I don't know what this means.
Religion, what's the point?
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I don't know what this means.
So as a christian you'll tell me where your church is only in private? Sounds doubtful and since you've now downgraded it to "criticism" were you fibbing when you said that I was goading you, threatening you? That's certainly not very christian either is it? Surely you are proud of your church and your standing in it? Or maybe not.
Why tell me and not anyone else? These forums are closed to the public so tell us who you are frightened of Herman. Who wouldn't you want to meet?
What has my what I said about my sister's church got to do with anything? This sounds very convoluted Herman.
Anybody can read the CE Forum, oates.
It made perfect sense in my head but I can see why anyone who wasn't there mightn't get it. Basically, she went to a few gigs and listened to lots of music, boasted about it and the emo kids would go to her and ask her questions about music and ask her to share songs with them and crap like that and she would answer everything with a sense of unflinching superiority without ever really saying that much and rarely giving away more than two songs. In this scenario Herman is Olivia and we're the emo kids.
Well I'm afraid we disagree Grinner. I'm only asking the same questions over and again which Herman has a problem with. First it's in private that he wants to tell me, to which I respond that I'd prefer not to try and say anything in private that we wouldn't say here on the forum. Nothing wrong with that, quite open and above board. Then suddenly he's afraid I'm an Islamic extremist. Bit bizarre to be discussing the bible with me one minute and then calling me a muslim the next.
But Herman seems to know his bible and he presents it more convincingly than oates, IMO.
I still fail to see any reason why he should be afraid to be open when he's held forth so freely on here.
Hence why he's an emo kid who wants more music!
Strange since I've only expressed a hope and texts which Herman cannot deny in the context of hope.
In any case, I think the way Herman follows the bible isn't all that different from the way Oates does. The only difference is that the way Herman gives his interpretation is far more confident. They both ignore large sections of the old testament which would see us living in the dark ages.
The biggest problem is that you twist everything I say and the situation as a whole. I am not calling you a Muslim. I am simply saying that, for all I know, you could be an extremist posing as a Christian and that anyone could be reading my posts on here with an intent to do some kind of harm to me based on the views I have expressed in this thread. I also don't know what you mean about being open and above board. I haven't done something I am not supposed to by keeping my personal details private.
You're making out as though i have an obligation to post my personal information on an open forum. I also have the problem of not being the only person who that would affect, so I can't offer the information publicly with good conscience, especially not when the person who claims to want to come and discuss the gospel with me is twisting everything I say and goading me into doing something he wouldn't do himself. Why is the standard different concerning your sister's church and my own? If it's not my business where your sister goes to church (and it really wouldn't be as far as local church is concerned), why do you say me protecting my own personal information is not a Christian thing to do?
For someone who's definitely going to heaven, Herman's awfully afraid.
It's okay Herman, I realise you aren't quite so ready to be as strong a christian as you've professed to be. I understand why you have to try and present this all as myself twisting what you are saying when in fact I'm only asking the same things over and over again. I'm always suspicious of people who want to communicate things in private when they've been so forthcoming on the forum.
What has the standard of my sisters church got to do with anything, her church going is her business and not mine to publish for her, I'd have thought that was pretty obvious and a bit more prevarication from you, of course it isn't my place to publish any of her details, she's not a poster on here.
Yup, just more prevarication. First I'm threatening you - no evidence, then I'm goading - no evidence, them I'm an Islamist Extremist - hardly, now it's my sisters private info. If you are frightened to be open and honest, above board with everyone then I'm not interested in anything you want to say when it is hidden.
You are aware this is my personal information, which I offered to share with you? My personal information, oates. Nobody has a right to demand that from me on the internet and I am suspicious of those who want me to post it publicly when I've offered it privately (which is far more than I am obligated to do). I am not alone in finding your posts unsettling. Grinner has also said that he thinks you're goading me with your messages and that I am right to be cautious.
And it really looks incredibly ugly that you continue to twist what I say. I've told you I am nervous about sharing intimate details on an open forum with people I don't know. If you consider that a moral victory of some kind, well done. You've won points over me. I am not brave enough (or stupid enough) to just share my personal details on a public forum at the drop of a hat in order to prove myself a strong Christian. That would be pure pride, by the way.
I'd love to see a debate between @Danny1982 and Herman.
It's not really funny when personal details come into it, though, is it?
Sorry haven't been following the discussions - which personal details ?
Hey @Danny1982 Herman hates Islam
I made no demands, I simply asked you. As I said, I'm always suspicious of people who are so forthcoming in public but want to suddenly have private conversations. I only asked you the location of your church, none of your private personal details, no name, no phone numbers or address, I'm afraid that's a bit of twisting the truth from you that is easily checked out.
You still cannot back up any of your claims unless it's to claim that Grinner says that I was goading you. Oh dear. Goading, how nasty. Terrible.
I can hardly twist asking you the same thing over and over again. A Location and then why private. Another claim easily debunked.
I know a few people in Newfrontiers Herman, I even know Guy and Dave D. It would have been such a simple matter just to say which church you went to, and I think everyone can see how you've twisted and turned.
Which church? Why did that have to be so... private eh Herman? Instead we've had quite a twist and turn.
Oates has been trying to get me to publicly disclose the church I attend so he can come and discuss the gospel with me. I offered to tell him via PM and now he insists that it should be "above board" and on the forum. Because of his insistence, I told him that I couldn't trust his motives. Hence the argument. I don't know. Perhaps somebody else could let me know why I am being unreasonable about this.
This thread 
...sob..
Half of the title actually got chopped off when the site updated. It's supposed to read: "Religion, what's the point in discussing it?"
But as the new people join, all original meaning is lost and people start to interpret OP differently, until posters start to form factions based on their own belief of OPs' intentions, while OP decides not to post any more because of the monstrosity he has created while he cries and wanks in the corner.
But as the new people join, all original meaning is lost and people start to interpret OP differently, until posters start to form factions based on their own belief of OPs' intentions, while OP decides not to post any more because of the monstrosity he has created while he cries and wanks in the corner.
The difference between us is I discuss and debate the gospel. I don't target individuals such as yourself. Your replies to me inevitably end up being about me and how I am a WUM or how I am not what I say I am, etc. And your language has been tough to bear for me since it is coming from somebody who claims to know Christ. You continually insult me and then ask personal questions which have nothing to do with the theological matters we're discussing. And when I don't trust your motives because you insist I disclose the name of my church on a public forum, you come out with all this.
I don't know why my offer of sending the name of my church to you via PM is so offensive or why it's unchristian of me. That remains a mystery. I thought it was a good will gesture to offer the name of my church to you via PM since I only know you as a poster on red cafe.
I am not going to treat you in the same way you have me, so I suppose it's pointless to carry on with this argument if there's no reconciliation in sight and no sign of a return to discussing theology.
Oates you do sound like some kind of assassin though.
I think oates said that a few pages back.
... don't cry Herman.. it's all over, I'll never ask you where you go to church again..
I hope no-one asks you where you went to school or where you've been on your hols...
You don't have to discuss anything you're not comfortable with - whether publicly or over PM.
I'm deadly in an elevator after sprouts SR.
I didn't deny you that information, though. I think you should reconsider the way you casually insult and mock me since you seem to enjoy doing that far more than the non-religious posters in this thread. I am not sure how I am supposed to respond in any meaningful way to: "don't cry Herman..."
You're doing the right thing in taking the high road Herman. This thread would be fairly pointless without your contributions.
Please Herman.. don't.. I'm filling up here...
I promise, if I ever see someone asking you even a vaguely personal question I'll jump on them as if they're a hand grenade.. honest
God forbid...
I wonder if this 'god' gives a feck about people arguing over words he didn't write on the internet?
I suppose for my part, I have no problem in entertaining the possibility of something creating us. I also have no problem with people being religious or even talking to me about it - though I will add that I have expressed interest in learning about christianity and even attended a few Christianity Explored (I'm not sure if that's a general program or specific to one church) meetings with a girlfriend, however I found the answers quite unsatisfactory. I just think it's a bit unrealistic for people to expect or want or even force others in this day and age to follow some archaic books which were written by man and translated, interpreted and chopped and changed over many generations across hundreds of languages.
The biggest thing for me though, is I just don't accept or believe that a god holds himself to the arrogance of man that he should be worshipped. I think if he does exist he'd be far more interested in how we have lived our lives than how we have followed a largely irrelevant book of stories. Especially a book that people pick and choose what they want from.
I suppose for my part, I have no problem in entertaining the possibility of something creating us. I also have no problem with people being religious or even talking to me about it - though I will add that I have expressed interest in learning about christianity and even attended a few Christianity Explored (I'm not sure if that's a general program or specific to one church) meetings with a girlfriend, however I found the answers quite unsatisfactory. I just think it's a bit unrealistic for people to expect or want or even force others in this day and age to follow some archaic books which were written by man and translated, interpreted and chopped and changed over many generations across hundreds of languages.
The biggest thing for me though, is I just don't accept or believe that a god holds himself to the arrogance of man that he should be worshipped. I think if he does exist he'd be far more interested in how we have lived our lives than how we have followed a largely irrelevant book of stories. Especially a book that people pick and choose what they want from.
By the way, who is Hectic?