Great LB. Always preferred him to the players we were linked with (Shaw, Felipe, Moreno, Coentrao).
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Hit me 10 minutes before the end of the game that it could have been the same Rodriguez that this thread was referring too 
Was impressive in the brief spell I saw of him.
Was impressive in the brief spell I saw of him.
Sign him up. He's young, excellent and plays in a position where we have an overworked pensioner and a Dutch chav. It makes too much sense. Will cost a fraction of what Shaw costs too.
Hardly a "prospect" anymore, considering he was by far the best LB in the Bundesliga last season. I don't think he'll come cheap, especially after the WC.
Looked brilliant every time I've seen him. At 21 he's got years ahead of him too.
reminds me of Kolarov type of player and can be at least as good as him if he develops well, If he gets better at dribbling he can be a beasty player on the left side of the pitch.. Id like him at OT a little more than Shaw because I think its nice to have different type of fullback at each side.. weve had rafael/fabio Evra last couple of years who were pretty much dribblers, not very good crossers, I like that to have, but Rodriguez as I sadi if he develops his dribbling he can be a complete player, his crossing and ball technique is already decent, hes strong with really good positioning.. 12 years younger than evra. we really need someone at level or potential like him, not dayley blind
How many full-backs has better dribbling than him? I always thought he was an outstanding dribbler when I've got the chance to see him and his statistics back that up as well.
2.6 successful dribbles per game puts him above every player in our team. Hazard, Sterling, Suarez and Townsend are the only players in the entire Premiership with more successful dribbles per game than that.
Way cheaper than Shaw though. 80k a week more than enough for him, he hardly earns 30-40 currently. And 20 millions pound is a very generous offer to get him. In fact i think 20 millions euros(16 mil pounds) will be more than enough.
Have you seen much of him or are you basing that opinion on that one match?
And you know this how?
He's a bit of an expert
If the Shaw bid has been rejected then I'd like to think we'd go for Rodriguez. No point spending an absolute fortune.
Would be an interesting tag-line, don't you think?
Common logic i suppose. Just look at the prices in Bundesliga. How many over 20 mil euro transfers of defenders or DMs do you remember? 20 million euros is a very high amount in Germany for every player except maybe a CF.
Dante was a revelation back at Borussia M, Munich bought him for like less than 10m. Bayern also bought Gustavo for under 20 mil euros. And os on. Reus being an attacker and one of the best players in previous season cost Dortmund only 17 mil euros. So it's a reasonable assumption. Surely he is not gonna cost 27 mil pounds. That is solely PL madness.
£27million - £30million is not too much of a difference in football transfer terms, fair enough if they reject the £30million bid we should be looking at other options. Still think we'll get him, BBC reported Shaw wants the move so that might influence things in the end. They would be absolutely bonkers if they reject a £30million bid.
Yeah, but £27m is a good enough bid anyway for me. I don't really care about fees but I think £30m would be overpriced compared to other options.
Balu got me interested in him deep in to this season so I can't say I've watched an awful lot. But 6-7 matches and staying updated with his performances as I've seen him as a better option for us.
Not sure I can name a single full-back with a better offensive game than him, he's right up there while still having a good defense.
27m is insane bid as it is! Name me one full back that cost as his current as much? I mean Coentrao, probably the most expensive full back ever, cost Real around 26 mil pounds. But he was a Portugal's international and had european experience etc. And that was one, biggest, exceptional deal. 20 mil pounds for a full back is already more than anyone could ask really. I mean honestly. You look at top clubs players there most of their full backs were bought for under 10 mil easy.
Rather him than Shaw
I dont watch him as much as you apparently, but I dont
I dont apparently watch him as often as you but from what Ive seen he doesnt seem to be as agile with the ball at his feet as other smaller palyers, perhaps his stature tempt one to think hes not.. and I dont really care about statistics, carrick is statistically best CM over 3 years in premier league.. I just judge him from what I see not according some numbers.. and as I said I rate him highly and think dribbling is one of the things he can get betterin to become ultimate player.. hes certainly not better dribbler than Hazard, Suarez or Sterling.. but it really depends on what yoou see as dribbling, if it is running with the ball in space he can be good in that statistic even it depends on how this statistic is covered (when the dribble starts, does he have to go past opponent or just go forward etc)
Im not sure he'd be easy to sign. Wolfsburg have alot of financial backing and are building a strong team.
De Bruyne 17M, Gustavo 15M. Linked with 20M+ bids for Morata and Lukaku.
De Bruyne 17M, Gustavo 15M. Linked with 20M+ bids for Morata and Lukaku.
Yeah Rodriguez would also be a great signing but, it does not look like it would be a much cheaper signing than Shaw. Look at how much they got for Dzeko years ago.
Well of course if he improved his dribbling that would be great and would add to his game. But I wouldn't say it is something where the other top full-backs are better than him.
The only players who can actually win 1 vs 1's by dribbling past their players consistently in our team is Nani and Januzaj. So expecting a full-back to take their opponents on and beat them by pure dribbling without having that extra yard of pace built up as an advantage is a bit odd.
If dribbling meant making runs, receiving the ball with pace and beating his man then Rodriquez is one of the best full-backs at it. I am not sure when I last saw a full-back who actually dribbled past their opponents comfortably when standing still.
Didn't he say he'd only leave for a CL team and if that didn't happen he'd stay at Wolfsburg?
Yes he did, but Man Utd is
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eh?
Yeah, that was unfortunate, sorry.
That was result of my poor editing. It used to be "MU is not your average CL team", but then i just decided to say that we are a top club and forgot to delete "not" it would seemThis. They are in the process of building a squad worthy to play in the CL regularly and it would be extremely difficult to get one of their players. They are very ambitious and I think this year is a bit too early for any of their important players to leave. If they don't make the CL next season some might want out however.
If United can't sign players from Wolsburg then I don't know what is happening, we're constantly making all this excuses each and everytime, I mean, most of the top clubs won't have a problem getting this guy from Wolsburg, I hear this excuse everytime of ambitious club, not needing money and stuff, at the end of the day, United is a bigger club than Wolsburg and can pay bigger wages, they'll sell at the right price, they are not Bayern Munich or Real Madrid for God sake.
In that Shaw thread, he's one of the names I mentioned, if Saints reject a bid of £27m which is already a silly amount to pay for an 18yr old, then let's go for this guy, no way is he going to cost that amount and he's as good, if not better.
Clearly better I'd say, albeit older so in terms of talent it is possible that Shaw may edge it.
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The reason why we're going for Shaw and not this guy is the home-grown rules. We're not exactly blessed with loads anymore and especially if we let the likes of Cleverley or Fletcher leave this summer.
I dont see why he'd cost less than £27 million. Yes he's better than Shaw, thats why any top club would take him
Even if those 2 leave we still have plenty. The minimum requirement is 8 and we have (even if one discounts Cleverley, Young and Fletcher) :
Evans, Jonathan Grant
Smalling, Christopher
Rooney, Wayne Mark
Welbeck, Daniel
Pereira da Silva, Rafael
Amos, Benjamin Paul
Carrick, Michael
Jones, Philip Anthony
Januzaj, Adnan
Not to mention we have some reserve academy players ready to step up into the first team squad :
Johnston, Samuel Luke
Keane, Michael Vincent
Wilson, James Anthony
Pereira, Andreas Hugo Hoelgebaum
Lawrence, Thomas Morris
Also Zaha, Powell, Lingard will be returning.
We will be more than fine in the homegrown rule department.
Shaw probably comes with the usual "British" tax. From the looks of it, he'll be sold for no less than 30mil. That is world record money for a left-back by some distance, and I am pretty sure we can seriously test Wolfsburg's resolve for less than that. Wealthy club owner or not, that's seriously good business.
Add to that Rodriguez's international experience, and probably a much lower wage demand, I don't see why we shouldn't even try.
Add to that Rodriguez's international experience, and probably a much lower wage demand, I don't see why we shouldn't even try.
Amos will leave this summer, leaving us with 8 players...which is the minimum. If Carrick leaves next summer we'll be below the limit, hence why we're predominately interested in Shaw rather than anyone else. As for the Academy lads, they've all a lot to do before they can be considered fully fledged squad members... Pereira especially. We obviously want to keep our English identity. Shaw could well be a big part of that.
He's 21 and younger doesn't always mean more talented. He's as talented as Shaw and has as much room to improve too.
How good is he defensively? You see people ripping into Baines on here because he was left 2 against 1 for most of the match against Italy but it seems this guy has no issue going forward but do any regular watchers of him know about his defensive game?
Shaw isn't anything special going forward is he? Rodriguez is the real deal. He would be a beast for us down that left.