Existing system seems fine lads.
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I have not received any PM from IBleedRed on his line-up, tactics and player profiles.
I will PM him and extend 12 hours grace.
If I have nothing by 2359 hours, the match and 3 points will be awarded by walkover to Team K Stand Knut
So far, I am impressed by the effort and details the managers have gone into. With the research and information you all have done, it will be cumbersome to send through several PMs. You guys can post updates to your line-up, tactics and player profiles in this thread for future matches =)
I will PM him and extend 12 hours grace.
If I have nothing by 2359 hours, the match and 3 points will be awarded by walkover to Team K Stand Knut
So far, I am impressed by the effort and details the managers have gone into. With the research and information you all have done, it will be cumbersome to send through several PMs. You guys can post updates to your line-up, tactics and player profiles in this thread for future matches =)
Im working on my tactics now
I'll send you mine in a hour or so, couldn't get footballuser to work yesterday
Lothar Matthaus: World Cup winning captain, Ballon d'Or: 1990, FIFA World Player of the Year: 1991, 7 Bundesliga titles and 1 Serie A he is the heart of my midfield
Ian Rush: European cup winning captain, 5 English titles, and European golden boot winner he is the spearhead my attack
Giuseppe Bergomi: With over 500 games for Inter and more than 80 caps for Italy he is one of the greatest defenders of all time able to play as a cb or rb with ease
José Mari Bakero: European cup winning captain with Barcelona and 30 caps for Spain. He won the Spanish league 6 times, twice with Real Sociedad.
Guido Buchwald: 2 time Bundesliga champion with Stuttgart and 1990 World Cup winner with Germany. He won over 70 caps for his country and featured in over 600 games in club football.
Eusebio Sacristan: European cup winner and 4 time Spanish league champion with Barcelona. He played over 500 games in the Spanish league over 200 of which for Barcelona and was capped 15 times for Spain.
Aron Winter: Euro 88 champion he has over 80 caps for the Netherlands. Winter won the Dutch league twice with Ajax and played over 200 games in Italy for Lazio and Inter winning the UEFA cup with Inter in 1998.
Jesper Olsen: This former Man United player won 2 Eredivisie titles and later the FA cup in 1985 with United. He was capped over 40 times for Denmark and played over 400 club games.
Sebastiano Rossi: 1994 Champions league winner and 5 time Serie A champion. He played in the legendary Milan team appearing 240 times for the Rossoneri.
Berry Van Aerle: European Cup winner with PSV in 1988 and winner of Euro 88 with the Netherlands. He was capped 35 times for his country and played close to 300 games for PSV winning the Dutch league 5 times.
Sonny Silooy: Champions league winner in 1995 he appeared over 260 times for Ajax winning the Dutch league 6 times. He was capped by his country 25 times.
Roland Wohlfarth: He appeared over 250 times for Bayern Munich and he won the Bundesliga in 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989 and 1990, as well as DFB Cup winners in 1986. In the final of the 1986 DFB Cup Wohlfarth got three goals in the 5–2 victory against VfB Stuttgart, with Bayern Munich seen as heroic cup winners. He was the top scorer in the Bundesliga in 1989 and 1991.
Tactics:
The fullbacks are encouraged to push forward to provide width and Winter will occupy the holding role to support the defense especially when the fullbacks attack. In the center of the pitch Matthaus and Sacristan will control middle of the field with Bakero able to push forward and support the strikers. The strike power of Rush and Wohlfarth should be more than enough for most defenses to handle.
Subs Jesper Olsen
Ian Rush: European cup winning captain, 5 English titles, and European golden boot winner he is the spearhead my attack
Giuseppe Bergomi: With over 500 games for Inter and more than 80 caps for Italy he is one of the greatest defenders of all time able to play as a cb or rb with ease
José Mari Bakero: European cup winning captain with Barcelona and 30 caps for Spain. He won the Spanish league 6 times, twice with Real Sociedad.
Guido Buchwald: 2 time Bundesliga champion with Stuttgart and 1990 World Cup winner with Germany. He won over 70 caps for his country and featured in over 600 games in club football.
Eusebio Sacristan: European cup winner and 4 time Spanish league champion with Barcelona. He played over 500 games in the Spanish league over 200 of which for Barcelona and was capped 15 times for Spain.
Aron Winter: Euro 88 champion he has over 80 caps for the Netherlands. Winter won the Dutch league twice with Ajax and played over 200 games in Italy for Lazio and Inter winning the UEFA cup with Inter in 1998.
Jesper Olsen: This former Man United player won 2 Eredivisie titles and later the FA cup in 1985 with United. He was capped over 40 times for Denmark and played over 400 club games.
Sebastiano Rossi: 1994 Champions league winner and 5 time Serie A champion. He played in the legendary Milan team appearing 240 times for the Rossoneri.
Berry Van Aerle: European Cup winner with PSV in 1988 and winner of Euro 88 with the Netherlands. He was capped 35 times for his country and played close to 300 games for PSV winning the Dutch league 5 times.
Sonny Silooy: Champions league winner in 1995 he appeared over 260 times for Ajax winning the Dutch league 6 times. He was capped by his country 25 times.
Roland Wohlfarth: He appeared over 250 times for Bayern Munich and he won the Bundesliga in 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989 and 1990, as well as DFB Cup winners in 1986. In the final of the 1986 DFB Cup Wohlfarth got three goals in the 5–2 victory against VfB Stuttgart, with Bayern Munich seen as heroic cup winners. He was the top scorer in the Bundesliga in 1989 and 1991.
Tactics:
The fullbacks are encouraged to push forward to provide width and Winter will occupy the holding role to support the defense especially when the fullbacks attack. In the center of the pitch Matthaus and Sacristan will control middle of the field with Bakero able to push forward and support the strikers. The strike power of Rush and Wohlfarth should be more than enough for most defenses to handle.
Subs Jesper Olsen
Group C and D games are now all on
As I have said earlier, the managers have done a lot of homework on their players and I am impressed by their efforts
There are several players oddly out of positions though, which surely compromises their ability to contribute to the team. It is up to the opposition manager to find and exploit them
As I have said earlier, the managers have done a lot of homework on their players and I am impressed by their efforts
There are several players oddly out of positions though, which surely compromises their ability to contribute to the team. It is up to the opposition manager to find and exploit them
Matchday 3 will be tomorrow
Managers of teams in Group A and B, please post updates to your line-ups/tactics/player profiles here in this thread. If there is no update by 1500 hours tomorrow, I will assume that you are using the same line-up, tactics and player profiles from Matchday 1. Thanks
Managers of teams in Group A and B, please post updates to your line-ups/tactics/player profiles here in this thread. If there is no update by 1500 hours tomorrow, I will assume that you are using the same line-up, tactics and player profiles from Matchday 1. Thanks
Updated formation for match 2:
Illgner - One of the best keepers in the 90s, World Cup 90 winner with Germany and double CL winner with Real Madrid.
Berg - One of the only players to have won the PL with 2 different clubs, a regular in our Treble season.
Helmer - Euro 96 winner, 68 caps for Germany and multiple Bundesliga winner.
Sensini - Key player for Lazio winning the Serie A in 99/00. 59 caps for Argentina.
Branco - 72 caps for Brazil during an era where Brazil were the top team - World Cup 94 winner.
Redondo - Triple CL winner with Real Madrid, one of the best DM ever...
Moller - World Cup 90 & Euro 96 winner, as well as the CL with Dortmund.
Boban - Croatia's best ever player. CL winner and multiple Serie A with Milan.
McClair - A big part of the United return to glory in the early 90s, 4 Premier League winner medals.
Baggio - One step away from emulating what Maradona did in 1986. He score 5 out of the 6 goals Italy scored in the knockout stage in the 94 World Cup. Simply one of the best...
Careca - Part of the Napoli team that broke the Milan domination of Serie A, 60 caps for Brazil.
Illgner - One of the best keepers in the 90s, World Cup 90 winner with Germany and double CL winner with Real Madrid.
Berg - One of the only players to have won the PL with 2 different clubs, a regular in our Treble season.
Helmer - Euro 96 winner, 68 caps for Germany and multiple Bundesliga winner.
Sensini - Key player for Lazio winning the Serie A in 99/00. 59 caps for Argentina.
Branco - 72 caps for Brazil during an era where Brazil were the top team - World Cup 94 winner.
Redondo - Triple CL winner with Real Madrid, one of the best DM ever...
Moller - World Cup 90 & Euro 96 winner, as well as the CL with Dortmund.
Boban - Croatia's best ever player. CL winner and multiple Serie A with Milan.
McClair - A big part of the United return to glory in the early 90s, 4 Premier League winner medals.
Baggio - One step away from emulating what Maradona did in 1986. He score 5 out of the 6 goals Italy scored in the knockout stage in the 94 World Cup. Simply one of the best...
Careca - Part of the Napoli team that broke the Milan domination of Serie A, 60 caps for Brazil.
Group Standings
Group A
Team Brwned 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt
Team KM 0 pt
Group B
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team kps88 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 0 pt
Team Cal? 0 pt
Group C
Team K Stand Knut 3 pts
Team Polaroid 3 pts
Team Ralaks 0 pt
Team IBleedRed 0 pt
Group D
Team Gio 3 pts
Team Brian GB 3 pts
Team Crustanoid 0 pt
Team Snow 0 pt
Group A
Team Brwned 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt
Team KM 0 pt
Group B
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team kps88 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 0 pt
Team Cal? 0 pt
Group C
Team K Stand Knut 3 pts
Team Polaroid 3 pts
Team Ralaks 0 pt
Team IBleedRed 0 pt
Group D
Team Gio 3 pts
Team Brian GB 3 pts
Team Crustanoid 0 pt
Team Snow 0 pt
My Team's notes:
Taffarel: An excellent keeper who was an ever present during Brazil's 1994 and 1998 WC Campaigns. Was also in goal for the Galatasaray side that beat Arsenal on penalties in the 1999 UEFA Cup Final, where he saved two penalties. His distribution, shot-stopping and command of his area were all first class and I'm going to rely on his ability to set attacks moving quickly with his excellent throwing.
Jorginho - A marauding full back in a long tradition of attacking Brazilian full backs, who can get forward and act as an extra outlet for the likes of Lineker to feed off. Pacy and has excellent crossing ability, he was an ever present during Brazil's successful 94 World Cup campaign. His penetrating runs from deep were difficult to pick up and contributed immensely to Brazil's attacking potency. Not a bad defender either.
Alessandro Costacurta - What more can be said about 'Billy' Costacurta? A centre-half of rare poise and elegance, he formed a part of the legendary Milan defence of the early 90s, partnering Baresi in the centre. His trademark ability to read the game well before his opponent as well as his anticipation and judgement of situations set him apart as one of the greatest defenders of his era. Class personified. A winner of 7 Scudetti and 5 European Cups with Milan, he has etched a place in Rossoneri hearts for life.
Nikolay Iliev - A mainstay in the Bulgarian side that reached the semis of the 94 World Cup, Iliev was a defender ahead of his time. An underrated 'footballing' defender who had the nous to bring the ball out of the back, he's often thought of as the best Bulgarian player ever to play in Serie A after enjoying a successful spell with Bologna during the late eighties. He will complement Costacurta well in defence.
Luigi Di Agostini - A rather more conservative full back compared to Jorginho, he also has the ability to play as a centre-half. Noted for his reading of the game, he enjoyed a successful spell with Juventus during the late 80's-early 90's where he won the UEFA Cup and the Italian Cup.
Matthias Sammer - Outstanding footballer, a former European Player of the Year after leading Germany to success in Euro 96. A player whose main job was to play as a 'libero', he had a knack of getting forward from midfield and scoring crucial goals while acting as a lynchpin for the team. He will be tasked with the job of dominating the midfield area and setting off attacks.
Jan Wouters - Wouters. The name is synonymous with an uncompromising, ruthless midfielder. His tackling ability in the middle of the park is essential in this system, in order to turn over possession as much as possible to give the likes of Burruchaga and Beardsley freedom to cause havoc in the final third. Played a significant role in the Netherlands' successful 1988 European Championship campaign, his ability on the ball was far from shabby but his ruthless streak in midfield is really what sets him apart.
Jorge Burruchaga - An attacking midfielder in possession of craft, intelligence and a shedload of ability. Burruchaga's role in the successful Mexico 86 WC for Argentina is often overlooked, due to the presence of a superhuman on his side. Argentinian footballing circles acknowledge the foil the likes of him, Giusti, Valdano, Pumpido and Ruggeri provided for Maradona during that campaign. Burruchaga's vision will be key to unlocking defences in this system.
Peter Beardsley - A very 'un-English' footballer. A product of the famous Wallsend Boys Club, Beardsley's ability as a footballer quickly became noticed by sides up and down the country. He is well-known for his spell at Liverpool where he won the League twice and the FA Cup once. Beardsley primarily operated between the lines with an eye for a pass and goal. His ability to manipulate the ball is key to getting Lineker in, but he'll chip in with a fair few goals himself.
Aleksandr Mostovoi - Known as 'The Tsar of Balaidos', Mostovoi's underrated and somewhat temperamental creative genius set him apart from his contemporaries. A joy to watch in Strasbourg and Celta sides of the late 90s. The three of Mostovi, Beardsley and Burruchaga are more than adept at operating between the lines, dropping off and causing havoc.
Gary Lineker - Nothing much needs to be said about this man. A poacher par extraordinaire, whose intelligent positioning and movement got him his goals. Won the English Golden Boot with 3 different clubs and 48 goals in 80 for England is far from a shabby record.
Subs:
Txiki Bergaristain - A winger who could also play as an attacking midfielder, can stretch defences when coming on. Played a prominent role in Barca's European Cup winning 'Dream Team'.
Taffarel: An excellent keeper who was an ever present during Brazil's 1994 and 1998 WC Campaigns. Was also in goal for the Galatasaray side that beat Arsenal on penalties in the 1999 UEFA Cup Final, where he saved two penalties. His distribution, shot-stopping and command of his area were all first class and I'm going to rely on his ability to set attacks moving quickly with his excellent throwing.
Jorginho - A marauding full back in a long tradition of attacking Brazilian full backs, who can get forward and act as an extra outlet for the likes of Lineker to feed off. Pacy and has excellent crossing ability, he was an ever present during Brazil's successful 94 World Cup campaign. His penetrating runs from deep were difficult to pick up and contributed immensely to Brazil's attacking potency. Not a bad defender either.
Alessandro Costacurta - What more can be said about 'Billy' Costacurta? A centre-half of rare poise and elegance, he formed a part of the legendary Milan defence of the early 90s, partnering Baresi in the centre. His trademark ability to read the game well before his opponent as well as his anticipation and judgement of situations set him apart as one of the greatest defenders of his era. Class personified. A winner of 7 Scudetti and 5 European Cups with Milan, he has etched a place in Rossoneri hearts for life.
Nikolay Iliev - A mainstay in the Bulgarian side that reached the semis of the 94 World Cup, Iliev was a defender ahead of his time. An underrated 'footballing' defender who had the nous to bring the ball out of the back, he's often thought of as the best Bulgarian player ever to play in Serie A after enjoying a successful spell with Bologna during the late eighties. He will complement Costacurta well in defence.
Luigi Di Agostini - A rather more conservative full back compared to Jorginho, he also has the ability to play as a centre-half. Noted for his reading of the game, he enjoyed a successful spell with Juventus during the late 80's-early 90's where he won the UEFA Cup and the Italian Cup.
Matthias Sammer - Outstanding footballer, a former European Player of the Year after leading Germany to success in Euro 96. A player whose main job was to play as a 'libero', he had a knack of getting forward from midfield and scoring crucial goals while acting as a lynchpin for the team. He will be tasked with the job of dominating the midfield area and setting off attacks.
Jan Wouters - Wouters. The name is synonymous with an uncompromising, ruthless midfielder. His tackling ability in the middle of the park is essential in this system, in order to turn over possession as much as possible to give the likes of Burruchaga and Beardsley freedom to cause havoc in the final third. Played a significant role in the Netherlands' successful 1988 European Championship campaign, his ability on the ball was far from shabby but his ruthless streak in midfield is really what sets him apart.
Jorge Burruchaga - An attacking midfielder in possession of craft, intelligence and a shedload of ability. Burruchaga's role in the successful Mexico 86 WC for Argentina is often overlooked, due to the presence of a superhuman on his side. Argentinian footballing circles acknowledge the foil the likes of him, Giusti, Valdano, Pumpido and Ruggeri provided for Maradona during that campaign. Burruchaga's vision will be key to unlocking defences in this system.
Peter Beardsley - A very 'un-English' footballer. A product of the famous Wallsend Boys Club, Beardsley's ability as a footballer quickly became noticed by sides up and down the country. He is well-known for his spell at Liverpool where he won the League twice and the FA Cup once. Beardsley primarily operated between the lines with an eye for a pass and goal. His ability to manipulate the ball is key to getting Lineker in, but he'll chip in with a fair few goals himself.
Aleksandr Mostovoi - Known as 'The Tsar of Balaidos', Mostovoi's underrated and somewhat temperamental creative genius set him apart from his contemporaries. A joy to watch in Strasbourg and Celta sides of the late 90s. The three of Mostovi, Beardsley and Burruchaga are more than adept at operating between the lines, dropping off and causing havoc.
Gary Lineker - Nothing much needs to be said about this man. A poacher par extraordinaire, whose intelligent positioning and movement got him his goals. Won the English Golden Boot with 3 different clubs and 48 goals in 80 for England is far from a shabby record.
Subs:
Txiki Bergaristain - A winger who could also play as an attacking midfielder, can stretch defences when coming on. Played a prominent role in Barca's European Cup winning 'Dream Team'.
One of the 4 threads had 12 votes and another had 23. That's not right.
Any suggestions? it would be good to have more votes as long as they are informed votes made with knowledge of these players and consideration of both teams' merits.
Matchday 3 will kick off around 1500 hours today
Matchday 4 will be tomorrow. Managers of groups C and D please post any updates to your line-up/tactics/player profiles here in this thread by 1200 hours tomorrow. If there is no update, I will assume that you are using the same line-up, tactics and player profiles from your previous match. Thanks
Matchday 4 will be tomorrow. Managers of groups C and D please post any updates to your line-up/tactics/player profiles here in this thread by 1200 hours tomorrow. If there is no update, I will assume that you are using the same line-up, tactics and player profiles from your previous match. Thanks
Kopke – Without question one of the heroes of Euro 96, conceding no goals in the group stages and showing off his penalty-saving skills in the semis against England. A truly dominant keeper in his prime. German footballer of the year in ’93 and known to have been the better keeper in the Bundesliga than his compatriot Illgner, might he have been rated even higher if he got his (rightful) place in the German sides in the early 90s?
Myung-Bo – All-time record appearance holder for South Korea, played every game in all four World Cups, captained his side to 4th place and won the award for third best player at that World Cup…I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s considered up there with the best Asian players to play the game. Undisputed leader of that South Korea defence in ’02 which only conceded 3 goals in 6 games following their semi-final loss. A very capable and intelligent ball-player and supremely useful in organising the backline and reading the game, just an ultra-reliable player.
Desailly – A dominant force regardless of where he played on the pitch, supreme reader of the game with the physique to frighten any opposition attacker. Not only did he win consecutive finals but he did so while being one of the best players on the pitch in two completely different positions, showing off his great range of skills which was summed up in his powerful burst through the middle and delicate finish for the goal in the ’94 final. Alongside Blanc in 30-something games France never lost a game. Both were huge parts of one of the best international defences to exist in ’98.
Blind – Complimenting Le Rock much in the same way Blanc did, oozing composure and class. A very capable ball player and a very dependable leader on the pitch, the theme of leadership is clear. Won the CL final in ’95 very ably shutting out Massaro, Donadoni, Boban and co. who had the year previously taken apart Cruyff’s dream team…although they were missing Savicevic this time.
Benarrivo – Tasked with providing most of my width and penetrative running in the team, and he absolutely relishes such a role. Quick and direct, he could turn defence into attack in seconds with his ball-carrying ability. Well renowned but up against Maldini on one side and Bergomi on the other, he never really got a chance to show his true quality on the big stage often enough. When he did get his chance he didn’t let Italy down, being an ever-present in the ’94 side that got to the final.
Rijkaard – Composed on the ball and ferocious off it, this man could do it all. Intelligent passer, always comfortable on the ball, physically imposing, strong in the air, quick across the ground and a dominant ball-winner – simply one of the best midfielders to play the game. At his peak of around 88-90, he was just a step above the rest.
Jonk – Lining up alongside his compatriot, he’ll be here to just keep things ticking along with his smart passing game and tireless running. Together they provide a very solid base at the heart of midfield with both capable of opening up the game with incisive passing or closing it down with intelligent positional play. A couple of penalty kicks away from going to the World Cup final in ’98 and he was a vital, if understated, part of them getting there.
Basler – Always helps to have a set-piece expert in your side and he unquestionably was one. Not blessed with the greatest physical gifts but a wonderful technician who could strike the ball beautifully. Frequently referred to as a genius. In his time at Bremen he scored 36 goals in 92 Bundesliga appearances and won top scorer in ’95 which is a tremendous record for a wide player, and a welcome source of goals in this side.
Stojkovic – A genius with the ball, master technician who could pick a player out from anywhere on the pitch with a deft flick or a drilled long ball. My creative hub and the one player who’ll be relied on to dictate the play. Scored just under a goal every two games at Red Star as he made it undisputable he was the best player in the league, but sadly never got to show off his true greatness as injury wrecked his Marseille career when he could have been playing against his old side to win the ’93 CL.
Savicevic – Yet another genius, a magician with his dribbling and boundless creativity. Played for Red Star for 4 years and was a big influence in them winning three consecutive league titles, two national cups and of course the European Cup. Following the European Cup win he was named 2nd in the Ballon D’or. Went on to win even more trophies at Milan with his crowning moment being the unforgettable chip over Zubizaretta and throughout the game he was a constant threat. Largely off the back of this game he was shortlisted for the Ballon D’or, making it into the top 10 in joint 9th alongside his team-mate Desailly.
Vialli - Lightning acceleration mixed with predatory movement made him tremendously hard to pin down and made him the most expensive player in the world in '92, following his key participation in Sampdoria's most successful spell in history, during which he hit over 20 goals in 3 of his last 4 seasons there. Along with his impressive individual play he was a very able strike partner, linking up well in and around the box and frequently showing an selfless side to his game that's always useful in an attacker.
Substitute
Hughes – A big game player and a nightmare for any defender, Sparky needs no description on a United forum. Undisputed legend and one of the heroes of the side in the 80s and early 90s. Can add a bit of pure brute force to the team and gives it a terrific target-man.
Matchday 4 will kick off today around 1200 hours. Managers of groups C and D please post any updates to your line-up/tactics/player profiles here in this thread by then. If there is no update, I will assume that you are using the same line-up, tactics and player profiles from your previous match. You can also make changes to the team and tactics during the course of the match.
Tweaking the last matches tactics slightly (I assume I am playing Snow?).
Overall approach
This is a dynamic, attacking team with a strong core. Given that this competition is based on players who operated in teams which thrived in the 80s and 90s, one has to consider the most appropriate style of play for them to succeed in. This XI attempts to provide the style, panache, grit and attacking strength of 90’s United with the tactical and technical merits of the overseas players who have been incorporated into the team. Imagine United if we had managed to step up that level in Europe in the early 90s. The main focal point of the team play is the dribbling magician, Gheorghe Hagi, one of the greatest attacking players of all time. The flanks, with expert dribblers and crossers of the ball Futre and Kostadinov, supplemented by highly effective fullbacks are additionally important in providing the bullets for The Vulture, Emilo Butragueno, up front. There is a goalscoring threat right the way through the team – even the central midfielder Scifo is a massive threat in getting forward and hitting the target. When attacking at any time, there are up to 6-7 players capable of hurting the opposition. However, the strong core of Schmeichel with Ferrara and Radebe in front of him, and Batista in front of them, provides the type of defensive cover required to keep opposition at bay when defending. The plan therefore is to go for goals and then to bring on Norman Whiteside, the sub to shore things up to make a three in midfield, with Futre making way and Hagi operating more on the left.
Players
Peter Schmeichel (GK)
What can I say? Teams with shit-hot keepers win things – just look at United’s peaks and troughs over the past 20 years and so and correlate them to who was in net. And it just so happens that Schmeichel was one of the best ever. With his presence between the sticks any defence would be more effective and mine is pretty damn effective to start with.
Josimar (RB)
Josimar’s fire burned bright, particularly on the greatest stage during Mexico 86. A dynamic right back, he will get forward whenever possible and produce moments like this: Josimar, Brazil vs Northern Ireland - YouTube and especially this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQXP...eature=related.
Bixente Lizarazu (LB)
One of the greatest left backs ever. Do a straw poll of fans and ask them to produce an all-time XI and his name would come up regularly. With Lizarazu causing similar levels of misery to the opposition as Josimar on the other flank, the full backs are of great importance in this dynamic team.
Ciro Ferrara (CB)
Italy was blessed with a stupendous depth of quality in terms of central defenders in the time period covered by this competition. Of course, Maldini and Baresi are going to be picked early on in such a draft, but I’m pleased to be able to incorporate Ciro Ferrara, a rock and leader for the dominant Juventus team in the mid 90s, and the ever-strong Italian national team (49 caps in the 90s), and also one of the most decorated players ever. Played in front of Schmeichel, he acts as his defensive lieutenant in the same mould as Stam, protecting the goal and marshalling the defence.
Lucas Radebe (CB)
To partner Ferrara, an equally imposing figure, who in his prime was an excellent passer and possessed good pace for a centre back. Internationally, he was pivotal in South Africa’s success.
Sergio Batista (CM)
It is a commonly held myth amongst those too young to remember the 1986 WC that the winners were Maradona and 10 anonymous, rather crap players. This is tripe. In order for Maradona to have the freedom to play to his strengths, the midfield behind him were organised, tactically sound, strong in the tackle and could also play a bit. Every team built on flair requires hardworking graft and Batista had that in abundance.
Enzo Scifo (CM)
Playing as a central midfielder, Scifo played in 4 world cups and was a major part of little Belgium’s run to 4th place in 1986 (They were also a minute away from pens against England in 1990). His vision, creativity and passing, plus a keen eye for goal make him a threat from deep in this lineup.
Emil Kostadinov (RM)
Anyone who saw them will agree that Bulgaria’s 1994 team were a joy to watch, and operating on the opposite flank to the legend Stoichkov was winger named Kostadinov with an excellent cross and pace in abundance. He adds width to this impressive front 6.
Paolo Futre (LM)
This lineup involves playing two flying wingers in Kostadinov and Futre with Hagi operating behind Butragueno in the centre. Futre at his peak in the late 80s and early 90s was very much in the mould of young Giggsy or Ronaldo – slight, quick, excellent at dribbling (and constantly winning free kicks because of it) and scored some cracking goals.)
Gheorghe Hagi (FW)
An immensely talented attacking player and the talisman of the Romanian team, I’d be surprised if even the youngest of posters hasn’t seen youtube clips of him. Nicknamed ‘the Maradona of the Carpathians’, he had everything, fantastic dribbler, passing, brilliant striker of the ball, he is the creative fulcrum of this side, with licence to roam between the midfield and attack, playing off The Vulture in the centre. Also a massive threat from free kicks and long range shots.
Emilio Butragueno (ST)
You don’t get too many genuine expert-poachers these days. The 80’s seemed to be full of them, Lineker, Rush, Elkjaer, Careca, Rossi, Voeller, Alobelli etc. The Vulture was different as he played as an effective poacher for Spain, yet did an excellent all round job supporting Jorge Valdano and Hugo Sanchez for Real. He was lethal in front of goal – his 4 goal massacre of the 86 tournament’s (previously thought of) best team, Denmark is a case in point. And that is precisely his job in this team. His intelligent movement and predatory instinct can be used to the maximum effect by feeding off Hagi’s wizadry...and Kostadinov’s crosses, and Josimar and Lizarazu...not to mention Scifo, Futre.....
Sub: Norman Whiteside
Big Norm’s peal in the early 80’s was like something from Roy of the Rovers. United’s youngest ever goalscorer at a week past 17, he had scored in both League and FA cup finals (when they meant something) within a year and also became the youngest player to play in a world cup finals match. Equally adept at controlling the game in midfield (both SAF and Big Ron would use him to do this) or getting forward to score important goals he provides a physical presence in the heart of this XI.
Overall approach
This is a dynamic, attacking team with a strong core. Given that this competition is based on players who operated in teams which thrived in the 80s and 90s, one has to consider the most appropriate style of play for them to succeed in. This XI attempts to provide the style, panache, grit and attacking strength of 90’s United with the tactical and technical merits of the overseas players who have been incorporated into the team. Imagine United if we had managed to step up that level in Europe in the early 90s. The main focal point of the team play is the dribbling magician, Gheorghe Hagi, one of the greatest attacking players of all time. The flanks, with expert dribblers and crossers of the ball Futre and Kostadinov, supplemented by highly effective fullbacks are additionally important in providing the bullets for The Vulture, Emilo Butragueno, up front. There is a goalscoring threat right the way through the team – even the central midfielder Scifo is a massive threat in getting forward and hitting the target. When attacking at any time, there are up to 6-7 players capable of hurting the opposition. However, the strong core of Schmeichel with Ferrara and Radebe in front of him, and Batista in front of them, provides the type of defensive cover required to keep opposition at bay when defending. The plan therefore is to go for goals and then to bring on Norman Whiteside, the sub to shore things up to make a three in midfield, with Futre making way and Hagi operating more on the left.
Players
Peter Schmeichel (GK)
What can I say? Teams with shit-hot keepers win things – just look at United’s peaks and troughs over the past 20 years and so and correlate them to who was in net. And it just so happens that Schmeichel was one of the best ever. With his presence between the sticks any defence would be more effective and mine is pretty damn effective to start with.
Josimar (RB)
Josimar’s fire burned bright, particularly on the greatest stage during Mexico 86. A dynamic right back, he will get forward whenever possible and produce moments like this: Josimar, Brazil vs Northern Ireland - YouTube and especially this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQXP...eature=related.
Bixente Lizarazu (LB)
One of the greatest left backs ever. Do a straw poll of fans and ask them to produce an all-time XI and his name would come up regularly. With Lizarazu causing similar levels of misery to the opposition as Josimar on the other flank, the full backs are of great importance in this dynamic team.
Ciro Ferrara (CB)
Italy was blessed with a stupendous depth of quality in terms of central defenders in the time period covered by this competition. Of course, Maldini and Baresi are going to be picked early on in such a draft, but I’m pleased to be able to incorporate Ciro Ferrara, a rock and leader for the dominant Juventus team in the mid 90s, and the ever-strong Italian national team (49 caps in the 90s), and also one of the most decorated players ever. Played in front of Schmeichel, he acts as his defensive lieutenant in the same mould as Stam, protecting the goal and marshalling the defence.
Lucas Radebe (CB)
To partner Ferrara, an equally imposing figure, who in his prime was an excellent passer and possessed good pace for a centre back. Internationally, he was pivotal in South Africa’s success.
Sergio Batista (CM)
It is a commonly held myth amongst those too young to remember the 1986 WC that the winners were Maradona and 10 anonymous, rather crap players. This is tripe. In order for Maradona to have the freedom to play to his strengths, the midfield behind him were organised, tactically sound, strong in the tackle and could also play a bit. Every team built on flair requires hardworking graft and Batista had that in abundance.
Enzo Scifo (CM)
Playing as a central midfielder, Scifo played in 4 world cups and was a major part of little Belgium’s run to 4th place in 1986 (They were also a minute away from pens against England in 1990). His vision, creativity and passing, plus a keen eye for goal make him a threat from deep in this lineup.
Emil Kostadinov (RM)
Anyone who saw them will agree that Bulgaria’s 1994 team were a joy to watch, and operating on the opposite flank to the legend Stoichkov was winger named Kostadinov with an excellent cross and pace in abundance. He adds width to this impressive front 6.
Paolo Futre (LM)
This lineup involves playing two flying wingers in Kostadinov and Futre with Hagi operating behind Butragueno in the centre. Futre at his peak in the late 80s and early 90s was very much in the mould of young Giggsy or Ronaldo – slight, quick, excellent at dribbling (and constantly winning free kicks because of it) and scored some cracking goals.)
Gheorghe Hagi (FW)
An immensely talented attacking player and the talisman of the Romanian team, I’d be surprised if even the youngest of posters hasn’t seen youtube clips of him. Nicknamed ‘the Maradona of the Carpathians’, he had everything, fantastic dribbler, passing, brilliant striker of the ball, he is the creative fulcrum of this side, with licence to roam between the midfield and attack, playing off The Vulture in the centre. Also a massive threat from free kicks and long range shots.
Emilio Butragueno (ST)
You don’t get too many genuine expert-poachers these days. The 80’s seemed to be full of them, Lineker, Rush, Elkjaer, Careca, Rossi, Voeller, Alobelli etc. The Vulture was different as he played as an effective poacher for Spain, yet did an excellent all round job supporting Jorge Valdano and Hugo Sanchez for Real. He was lethal in front of goal – his 4 goal massacre of the 86 tournament’s (previously thought of) best team, Denmark is a case in point. And that is precisely his job in this team. His intelligent movement and predatory instinct can be used to the maximum effect by feeding off Hagi’s wizadry...and Kostadinov’s crosses, and Josimar and Lizarazu...not to mention Scifo, Futre.....
Sub: Norman Whiteside
Big Norm’s peal in the early 80’s was like something from Roy of the Rovers. United’s youngest ever goalscorer at a week past 17, he had scored in both League and FA cup finals (when they meant something) within a year and also became the youngest player to play in a world cup finals match. Equally adept at controlling the game in midfield (both SAF and Big Ron would use him to do this) or getting forward to score important goals he provides a physical presence in the heart of this XI.
Crustanoid, you are playing Gio. Any reshuffle you wish to make?
Matchday 4 will be kicking off in 30 min
Group C match 1 at Athens Olympic Stadium - Team Polaroid vs Team IBleedRed
Group C match 2 at Emirates Stadium - Team Ralaks vs Team K Stand Knut
Group D match 1 at Stadio San Paolo - Team Gio vs Team Crustanoid
Group D match 2 at Stade Vélodrome - Team Snow vs Team Team Brian GB
Matchday 5 tomorrow
Group A match 1 at Allianz Arena - Team Brwned vs Team DanNistelrooy
Group A match 2 at Estádio da Luz - Team KM vs Team Desert Eagle
Group B match 1 at Amsterdam Arena - Team TheHorse'sMouth vs Team Cal?
Group B match 2 at Hampden Park - Team Nani Nana vs Team kps88
Managers of teams playing on Matchday 4, please post any updates by 1200 hours tomorrow
Matchday 4 will be kicking off in 30 min
Group C match 1 at Athens Olympic Stadium - Team Polaroid vs Team IBleedRed
Group C match 2 at Emirates Stadium - Team Ralaks vs Team K Stand Knut
Group D match 1 at Stadio San Paolo - Team Gio vs Team Crustanoid
Group D match 2 at Stade Vélodrome - Team Snow vs Team Team Brian GB
Matchday 5 tomorrow
Group A match 1 at Allianz Arena - Team Brwned vs Team DanNistelrooy
Group A match 2 at Estádio da Luz - Team KM vs Team Desert Eagle
Group B match 1 at Amsterdam Arena - Team TheHorse'sMouth vs Team Cal?
Group B match 2 at Hampden Park - Team Nani Nana vs Team kps88
Managers of teams playing on Matchday 4, please post any updates by 1200 hours tomorrow
Just a suggestion Polaroid, but next time you should wait for the previous matchday's voting to close before starting the new one. Too many active threads will mean a few getting left behind.
I agree with you, will try for future matches to kick off and close around noon time
Group A and B Standings
Group A
Team Brwned 6 pts
Team KM 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt
Group B
Team kps88 4 pts
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team Cal? 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 1 pt
Group A
Team Brwned 6 pts
Team KM 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt
Group B
Team kps88 4 pts
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team Cal? 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 1 pt
So what happens if Desert Eagle beats me?
Then he gets 4 pts and you are eliminated
Whether Desert Eagle progresses is then dependent on the result of Brwned vs DanNistelrooy
Worth considering only doing one group a day for the final matchdays as well. That would mean more discussion in both threads.
Matchday 5 will be kicking off within 30 min
Group A match 1 at Allianz Arena - Team Brwned vs Team DanNistelrooy
Group A match 2 at Estádio da Luz - Team KM vs Team Desert Eagle
Group B match 1 at Amsterdam Arena - Team TheHorse'sMouth vs Team Cal?
Group B match 2 at Hampden Park - Team Nani Nana vs Team kps88
Matchday 6 tomorrow
Group C match 1 at Athens Olympic Stadium - Team Polaroid vs Team K Stand Knut
Group C match 2 at Emirates Stadium - Team Ralaks vs Team IBleedRed
Group D match 1 at Stadio San Paolo - Team Gio vs Team Brian GB
Group D match 2 at Stade Vélodrome - Team Snow vs Team Crustanoid
Managers of teams playing on Matchday 6, please post any updates by 1200 hours tomorrow
Group Standings
Group A
Team Brwned 6 pts
Team KM 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt
Group B
Team kps88 4 pts
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team Cal? 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 1 pt
Group C
Team Polaroid 6 pts
Team K Stand Knut 3 pts
Team Ralaks 3 pts
Team IBleedRed 0 pt
Group D
Team Gio 6 pts
Team Brian GB 6 pts
Team Crustanoid 0 pt
Team Snow 0 pt
Group A match 1 at Allianz Arena - Team Brwned vs Team DanNistelrooy
Group A match 2 at Estádio da Luz - Team KM vs Team Desert Eagle
Group B match 1 at Amsterdam Arena - Team TheHorse'sMouth vs Team Cal?
Group B match 2 at Hampden Park - Team Nani Nana vs Team kps88
Matchday 6 tomorrow
Group C match 1 at Athens Olympic Stadium - Team Polaroid vs Team K Stand Knut
Group C match 2 at Emirates Stadium - Team Ralaks vs Team IBleedRed
Group D match 1 at Stadio San Paolo - Team Gio vs Team Brian GB
Group D match 2 at Stade Vélodrome - Team Snow vs Team Crustanoid
Managers of teams playing on Matchday 6, please post any updates by 1200 hours tomorrow
Group Standings
Group A
Team Brwned 6 pts
Team KM 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt
Group B
Team kps88 4 pts
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team Cal? 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 1 pt
Group C
Team Polaroid 6 pts
Team K Stand Knut 3 pts
Team Ralaks 3 pts
Team IBleedRed 0 pt
Group D
Team Gio 6 pts
Team Brian GB 6 pts
Team Crustanoid 0 pt
Team Snow 0 pt
Gentle reminder, Managers of Groups C and D, please post your updates, if any, by 1200 hours for the final group game. Thanks
No suggestions. Just seems like these 5-10 regular voters who don't have teams hold a lot of power in their hands.
I figured since Baresi and Manolo wouldn't concede and therefor logical that the other side would not lose that I'd put up a more attacking side that would definitely score some goals.
Could you explain what you mean by them holding a lot of power? do they have more power than any other voter? if not, why single them out?
I do not think they vote as a bloc so I do not really know what your point is.
They hold more power because they decide on all groups while we have 16 voters who can only vote on 2 groups.
Doesn't mean anything really. They just have more power. More votes = more power and there aren't a lot of people besides the participants interested in this.
Doesn't mean anything really. They just have more power. More votes = more power and there aren't a lot of people besides the participants interested in this.
16 voters who are managers competing against each other. They are the only voters with restrictions to ensure conflict of interest is minimized.
I do not think power is the word you are looking for, because every member of the Caf (bar the managers of course) has the same power to vote and each of their votes have the same weightage. Perhaps you mean that those who voted regularly had played a bigger part in determining the overall outcome. It would not be wrong to say that, but is there anything wrong with it which requires corrective measures? Just like in real life, those who regularly turned up to vote in successive elections would have played a bigger part in deciding the government of the day and the course of the country. The question to ask imo is why people do not vote. Other than a lack of interest behind the low number of votes (yet to break 40 in any match i believe), it could also be due to lack of knowledge about that era of players. If people choose not to make an uninformed vote, I can perfectly understand that. It is something we are already aware of from the beginning given that the majority of members here are probably under 30 and are unlikely to have seen most of these players in action. Out of curiosity, how many of the other 15 managers are above 30?
I have been a regular voter and I'm finding the whole game very interesting but this is a problem for me. Anyone that peaked before 1990 and I'm basically going off what I've read, youtube and the odd game on ESPN Classic, if even that. Snow's point is a fair one as it does mean posters like me have a large influence over who wins despite gaping holes in our knowledge. As you say though, there's no way around it. You can't force more people to take an interest, and I'm sure several of the managers are even younger than me. In any case its only a game, and its doen its job imo by livening up the football forums and provoking some good discussion.
Yep I'm with Pat (even thought he arrived five minutes late in my match thread and cost me 3 points ).
There's no way around it. In fact I'd say figuring out which players are likely to get more votes due to familiarity is a big part of the game.
). There's no way around it. In fact I'd say figuring out which players are likely to get more votes due to familiarity is a big part of the game.
Yep I'm with Pat (even thought he arrived five minutes late in my match thread and cost me 3 points
There's no way around it. In fact I'd say figuring out which players are likely to get more votes due to familiarity is a big part of the game.
This is what got me in the end. On the caf:
90s legends > middle of the road 90s legends > 80 legends, and also:
British middle of the road players in the 80s > continental legends of the 80s
I think you've suffered more than most given the bulk of your players peaked mid-80s. Futre,Josimar and particularly Scifo were players I was eyeing up and were among the top two or three in their position at their peak.
Right lads, need some opinions here. Providing things stay the way they are I'll have a few options to think about:
Obviously I need a forward and when there's Cantona or Bergkamp there it's an easy decision to pick one of them, and I reckon Cantona on a United forum is a must. So there's the choice of taking out the one other (perceived) weak link in the side in Myung-Bo and adding to the Yugoslavian contingent with Mihajlovic, or going for a Cal-style all out attack and adding in Francescoli there going for individual quality despite the deficiencies in width and pace.
With Mihajlovic and Cantona:
With Francescoli and Cantona:
Otherwise I could stick in Bergkamp there and strengthen up the spine of my team even further to create the most formidable midfield partnership in the game or add another top class centre back in there.
With Dunga and Bergkamp:
Ruggeri and Bergkamp:
Obviously I need a forward and when there's Cantona or Bergkamp there it's an easy decision to pick one of them, and I reckon Cantona on a United forum is a must. So there's the choice of taking out the one other (perceived) weak link in the side in Myung-Bo and adding to the Yugoslavian contingent with Mihajlovic, or going for a Cal-style all out attack and adding in Francescoli there going for individual quality despite the deficiencies in width and pace.
With Mihajlovic and Cantona:
With Francescoli and Cantona:
Otherwise I could stick in Bergkamp there and strengthen up the spine of my team even further to create the most formidable midfield partnership in the game or add another top class centre back in there.
With Dunga and Bergkamp:
Ruggeri and Bergkamp:
Remi Moses is a must.
How about Bergkamp instead of Basler and Cantona up front. I'm just not a big fan of Basler. Mayber other people are.
I don't know. That's what I thought and I picked my team based on that strategy. But it seems that the Zola-Stoichkov combo can't score goals and Kanchelskis and Barnes are rubbish wingers.
Not like my central midfield is rubbish either. Romero might be one of the most unheard of names in the competition but he's about the only one. 3 of my men in defense made up the backbone of their CL winning sides. The 4th also won the CL as a number 1 defender for years for Bayern and Germany and my goalkeeper is better than most in this competition. Everyone except Romero I knew myself before picking and I picked him because of his exceptional stats and reputation.
In all honesty I don't know what made the other teams so much better. Frankly, TBG had a great defense but his attack lacked somewhat. Going by the logic on how people vote here in those situations I think they'd vote for the more defensive team when they think a draw is the likelier option. Makes sense in way, sit back, hold and maybe score on a break or from set pieces.
It also brings those older players into the conciousness on here, some may not be liking older players but those of us directly involved and to others looking in have been looking at footballers who were in their peaks before our respective times, perhaps for the first time.
There will be people who didn't know who the likes of Tassotti and Butragueno were before this, and people will know moreso why the likes of Baresi and Matthaus are idolised.
I was watching the BBC's goals of Italia '90 the other day and this sums up Matthaus quite perfectly.
Oh definitely. There are a few players here you raise their team profile higher than others. Maldini, Baresi, Romario, Baggio, Matthaus. They also didn't play in England and therefor are seen as a bit more exotic as well. They are however brilliant, no doubt about it.
I've yet to muster what's essential in all this. Do players or tactics matter more. Do you also need a bit of luck with who your opponents are? It all weighs in. I tried the defensive approach last time. Went by the logic that it would be very hard to score vs my team but that didn't work. Tried a more balanced Man Utd approach now but that didn't work either. Probably the player combo I picked. Hard to guess because in all the matchdays I haven't gotten much criticism for my team. You need that criticism. All I got now was Kanchelskis-Barnes winger combo not good enough. Well, I took a chance with Kanchelskis really but I thought everyone rated Barnes highly. All the English footballers do. I didn't see him play much but great left wingers are often compared to Barnes.
Guess that's what it makes it this fun. Props to Polaroid for keeping it together. Need more votes though. There must be a way to get the tally higher.
I've yet to muster what's essential in all this. Do players or tactics matter more. Do you also need a bit of luck with who your opponents are? It all weighs in. I tried the defensive approach last time. Went by the logic that it would be very hard to score vs my team but that didn't work. Tried a more balanced Man Utd approach now but that didn't work either. Probably the player combo I picked. Hard to guess because in all the matchdays I haven't gotten much criticism for my team. You need that criticism. All I got now was Kanchelskis-Barnes winger combo not good enough. Well, I took a chance with Kanchelskis really but I thought everyone rated Barnes highly. All the English footballers do. I didn't see him play much but great left wingers are often compared to Barnes.
Guess that's what it makes it this fun. Props to Polaroid for keeping it together. Need more votes though. There must be a way to get the tally higher.