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Will do chiefThis one isn’t happening. Agent using us to drum up interest. Move on.
Will do chiefThis one isn’t happening. Agent using us to drum up interest. Move on.
This one isn’t happening. Agent using us to drum up interest. Move on.
Utd aren’t in a position to gamble, mainly due to financial constraints. They aren’t willing to pay €20m for Amrabat, a known quantity but they should pay £17m for an unknown near 25 year old? Years ago Utd could gamble on a Poborsky, or a Kleberson. Those days are gone.
it's not a gamble to pay 17m for him....he stood up quite well against the top SA teams in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil. Amrabat couldn't have.Amrabat is a known quantity in that we know he's not good enough.
i hope with new guys like Ashworth and Berrada that they see a quality young player at 24 who has a ton of potential and make the move on him. Guarantee he will be playing in europe come next month.INEOS won't let it happen that's for sure
Probably a long term Bruno replacement
Nonsense? Surely not. For 17m he’s a punt worth taking. Obviously highlight reels don’t show it all but he’s definitely got a huge engine on him and skilled sufficiently. Rest can be improved if needed.Based on highlight reels. The Caf has gotten so desperate in recent years, it’s embarrassing. I remember the days of laughing at this sort of nonsense on RAWK.
he played against the best South America had to offer in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil and more than held his own to the point of standing out agaisnt them. Small sample size or not, he's got the qualityI would be surprised if there is any substance to this rumour. He’s a late developer, and has really only come to prominence in Brazil in the last year or two. He’s only been in the Colombia squad for 12 months or so. And is 24 already.
His dribbling and work rate were standout features in Colombia’s Copa campaign. He covered well for James on the right hand side. At 17m maybe he is a previously uncovered gem, but this doesn’t have the feel of a well scouted, planned signing. Unless, Ashworth or Wilcox brought the idea in with them.
I’ll watched with interest, as I love an unexpected left field signing; but I doubt anyone other than avid watchers of Brazilian domestic football will know enough about him to say whether he’d be a potentially good signing or not. The rest of us are judging off Copa, which is a ridiculously small sample size.
The sample size is so small as to be irrelevant. You simply cannot recommend or sign a player based off 5-6 games in a tournament environment. There is no argument that can be made to suggest that is even a remotely conclusive or good idea.he played against the best South America had to offer in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil and more than held his own to the point of standing out agaisnt them. Small sample size or not, he's got the quality
how many games do you need to see someone play against high level competition to determine if the lad can play?The sample size is so small as to be irrelevant. You simply cannot recommend or sign a player based off 5-6 games in a tournament environment. There is no argument that can be made to suggest that is even a remotely conclusive or good idea.
"Being able to play" isn't a binary on/off thing though. Every player has a range at which they play in for the absolute majority of their time and extreme highs and low which happen very infrequently. You need to watch someone for months to understand what their actual range of sustained performance is, players do perform at completely unsustainable levels for multiple games.how many games do you need to see someone play against high level competition to determine if the lad can play?
it's not a gamble to pay 17m for him....he stood up quite well against the top SA teams in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil. Amrabat couldn't have.
i hope with new guys like Ashworth and Berrada that they see a quality young player at 24 who has a ton of potential and make the move on him. Guarantee he will be playing in europe come next month.
I’m not sure what sample size means, but if we can get Amrabat for something like that … the size of his samples against Croatia, Belgium, Spain, Portugal and France - Rios just couldn’t have done that.he played against the best South America had to offer in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil and more than held his own to the point of standing out agaisnt them. Small sample size or not, he's got the quality
how many games do you need to see someone play against high level competition to determine if the lad can play?
What's surprising about that?Can't take him seriously. Richard Rios? Not Ricardo? Weird parents.
we saw last season Amrabat doesn't have the quickness, legs or mobility to cut in the premier league hence why they said they won't pay that option to buy at 17mI’m not sure what sample size means, but if we can get Amrabat for something like that … the size of his samples against Croatia, Belgium, Spain, Portugal and France - Rios just couldn’t have done that.
At least a few months, but in most cases a season or two, except if it is an exceptional young talent breaking through; which Rios isn’t. It’s certainly not 5-6 games of an international tournament.
Players can be talented, but not be good enough for a certain level. Remember Ravel Morisson? Do we doubt his talent? No. Remember Arthur? He's seen as talented and he's had good stretches of great play. It's not enough to just have talent. It's not enough to have a good tournament. We've seen players have great 5-6 match stretches, and then come back to earth.we saw last season Amrabat doesn't have the quickness, legs or mobility to cut in the premier league hence why they said they won't pay that option to buy at 17m
see this is where i fundamentally don't agree....for a couple of reasons. Rios is technically a young talent just breaking thru b/c of where he came from. Also, i don't think you need to watch a guy for months or an entire season to recognize talent. If you know what you are looking for in a player, you'll either see or you don't. It doesn't take that much time and effort to know if the kid is good enough or not.
Again just my opinion.
I think he has some eye-catching attributes from his futsal background which translate well to professional football.how many games do you need to see someone play against high level competition to determine if the lad can play?
But Amrabat’s talent was plain to see for six games in the WC - he had lot’s of mobility, ran up top players, distributed the ball quickly and crisply - how can he not cut it in the PL then?we saw last season Amrabat doesn't have the quickness, legs or mobility to cut in the premier league hence why they said they won't pay that option to buy at 17m
see this is where i fundamentally don't agree....for a couple of reasons. Rios is technically a young talent just breaking thru b/c of where he came from. Also, i don't think you need to watch a guy for months or an entire season to recognize talent. If you know what you are looking for in a player, you'll either see or you don't. It doesn't take that much time and effort to know if the kid is good enough or not.
Again just my opinion.
But Amrabat’s talent was plain to see for six games in the WC - he had lot’s of mobility, ran up top players, distributed the ball quickly and crisply - how can he not cut it in the PL then?
Rios is a beast in the middle. He reminds me of another Colombian from the past, Freddy Guarin who was a machine at his peak( short one). He is more box to box than holding but defend extremely well and uses his long legs very well. He's a great dribbler and can beat the press with his skill and ability to drive forward with the ball, those long strides help him a lot. Onana type of player but better offensively. Would be a very good signing especially if we lose McTominay too, he has a knack for scoring important goals with late runs like Scott. He and Ugarte would be solid solid business.
I see your Colombian longshot wonder, and raise you Sherman Cardenas.FM legend 05-08.. had long shots switched to often, once had him as 1,2 and 3 for goal of the month and goal of the season.
I may have lost the train of who was saying what, but I believe that's exactly his point.International football is a woeful measurement of talent more often than not.
I may have lost the train of who was saying what, but I believe that's exactly his point.
But Amrabat’s talent was plain to see for six games in the WC - he had lot’s of mobility, ran up top players, distributed the ball quickly and crisply - how can he not cut it in the PL then?
International football is a woeful measurement of talent more often than not.
I may have lost the train of who was saying what, but I believe that's exactly his point.
Aye I think it is and I've only gathered that now, smart man![]()
He was never like that in Italy though. He was decent in possession and kept things ticking over. How he played for Morocco was not his usual level
Agreed. They took him on a loan to make sure they didn’t misspend more money. They aren’t going to throw £17m on an unknown quantity with a few decent Copa America games under his belt.Amrabat is a known quantity in that we know he's not good enough.
it's not a gamble to pay 17m for him....he stood up quite well against the top SA teams in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil. Amrabat couldn't have.
i hope with new guys like Ashworth and Berrada that they see a quality young player at 24 who has a ton of potential and make the move on him. Guarantee he will be playing in europe come next month.
The same was said about the Moroccan players at the World Cup, look how that went.he played against the best South America had to offer in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil and more than held his own to the point of standing out agaisnt them. Small sample size or not, he's got the quality
If true we can safely say this is a non-starter
If true we can safely say this is a non-starter
If true we can safely say this is a non-starter
What's surprising about that?
Colombia sport the likes of JAMES Rodríguez, JOHAN Mojica, JEFFERSON Lerma, JOHN Lucumí and KEVIN Castaño.
In that context the weird parents are those of Jhon Córdoba, Jhon Arias, Yerry Mina, Mateus (Matthäus) Uribe and Davinson (???) Sánchez.
Brazilian clubs almost always roll over for anyone except us.
Err if someone matches the clause there would be no need for negotiations anyway?