The Quran has predicted a lot of things that have come true:
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html
Interesting read
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html
Interesting read
Religion, what's the point?
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"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)"
Tell that to the idiots carrying out unthinkable acts of FGM, please. Also, some of these are really a bit of a stretch...
"And when various people are brought together." (81:8) Fast transport systems, telephone, satellite systems and internet have brought so close to each other proving the truthfulness of the holy Quran.
The sentence beginning with "and" makes me think it's part of a bigger message, and not just the Quran predicting Facebook & Reddit.
Tell that to the idiots carrying out unthinkable acts of FGM, please. Also, some of these are really a bit of a stretch...
"And when various people are brought together." (81:8) Fast transport systems, telephone, satellite systems and internet have brought so close to each other proving the truthfulness of the holy Quran.
The sentence beginning with "and" makes me think it's part of a bigger message, and not just the Quran predicting Facebook & Reddit.
Sounds a bit like a psychic's cold reading to me.
Why the feck would he mention Air Traffic Control? Not to mention the giant stretch to get that from it.
"And when the mountains are made to move." (81:4)Centuries before the invention of dynamite, the holy Quran prophesied the blowing up and moving of the mountains.
"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)The holy Quran has prophesied the plastic surgery, genetic engineering and cloning in this short and concise sentence.
"And when various people are brought together." (81:8)Fast transport systems, telephone, satellite systems and internet have brought so close to each other proving the truthfulness of the holy Quran.
Is this a joke? These are a bit of a stretch, even by a desperate insecure religious person's standards.
I agree, those are a bit of a stretch, but some of them like "Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing" are pretty clear
It's not clear at all. If it wanted to be clear, why not make an exact reference to fingerprinting? Why would an all-knowing god make a prophecy in such a vague way if he could instead give exact details?
Do you see how crazy this seems to us irreligious people?
Not really a prediction though, is it? It's like me saying "And his energy levels will bear witness to how much he has worked."
I was reading Wikipedia too:
Muslims have cited the following Quranic verse as miraculous, "After that (Allah) spread the Earth out" (dahaha: from the verb daha)" [Quran 79:30]. This verse has been interpreted by many Muslims as foreshadowing the concept that the figure of the Earth has an oblate ellipsoid shape. Kamel Ben Salem's explanation for this is that "the ancient exegetes had earlier explained the Arabic verb (dahaha) by (has flattened it)" but that "the origin of this verb is found in the word (Ud-hiya)", which means "egg of ostrich", thus "the Earth would look like an ostrich’s egg" which is accurate with scientific data that confirms that the Earth is slightly flat at the poles very similarly to the shape of the egg of an ostrich.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_foreknowledge_in_sacred_texts)
I agree though, I'm not really sure why it doesn't just tell us in simple terms. Maybe thats simply due to the fact that nobody knew what the hell fingerprinting was back then (I'm not being sarcastic).
It's all about interpretation.
Alright, then I interpret this...
“A hunted man sometimes wearies of distrust and longs for friendship.”
as Tolkein's prediction of paranoia, anxiety, and lonliness in this lifeless information age.
That's the biggest load of bull I've ever read.
These, in particular, are proper crackers:
An abrahamic religion talking about the promised land. Absolute shocker.
Not only is it tenuous at best, they could at least have waited until some mad scientist actually moves a mountain.
Noah was fecking huge in the seventh century.
Hitler also brought people together and he was a dick.
Not even close.
So he predicted aids, but didn't predict a time when it's ok for people to eat pork?
Seems to quote Surah 81 a lot, and he was mostly using the Abullah Yusufali translation so I thought it's worth checking out how those quotes are used in the quran, and rather amusingly he's cited the line wrong on just about everything. So if this was an academic essay I'd have to fail the fecker. http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/81.htm
Opening line:
1. When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up;
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prophecies are left deliberately vague so that it's up to one of many interpretation, and when one of those interpretations come true then voila. "prophecy" come true.
it's called the barnum effect. it's also why some idiots lap up pseudo-scientific information originating from the likes of astrology, blood type personality, etc.
And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
If someone posted that on facebook I would seriously presume it was a joke to mock the Quran. Talk about desperately creating straws to grasp...
I could interpret those exact phrases to mean hundreds of different things including suggesting that Jesus is Allah's creation and son, and they would all be just as plausible as the things on that website.
In the light of the recent terror attacks and the constant wave of rapes and killings etc of innocent people all over the world, I would like to know why god isn't changing his "free will" policy? Free will is the fallback excuse for many christians as to why god isn't interfering more with our horrible actions, but he clearly must by now have realised that his children are evil little cnuts that murder, rape and terrorize their innocent brothers and sisters. Since he is all knowing and omnipotent he would have known even before he turned on the sun back in the day, but lets not go there.
He gave us the old testament which was the rulebook for all mankind and he pretty much scrapped it and wrote a new book because he wanted a change. Why can't he change something as simple as not letting his children hurt his other innocent children? Would life on earth become too good? Would it make us all free from sin and therefore life on earth would be pointless?
I really don't understand.
(sorry for the tone of my comment but i'm just pissed off, at everyone...)
He gave us the old testament which was the rulebook for all mankind and he pretty much scrapped it and wrote a new book because he wanted a change. Why can't he change something as simple as not letting his children hurt his other innocent children? Would life on earth become too good? Would it make us all free from sin and therefore life on earth would be pointless?
I really don't understand.
(sorry for the tone of my comment but i'm just pissed off, at everyone...)
Is that the fault of Islam or the fault of post-colonial Britain, who after requesting them to arrive, have done almost nothing to make them feel welcome? It was almost a case of, right you're here, do your job and shut up.
Considering the vast majority of British Pakistanis are from a Mirpuri (Pakistani Administered Kashmir) background, it's no wonder they secluded themselves in the face of rampant racism and discrimination. These people were farmers back in the day. They didn't have an education which built up their skills, or prepared them for life in a different country.
I find it extremely hard to believe that it's the fault of racist Brits that Pakistanis have found it hard to integrate in the society while Indian and Sri Lankan communities seem to be doing ok.
Quite frankly I couldn't give a toss if you believe it or not. I've lived my life as a British Pakistani for 29 years, so I'd say I know a thing or two about the typical experiences of British Pakistani life in the UK, considering also, that I have family and friends all around the UK who share my cultural background and live in these areas... But no, I suppose your half arsed assumptions and suppositions about my community from the outside are more attuned than that.
Good grief, get over yourself. You'll never know what it feels like to live here as a second or third generation immigrant, of Pakistani descent. You have no idea of how many of us have struggled to get to where we are in our life, even if it isn't much.
You talk about Indians and Sri Lankans, ignoring that there is more than one experience of these people in the UK. The Tamils for example, don't have it easy, neither do the Muslim Indians and Sri Lankans, and even among these communities, the lower down the socioeconomic strata you go, the more these people are likely to be secluded and separated from the rest of society. Post-industrial Britain has forgotten about them, much like they've forgotten about the Pakistani community and the rest of the working class.
I'm sorry that I upset you with half arsed assumptions, but I'm a tamilian myself and I have a lot of friends in UK who have struggled just as much (well maybe not as much as your people seem to have). So at least I hope to think it's not entirely just assumptions.
Also wanted to point out that my post had nothing to do with Islam as a religion, it was made in another thread on the Nice violence. Sure, we would all like to avoid generalizations like Pakistanis and Indians and Ukrainians, but aren't you the same by saying Post colonial Britain? So everyone you met in the UK was racist?
People still denying the role of religion and quite specifically Islam in modern day terrorism is quite baffling. Quite telling that the first reaction is almost always 'Christians are just as bad'. Quite pathetic. Either that or straight out accusing people of being racist. No wonder clowns like Trump are doing well.
That's the genius behind it! Like, why would such an awesome god create bad bacteria and killer viruses? Why invent death? And about 10,000 other questionable acts.
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That verse is about Gerrard's quest for a league title.
Yup. He really managed to capitalise on the resentment fuelled by well-meaning but misguided liberals.
So, let's suppose the world followed the likes of far-right ideologies, even far-left mindsets like Maher and Hitchens, and the world decided to eradicate all Muslims and traces of Islam.
Would something else rise up to brainwash the lost into radical extremes?
Or would the world actually see a drastic reduction in radicalized terrorism?
Would something else rise up to brainwash the lost into radical extremes?
Or would the world actually see a drastic reduction in radicalized terrorism?
what do you think "something else" would be?
Religion is the greatest fraud ever.
I agree wholeheartedly. People are desperate to blame anything except the elephant in the room. The reason Trump is doing so well is that Clinton is so hamstrung by political correctness.
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For me there is something missing in someone's brain when they ascribe to organized religion. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what that is, but the inability to think critically and logically, on some level, has to play a part. What gets me, are the really intelligent people I've met that are religious. So many of them end up shifting the boundaries of what their religion really means, presumably so they can be at intellectual peace with it. Who knows if a God exists? I guarantee no human in history could answer that truthfully. The rest are just constructs of creative, desperate, controlling, limited, or fearful human minds (delete as appropriate). As mankind is inherently flawed, so is religion, which is nothing more than a man made lie. The world is just full of intolerant idiots mounting endless crusades against their fellow citizen; religion is just another facet of that endless suffering, bigotry and fear. It's far from being the root of all evil, as that's human nature, but it is another tool - a powerful one - to manifest it. I don't like to single out any particular religion for special criticism, because they are all fecking stupid to me, but you have to put Christianity and Islam right at the top of a steaming pile of shit.
Here's hoping, for the sake of humanity, that religion becomes an inconsequential element of society over the next 200 years.
Here's hoping, for the sake of humanity, that religion becomes an inconsequential element of society over the next 200 years.
Atheism is part of Marxist ideology which was used to overthrow governments and slaughter millions.
That said, I don't think that is any good reason for us not to move on from Abrahamic monotheistic ideology.
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Do you really believe that? Truly?
agreed.
leaving a toxic ideology be beacuse humanity is terrible and will "always kill for some other reason" is not a valid argument.
Yes I do. I think it's nonsense to follow a religion in 2016. Outdated stuff.
Is it OK if I don't share your belief?
The Quran predicted zoos? Didn't the Egyptians have zoos about 2000 years before it was written?
Yes.
To be fair, "atheism" is much older than Marxist ideology.
Of course, every individual can believe what they want. As long as it's not forced on people then no problem
I've been thinking about the terror attacks in France since Thurday night, and trying to understand how there is supposedly a good and bad islam. Shouldn't there be a thorough examination of the koran to determine whether it does actually teach what the terrorists are claiming? If it doesn't, why are these nutcases trying to carry out the will of allah from a book that condemns violence? or does it?
