Retro Football Fantasy Championship

Snow said:
I've yet to muster what's essential in all this. Do players or tactics matter more. Do you also need a bit of luck with who your opponents are? It all weighs in. I tried the defensive approach last time. Went by the logic that it would be very hard to score vs my team but that didn't work. Tried a more balanced Man Utd approach now but that didn't work either. Probably the player combo I picked. Hard to guess because in all the matchdays I haven't gotten much criticism for my team. You need that criticism. All I got now was Kanchelskis-Barnes winger combo not good enough. Well, I took a chance with Kanchelskis really but I thought everyone rated Barnes highly. All the English footballers do. I didn't see him play much but great left wingers are often compared to Barnes.
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I do not think logic plays a massive part actually.. I got like 70% of the votes against Horse'sMouth, and then 20% of the votes against kps88 with the same team, despite them drawing when they played each other. It's like a team winning 7-0 against another, which then goes on to lose 0-8 to a team that had drawn with the one that lost 0-7. see what i mean? :lol:
 
I think you need a strategy in selecting players and have to stick with it. I knew everybody would clamour after the flair players in the early rounds of selection taking strikers and wingers and attacking midfielders - as most were going that way it meant nobody would be able to bring together a flawless attacking side as there isn't enough such players to go around.

Because of that I deliberately went the other way, I had two centre-backs, a right back and a goalkeeper in my first six picks and my next picks focused on more full backs. As a consequence I was able to build up a much stronger list of defensive players than anybody else could offensive players.

I think people appreciate a balanced part of a team, they like a midfield five where all of the players are great or a back four where all the players are great as opposed to a team with five or six absolute greats littered through it with so-so players filling the gaps. In that respect I think tactics and strategy of the team comes into play. I also think people like players who can relate to one another - for instance I have Tassotti and Baresi beside each other from Milan, Sanchis ahead of Zubizarretta from the Spanish side, Sheringham and Klinsmann from Tottenham, Klinsmann and Bierhoff from Germany and alongside Strunz, on top of the premier league players knowing of each other.
 
I really wouldn't analyse it that much. I'm sure a few do, but most probably just take a quick glance through the teams and vote as per their gut.
 
I agree with the whole line of defense or midfield could matter but I don't think it matters that players played with each other in real life. I at least don't consider that when I vote.
 
Snow said:
How about Bergkamp instead of Basler and Cantona up front. I'm just not a big fan of Basler. Mayber other people are.
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Doesn't matter that there's no width then, just go 4222?
 
Team balance is the most important thing I look for when I vote, and collective strength in vital areas.
 
Playing for pride in my last match, therefore I'm going for a 3-4-3 type affair which allows my to attack the shit out of the opposition. More in depth tactics to follow

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Brwned said:
Doesn't matter that there's no width then, just go 4222?
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You already have a great defense. At least I think so. For me you're biggest two weaknesses have been the striker and AMR. You have a guy on the left. Stick Bergkamp out right David Silva style. Everyone knows he isn't playing as a winger. No more than Barcelona use wingers.
 
Crustanoid said:
Playing for pride in my last match, therefore I'm going for a 3-4-3 type affair which allows my to attack the shit out of the opposition. More in depth tactics to follow

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Call that attacking? Pff ;)

You're up against me aren't you?
 
So I have to wait for Brwned to choose two players first, or can I take a player now?
 
DE's ten mates are up for promotion tonight. I'd put a hold on picking if I were you.
 
Polaroid said:
Competition format is identical to that of the Euros - 4 groups of 4, top 2 in each group advance to the quarters. Group winner gets to pick one player each from the two eliminated teams to add to his squad, followed by the group runner-up's turn. In the knockout rounds, winner of the tie gets to add one player from the losing side to his squad. This means that by the final round, each of the two finalists will have a squad of 16 players to choose their matchday team from.
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Polaroid said:
Retro Football Fantasy Championship Quarter Finals
Matchday 7
Quarter Final 1 at Santiago Bernabéu - Winner Group A vs Runner-up Group B
Quarter Final 2 at Stade de France - Winner Group B vs Runner-up Group A
Quarter Final 3 at San Siro - Winner Group C vs Runner-up Group D
Quarter Final 4 at Stadio Olimpico - Winner Group D vs Runner-up Group C

Retro Football Fantasy Championship Semi Finals
Matchday 8
Semi Final 1 at Camp Nou - Winner of Quarter Final 1 vs Winner of Quarter Final 3
Semi Final 2 at Wembley - Winner of Quarter Final 2 vs Winner of Quarter Final 4

Retro Football Fantasy Championship Final
Matchday 9
Grand Final at Old Trafford - Winner of Semi Final 1 vs Winner of Semi Final 2
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Final Standings for Groups A and B

Group A
1. Team Brwned 9 pts
2. Team KM 6 pts
3. Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
3. Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt

Group B
1. Team kps88 7 pts
2. Team Cal? 6 pts
3. Team Nani Nana 3 pts
4. Team TheHorse'sMouth 1 pt

Group winners (Brwned and kps88) please pick 2 players (1 each from the 2 eliminated teams in your group) to add to your squad.

Group runner-ups (KM and Cal?) can make your 2 squad additions (also 1 each from the eliminated teams in your group) after the group winners have done so or 12 hours from now, whichever is earlier.
 
KM said:
So I have to wait for Brwned to choose two players first, or can I take a player now?
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You've to wait, so have some patience KM. Who do you suggest I pick (ulterior motives aside!)?
 
Geez this is hard. The option of picking two from the same side might make it easier for me. Will take some time.

EDIT: Did anyone ever see R. Koeman play RB?
 
Congratulations to the teams which have progressed from Groups A and B
My appreciation and thanks to the eliminated teams who have contributed to making this competition what it is. Better luck next time - there is a 70s edition coming up! ;)
 
If I were KP I'd probably go Koeman and Sammer, although you could easily go for Irwin or Costacurta. For Cal Ince is the obvious one and then possibly Jorginho, Wouters or whichever's left of Costacurta/Sammer. Not sure who I'd pick for KM's team, maybe Mihajlovic or Francescoli and then Dunga, because I'm probably going to pick both Cantona and Bergkamp just to stop him from getting the dream front two of one of them to play alongside Romario!
 
Polaroid said:
Matchday 5 will be kicking off within 30 min
Group A match 1 at Allianz Arena - Team Brwned vs Team DanNistelrooy
Group A match 2 at Estádio da Luz - Team KM vs Team Desert Eagle
Group B match 1 at Amsterdam Arena - Team TheHorse'sMouth vs Team Cal?
Group B match 2 at Hampden Park - Team Nani Nana vs Team kps88

Matchday 6 tomorrow
Group C match 1 at Athens Olympic Stadium - Team Polaroid vs Team K Stand Knut
Group C match 2 at Emirates Stadium - Team Ralaks vs Team IBleedRed
Group D match 1 at Stadio San Paolo - Team Gio vs Team Brian GB
Group D match 2 at Stade Vélodrome - Team Snow vs Team Crustanoid
Managers of teams playing on Matchday 6, please post any updates by 1200 hours tomorrow

Group Standings

Group A
Team Brwned 6 pts
Team KM 3 pts
Team Desert Eagle 1 pt
Team DanNistelrooy 1 pt

Group B
Team kps88 4 pts
Team Nani Nana 3 pts
Team Cal? 3 pts
Team TheHorse'sMouth 1 pt

Group C
Team Polaroid 6 pts
Team K Stand Knut 3 pts
Team Ralaks 3 pts
Team IBleedRed 0 pt

Group D
Team Gio 6 pts
Team Brian GB 6 pts
Team Crustanoid 0 pt
Team Snow 0 pt
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Matchday 6 kicking off within the next 30 min
Crucial day for the teams in Group C and D as today will decide which 4 teams join Team Brwned, Team KM, Team kps88 and Team Cal? in the final 8 of the Retro Football Fantasy Championship
 
Polaroid said:
Congratulations to the teams which have progressed from Groups A and B
My appreciation and thanks to the eliminated teams who have contributed to making this competition what it is. Better luck next time - there is a 70s edition coming up! ;)
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I'll put my name in for the 70s one (do you mean players who peaked in the 70s)- would there be any merit in shortening it to 8 / 12 teams? It would solve some of the issues with people not remembering players, and the long drafting process. We could co-manage teams perhaps if there is a lot of demand for it
 
Polaroid said:
Congratulations to the teams which have progressed from Groups A and B
My appreciation and thanks to the eliminated teams who have contributed to making this competition what it is. Better luck next time - there is a 70s edition coming up! ;)
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With regard to a 70s iteration, do you think it would be wise to limit it to the first half of the seventies? As such it would make it far more difficult, and would allow another seventies iteration later on - the eighties is too recent to do one and the fifties too few will know anything about.
 
Brwned said:
If I were KP I'd probably go Koeman and Sammer, although you could easily go for Irwin or Costacurta. For Cal Ince is the obvious one and then possibly Jorginho, Wouters or whichever's left of Costacurta/Sammer. Not sure who I'd pick for KM's team, maybe Mihajlovic or Francescoli and then Dunga, because I'm probably going to pick both Cantona and Bergkamp just to stop him from getting the dream front two of one of them to play alongside Romario!
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You cnut.
 
Heh, suggest me a better option then! They're their two first picks, I've an opening for two strikers...it seems like the simplest option.
 
Crustanoid said:
I'll put my name in for the 70s one (do you mean players who peaked in the 70s)- would there be any merit in shortening it to 8 / 12 teams? It would solve some of the issues with people not remembering players, and the long drafting process. We could co-manage teams perhaps if there is a lot of demand for it
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Players born in the 70s (1st Jan 1970 to 31 Dec 1979) :)
I do not mind halving it to 8 teams with co-managers and expanding the squad size to 14 or 16. Depends on the number of interested participants though. If there are more than 20 people interested, I could keep it at 16 teams with some co-managing. 12 teams could be tricky because it usually involves deciding which third-placed teams progress.

Team Brian GB said:
With regard to a 70s iteration, do you think it would be wise to limit it to the first half of the seventies? As such it would make it far more difficult, and would allow another seventies iteration later on - the eighties is too recent to do one and the fifties too few will know anything about.
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I am open to that. What do the others think? whole of 70s or 1st half?:)
 
My picks:

Denis Irwin
Alessandro Costacurta

Also, count me in for the 70s (or early 70s) version.
 
You're going to get overrun in midfield with only one proper midfielder in there Cal...

I pick Bergkamp and Cantona. Sorry KM, no other choice! Presumably I'll line up with this but does anyone think I should go 433-ish with Bergkamp slightly wide, with Benarrivo giving the width down his side?

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Polaroid said:
Players born in the 70s (1st Jan 1970 to 31 Dec 1979) :)
I do not mind halving it to 8 teams with co-managers and expanding the squad size to 14 or 16. Depends on the number of interested participants though. If there are more than 20 people interested, I could keep it at 16 teams with some co-managing. 12 teams could be tricky because it usually involves deciding which third-placed teams progress.



I am open to that. What do the others think? whole of 70s or 1st half?:)
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Wierd - I was having this thought earlier. I think better period to use are 1965-1975 or 1955-65

My rationale for this is:

(a) people naturally group players, styles into decades ie 80s, 90s, 00s in their minds
(b) footballers peak on average in their mid-twenties (I know it's not a hard and fast rule but as an average).
(c) so the eighties featured people who peaked in that decade like Maradona, Platini, Lineker, Robbo and co who were all born between 1955-65 whereas the nineties you associate with Romario, Stoichkov, Cantona, Giggs etc who were born 1965-75
 
This age group in the current draft is as far back as I can participate in. I was struggling with my last 4 picks or so. I'm not one for watching ESPN classics or anything like that so I couldn't base my opinion on much. Could hardly vote as well. So for me I'm happy with Polaroids plan.
 
Brwned said:
You're going to get overrun in midfield with only one proper midfielder in there Cal...

I pick Bergkamp and Cantona. Sorry KM, no other choice! Presumably I'll line up with this but does anyone think I should go 433-ish with Bergkamp slightly wide, with Benarrivo giving the width down his side?

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Which one of Redondo, Moller & Boban do you think are not "proper midfielders"? :confused:

Anyway, here's the updated formation:

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The complete lack of width in Brwned's side makes me really tempted to put Littbarski back in... :confused:
 
Cal? said:
Also, count me in for the 70s (or early 70s) version.
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Managers list for 70s edition of Retro Fantasy
Crustanoid
Cal?
Nani Nana
Polaroid

Did I miss out anybody who had previously indicated their intent to participate?

Those who are interested, please add your name :)
 
Crustanoid said:
Wierd - I was having this thought earlier. I think better period to use are 1965-1975 or 1955-65

My rationale for this is:

(a) people naturally group players, styles into decades ie 80s, 90s, 00s in their minds
(b) footballers peak on average in their mid-twenties (I know it's not a hard and fast rule but as an average).
(c) so the eighties featured people who peaked in that decade like Maradona, Platini, Lineker, Robbo and co who were all born between 1955-65 whereas the nineties you associate with Romario, Stoichkov, Cantona, Giggs etc who were born 1965-75
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That works too

For the next Retro Fantasy competition,
should we go for
1) 1970-1979
2) 1970-1974
3) 1965-1974
4) 1955-1964
 
I think maybe 1975-79 as the number of star players would be more limited but as they are so recently playing and still playing (Didier Drogba for instance) we should be much wiser to them.
 
Polaroid said:
That works too

For the next Retro Fantasy competition,
should we go for
1) 1970-1979
2) 1970-1974
3) 1965-1974
4) 1955-1964
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I'd be up for 1 or 2, 3 or 4 overlaps a lot with this current one and gets a bit confusing.

Personally I'd be up for 70-74, but it would get quite hard towards the end if we stick with 16 teams, but that may make things more interesting.

An alternative would be something like 70-77, which covers most of the period between 70 to the "older than CR draft".
 
Polaroid said:
Managers list for 70s edition of Retro Fantasy
Crustanoid
Cal?
Nani Nana
Polaroid

Did I miss out anybody who had previously indicated their intent to participate?

Those who are interested, please add your name :)
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Yeah I'm in
 
Team Brian GB said:
I think maybe 1975-79 as the number of star players would be more limited but as they are so recently playing and still playing (Didier Drogba for instance) we should be much wiser to them.
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That is another option.

Cal? said:
I'd be up for 1 or 2, 3 or 4 overlaps a lot with this current one and gets a bit confusing.

Personally I'd be up for 70-74, but it would get quite hard towards the end if we stick with 16 teams, but that may make things more interesting.

An alternative would be something like 70-77, which covers most of the period between 70 to the "older than CR draft".
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I am inclined towards 16 teams actually because it allows for more participants. As long as people co-operate in making the game run smoothly, I am for inclusiveness in allowing more people to play.

70-77 is an option, with the possibility of 78-85 to follow

Gio said:
Yeah I'm in
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Updated managers list for next edition:)

Crustanoid
Cal?
Nani Nana
Polaroid
Team Brian
Gio
 
Cal's team looks better with some natural width and a trio of Redondo, Boban and Moller while somewhat attacking probably fits into a midfield three better in a 3-5-2 rather than a 4-3-3 or 4-1-3-2.

I'm up for a 50s or 70s one next. What's the rationale for the half-decade idea?
 
Gio said:
Cal's team looks better with some natural width and a trio of Redondo, Boban and Moller while somewhat attacking probably fits into a midfield three better in a 3-5-2 rather than a 4-3-3 or 4-1-3-2.

I'm up for a 50s or 70s one next. What's the rationale for the half-decade idea?
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I would like the 50s too, many fabulous players from that era, but it would be difficult for both the managers and voters
The half decade (1st half of 70s) was suggested by Brian to increase the difficulty and allow room for a sequel (2nd half of 70s)
 
I'd like a 50s one and I'm in for whatever's next.
 
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