, then he's almost definitely going to underwhelm.
Don't disagree with that rationale but I think United (as a club that needs to safeguard its interests first and foremost) should explore all avenues for improvement in the short, medium and long term. Building yourself entirely in the image of a manager who might not be here for the long term project would be rather naive, and that approach could end up costing United in 3-4 years when the top talents from the current U-17 and U-19 group are hoovered up other big clubs. e.g. Torres is already catching the attention of the likes of Madrid and Barcelona - if he signs for one of those clubs and does reasonably well, he instantly becomes unattainable (like Asensio over the last couple of years).
We already tried Zaha.
- There are five other names on there; any thoughts on my excellent first choices?
- Zaha in 2017 is not the same player as Zaha 2013; he works harder, is more of a leader for his team, his generally matured and has a better end product now then he had back then
- The Zaha of 2017 would be a far more effective option on our right wing then any of Rashford, Lingard, Mhiki or Mata
I could watch Leon Bailey play all day. The dribbling and pace and creativity is a joy to watch. I have no doubt he would end up as a fan favourite if he came to United. Malcolm looks like a good player as does Pusilic. Zaha isn't as good as the other three but he's premiership proven and we have a buyback clause so he would be the cheapest option. For Me Bailey then Malcolm then Pusilic. Another option would be Thomas Lemar. I am a huge fan of Thomas Lemar and think he could play on either wing and centrally, the only fly in the ointment is Liverpool and Arsenal have bumped up his price to stupid levels with their crazy last minute bids. Thomas Lemar at 55m to 60m would have been a great transfer but Arsenal's 92m bid has spoiled that transfer for everyone.
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