I am not supporting White Supremacy in anyway, but they are doing what they do because they are racist, not Christian. It is true that they have burned crosses and so on and some may consider themselves Christian, but it’s as far from Christian as it can be. As far as I’m aware they don’t do it in the name of God as Calado is trying to suggest.
Well to an extent I do believe that and it seems the American government also believes that, if the threat of terror is considered to be more realistic than you can see why they would be more wary.
Yeah, but they are doing it because they are primarily racist aren’t they and have no objection to be called it, so I don’t think you can say it’s Christian motivated because someone used a few bible passages.
You don’t see the total irony in this post? You must have some self awareness.I am not supporting White Supremacy in anyway, but they are doing what they do because they are racist, not Christian. It is true that they have burned crosses and so on and some may consider themselves Christian, but it’s as far from Christian as it can be. As far as I’m aware they don’t do it in the name of God as Calado is trying to suggest.
I can agree with that evildoers will use anything to manipulate people even the bible, it’s been happening for centuries.The master and slave agenda was pushed in the church by preachers using biblical verses. It was used as motivation. These verses were misinterpreted but they were certainly used.
That's not saying Christianity itself is racist or pushes this narrative. It doesn't. My age of earth example was given to show that it's not the religion itself rather those who create a narrative using the religion as it appeals to people/their congregation.
America is deep seeded in racism and I’m sure there are racists who consider themselves Christian but the White Supremacy threat is a racist movement not Christian.You don’t see the total irony in this post? You must have some self awareness.
I can agree with that evildoers will use anything to manipulate people even the bible, it’s been happening for centuries.
Yep. The Church’s and so on haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory the past few years, I understand where you are coming from.Think we agree.
As I've mentioned before I'm religious myself. What I maybe haven't mentioned is that I'm almost anti mosque/church/synagogue. I think generally they have become places of division rather than unity and what their real purpose is.
I like religious history and one of the main points that I find striking is that over the years these places have become the purveyors of religion. I believe in the past it was the individual. Which lead to more questioning of the institutions.
America is deep seeded in racism and I’m sure there are racists who consider themselves Christian but the White Supremacy threat is a racist movement not Christian.
It’s not I looked at the figures there now and they are very close between WS and IT, it’s definitely not 4-1.
They most certainly use their religion, in this case christianity, as a motivation, a causation, or an excuse for their actions. Their literature, iconography, & manner is steeped in Christianity, often times dominionism. This just isn’t debatable.I am not supporting White Supremacy in anyway, but they are doing what they do because they are racist, not Christian. It is true that they have burned crosses and so on and some may consider themselves Christian, but it’s as far from Christian as it can be. As far as I’m aware they don’t do it in the name of God as Calado is trying to suggest.
Well to an extent I do believe that and it seems the American government also believes that, if the threat of terror is considered to be more realistic than you can see why they would be more wary.
Yeah, but they are doing it because they are primarily racist aren’t they and have no objection to be called it, so I don’t think you can say it’s Christian motivated because someone used a few bible passages.
And a very strong reminder as to why it should be kept very far out of politics.This was a preacher using religion to further political gains. It could very well have been put in the WS thread, but it’s actually more germane to this thread. It shows the fallacy of religion on multiple levels.
It's much more than that. This is an interesting article from the southern poverty law center about the KKK and how their racism is intertwined with their Christian identity.I am not supporting White Supremacy in anyway, but they are doing what they do because they are racist, not Christian. It is true that they have burned crosses and so on and some may consider themselves Christian, but it’s as far from Christian as it can be. As far as I’m aware they don’t do it in the name of God as Calado is trying to suggest.
Well to an extent I do believe that and it seems the American government also believes that, if the threat of terror is considered to be more realistic than you can see why they would be more wary.
Yeah, but they are doing it because they are primarily racist aren’t they and have no objection to be called it, so I don’t think you can say it’s Christian motivated because someone used a few bible passages.
It's much more than that. This is an interesting article from the southern poverty law center about the KKK and how their racism is intertwined with their Christian identity.
https://www.splcenter.org/20170925/hate-god’s-name
I also don't find the "they are already racist and are cherry picking the bible" argument very comforting. They are cherry picking because there is enough horrific crap in the bible to cherry pick from. If it wasn't for millions of moderates making Christianity seem normal and or good, there wouldn't be the extreme version of them.
I think cherry picking is the wrong terminology. For me it's outright fabrication.
Sure the fabrication may have happened so long ago that people no longer see it as fabrication. But my own journey into religion/s shows when you look into it properly it's a case of what is wasn't.
I see it in "sects" of Islam all the time. They'll even provide references. But if like me you look into it then the references origin may have been a book 400 years ago which was false in the first place. Yet the "schools" that have developed show the adherents a reference and it's accepted.
There is one popular group amongst Muslims, that I have personally witnessed have their book basically shown to have false "evidence". They unanimously accept it's false. Yet still teach it.
Which is the problem with Religion. You don't see that with engineering or chemistry. Without religion, we don't have massive groups of people twisting old made up books into giant quests to dominate and control others. That doesn't mean they won't do it but I would imagine there would be less of it without religion.
Science is a process. We have learned a lot about how the world works due to scientific processes. Religion claims to know things by just making stuff up. How is a claim about an Ark and a great flood not part of religion? Hell, I am watching a NASCAR race right now and they just aired a commercial for the stupid Ark Encounter.Not sure if the problem is with religion as such. I'm no expert but I think some aspects of science do what religion did/does. As in of something doesn't fit you come up with something else that makes it fit.
The problem as I see it is that when we speak of religion people take what's at the forefront. So me as a Muslim get the whole "earth is 6k years old lol" kind of comments. This isn't in Islam or Christianity really. Yet say something about an aspect of science or evolution and people will Google etc to go into the micro levels of explanation.
Of course there are those who shout science but quote Gervais and Fry too. Unfortunately with religion it's all Gervais and Fry types
The feck is that?Science is a process. We have learned a lot about how the world works due to scientific processes. Religion claims to know things by just making stuff up. How is a claim about an Ark and a great flood not part of religion? Hell, I am watching a NASCAR race right now and they just aired a commercial for the stupid Ark Encounter.
The feck is that?
e - never mind, it’s that place in Kentucky that teaches dinosaurs & man lived together a few thousand years ago. That Aussie wacko thumper built it.
It’s not really Calodo these are the figures from a recent survey 2021.They most certainly use their religion, in this case christianity, as a motivation, a causation, or an excuse for their actions. Their literature, iconography, & manner is steeped in Christianity, often times dominionism. This just isn’t debatable.
Then we could look at the rabid pro-lifers out there that bomb & attack. Religion could not be more intrinsic.
I stand corrected on the 4 to 1, it’s closer to a little less than 3 to 1 far right (which is significantly white supremacist along with anti-government making up the vast majority) terrorism v islamic terrorism since 9/11.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/08/post-911-domestic-terror
Religion is embedded into far right wing terrorism. There simply isn’t an argument here.
e - here’s a good article from a very reputable source…
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-.../holy-hate-far-right’s-radicalization-religion
Its report concluded that far-right extremists killed 114 people spanning more than three dozen violent attacks, while US-based individuals it terms “jihadists” killed 107 people across 14 attacks.
Terrorism isn’t about killing the highest number of people. It’s about striking fear in the most amount of people. That’s where the number of attacks comes into play.It’s not really Calodo these are the figures from a recent survey 2021.
Terrorism isn’t about killing the highest number of people. It’s about striking fear in the most amount of people. That’s where the number of attacks comes into play.
The stochastic terror element makes them far more worrisome than the traditional, top down hierarchy.Well I am certainly more afraid of far right Christian extremist in American than I am of all the other groups combined. It's not even a close call on that.
What is this Far right Christian extremist’s, never heard them described as this before, far right extremists, yes. Not Christian.Well I am certainly more afraid of far right Christian extremist in American than I am of all the other groups combined. It's not even a close call on that.
Maybe that’s something to do with home based and Foreign terror threats why it’s easier to carry out more attacks.Terrorism isn’t about killing the highest number of people. It’s about striking fear in the most amount of people. That’s where the number of attacks comes into play.
What is this Far right Christian extremist’s, never heard them described as this before, far right extremists, yes. Not Christian.
Logistics definitely plays a part in it, but we suffer from domestic terror over here far more than we suffer islamic terror. The number of instances proves that.Maybe that’s something to do with home based and Foreign terror threats why it’s easier to carry out more attacks.
You’ve got to be taking the piss now, yes?What is this Far right Christian extremist’s, never heard them described as this before, far right extremists, yes. Not Christian.
Was this a terrorist attack or a potential coup though, don’t think it can be described as terrorism.You are kidding right?
Just look at this image search from the January 6th insurrection.
Far right Christianity was a key factor (Christian flags, crosses, etc...).
Was this a terrorist attack or a potential coup though, don’t think it can be described as terrorism.
No not at all, I think you two are implementing the Christian narrative a little too much in far right extremism.You’ve got to be taking the piss now, yes?
I get that you are talking as a christian & don’t like to have your religion besmirched, but you are as incorrect here as a flat earther.No not at all, I think you two are implementing the Christian narrative a little too much in far right extremism.
I can not read that for some reason but didn’t it come out Timothy McVeigh was an extremely mixed up guy?I would say trying to overthrow a fairly elected government is terrorism but that's splitting hairs. We also have the Oklahoma City bombing:
https://lithub.com/the-white-christ...e-worst-terrorist-attack-in-american-history/
It's about much more than just McVeigh.I can not read that for some reason but didn’t it come out Timothy McVeigh was an extremely mixed up guy?
https://flaglerlive.com/25667/pt-mcveigh-breivik/I can not read that for some reason but didn’t it come out Timothy McVeigh was an extremely mixed up guy?
It's about much more than just McVeigh.
The city of God lay deep in the Ozark hills of northeastern Oklahoma, at the end of six miles of dirt road. Young men in thrown-together fatigues guarded the gates to the domed church of Elohim City. The church was the center of community life for the isolated settlement, host to charismatic morning prayers and evening assemblies. It flew Christian banners and Confederate flags. Many of Elohim City’s roughly one hundred residents were transients, who drove their mobile homes onto its four hundred acres for as long as they needed refuge from an iniquitous world. Polygamy was encouraged and patriarchy enforced. Non-domestic work for women was forbidden.
“Elohim” is a Hebrew word for God, but those who lived in Elohim City preferred to call God “Yahuah,” owing to something a resident once uttered while speaking in tongues. They considered themselves the real Israelites, not those descendants of the devil who called themselves Jews. That was what Christian Identity, the religion practiced at Elohim City, instructed.
No one at the compound ate pork, and children at its school learned Hebrew. Knowledge of Hebrew was valuable for demonstrating that the different words for “man” in the Bible proved that Yahuah created races of people, some superior, others inferior. Their faith ordained that the chosen people—descended from the northern European countries that these true Israelites settled—separate themselves in preparation for the reckoning to come. A monstrosity called the Zionist Occupational Government (ZOG), a cabal of Jews, had subverted America, the intended home of the chosen, and empowered their subhuman puppets. A local boy sang visitors a song about murdering Barney the dinosaur. Underneath his costume, the boy explained, Barney was a “ni**er.”
The patriarch of Elohim City was an elderly Canadian named Robert G. Millar. Millar said that a vision from Yahuah had led him on the path to both America and Christian Identity. A polygamist known to his followers as Grandpa, Millar had founded Elohim City in 1973, and about half its populace at any given time were members of his extended family. “Any equality at all” among races was “against the Bible,” Millar explained to a Dateline NBC reporter. Yet he refused to label himself a white supremacist: “Let’s put, ‘We’re separatists.’” Asked to account for his racism, Millar replied, “The truth is often offensive.” When he died in 2001, the Southern Poverty Law Center ranked Millar among a generation of men “who have led the American radical right for some 30 years.”
Christian Identity did not accept the Rapture foretold in Revelation. The Second Coming would instead result from struggle—an armed struggle to racially cleanse the world, probably after an economic collapse that would bring down this mongrel civilization. The heavily armed residents of Elohim City meant to triumph in the rough life to come. Under the tutelage of a German Army veteran named Andreas Strassmeir, they drilled in marksmanship and repurposed old ammunition crates into building materials. That established the community as a safe haven not only for Christian Identity believers but for fellow-traveling neo-Nazis, as well as violent criminals. These included members of a gang called the Aryan Republican Army, which aimed to finance the white revolution by robbing banks across the Midwest while wearing Point Break-inspired masks of ex-presidents. Another was the leader of a white supremacist militia, the Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord (CSA), which had forced law enforcement into a three-day standoff in Arkansas in 1985. Two years earlier a CSA member had plotted an attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Well as I was discussing with Roane, evildoers will use any means necessary to commit their evil deeds even the bible.
So these acts of terrorism will rightly be called Christian terrorism.Well as I was discussing with Roane, evildoers will use any means necessary to commit their evil deeds even the bible.
Well as I was discussing with Roane, evildoers will use any means necessary to commit their evil deeds even the bible.
No doubt, but one cannot divorce religion from the far right terror movement in this country. It’s impossible. It’s a tattoo on the movement, be it a certain flavor of christianity or Nordic mysticism. It’s literally in the DNA of the movement.Well as I was discussing with Roane, evildoers will use any means necessary to commit their evil deeds even the bible.
Well as I was discussing with Roane, evildoers will use any means necessary to commit their evil deeds even the bible.
Anders Breivik is asking for parole, there is obviously something seriously missing in the guy. If it wasn’t white supremacy it would have been something else.That's a very simplistic and honestly naive view. Anders Behring Breivik wouldn't have committed terrorism if he wasn't heavily radicalized into his white supremacy, Christian heritage, fascist views.
