You don't understand. He has zero interest in converting people. If we deserved salvation, we would have been believers already, ready to heap all glory and honour onto the Lord.
Religion, what's the point?
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You don't understand. He has zero interest in converting people. If we deserved salvation, we would have been believers already, ready to heap all glory and honour onto the Lord.
And all these years later, he still hasn't accomplished it. You suck god.
"Hi, I'm an all loving god. Apart from you, I don't love you."
He's only all powerful, what do you expect him to be? Competent?
He's a convert nimnom.
Actually, I want as many to be saved as I can influence but God is the one who saves through the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is all I repeatedly hold up. I cannot convert anybody myself. It isn't my job to; it's my job to proclaim the truth in love. That's it.
How much does that pay?
It is of eternal worth, Ryan. It pays in an imperishable crown.
Eternal Salvation and blowjobs from slutty nuns
The tax on that must be eye watering.
No estate tax though, because eternal life and what not.
Cameron's Britain eh?Paid in full by the blood of the Lamb.
Well not really. I agree he's one of them christians that I like because he's not in your face about it but he still believes in nonsense so deserves to be challenged by the likes of us who don't believe. He also is a wishy-washy, when-it-suits-him christian if you think Herman is right. In that case he isn't a true christian.
I wish all of these 'nice' christians like Oates and Penna were more like Herman because I think it'd die out quicker if they were. Far too many modern christians claim to be religious when all they've done is tailored the religion to meet the needs and requirements of their own modern lives. It's far easier to be an Oates christian than a Herman christian but I do think Herman's version is the truer one.
You stated in the post I quoted that man is evil in the sight of the lord. I just quoted you or christ. So is man evil or not?
But again why? Your god is all knowing. He knows what you will and wont do too because he's omnipresent. Your fate is already decided.
Man is evil in the sight of the Lord because every man sins.
Trusting in God's sovereignty doesn't lead to fatalism, just confidence that God will work all things together for good, knowing who he is.
Bit below the belt Grinner when you have no idea of mine or Penna's commitment to being christians. But that's okay, we won't tell you. It's because personally I don't think this is the right forum or that many people currently posting here would be seriously interested in hearing it. I still love you, so does Jesus and he told me to turn the other cheek. Here it is, do your best.
Joe Pesci!
Ok so every man sins but god trusted man to write his word down in the bible yes? So is it hard to believe that a sinful man may have written a bible to match his own needs and not gods?
How exactly will god work things for the good and how do you know who god is?
Bit below the belt Grinner when you have no idea of mine or Penna's commitment to being christians. But that's okay, we won't tell you. It's because personally I don't think this is the right forum or that many people currently posting here would be seriously interested in hearing it. I still love you, so does Jesus and he told me to turn the other cheek. Here it is, do your best.
Well I'm not trying to be mean, it's just my opinion which is worth feck-all. I can only go by what I read on here. It seems that you both aren't as committed as Herman and with my limited knowledge of the bible I think you're not doing what you're supposed to as christians.
I get the impression that neither of you are fiery or try and spread the message in your real lives like Herman does. If I'm wrong then I hold my hands up.
It's wishy-washy christians who perpetuate the myth IMO. Organized religion milks them and stays strong and relevant. I'd like to see all of those people just be excellent to each other without all of the nonsense that christianity demands.
God had men regenerated by the Holy Spirit write his word down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
God works all things together for good because he is sovereign over everything that happens. Knowing the end from the beginning, God weaves a narrative together that glorifies the Son of God. All of creation exists for this single purpose; to testify to the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you think there could be any more word to come or is that it? Might god think that it'd be a good thing to update it a bit?
It's good of you to hold your hands up like that Grinner, considering the sum of what we all know about each other then making judgements based on what we read on here would be a mistake wouldn't it? Herman talks a good story, he may even be the real deal and I haven't made any judgement on that. If Herman hadn't come on here and told us his opinion on other denominations then I wouldn't have been able to express an opinion on that either.
Well we have to make judgments based on the evidence here...that's all there is to go on.
No we don't, we don't all assume that we know everything about someone from what we read on here. I don't and I also know that it wouldn't be that simple in getting an accurate impression. I'm surprised you do though.
The Book of Revelation precludes that, Grinner. The Book of Revelation gives us the conclusion of the story and finishes by stating that nothing can be taken away and nothing added to the prophecy of the Book of Revelation. It ends with a prohibition of altering the book, the promise that Jesus is coming soon and gives a final pronouncement of blessing.
There isn't any word to add because we're told how the end times will unfold and what their conclusion will be in the final book of the Bible, the Book of Revelation.
lol
This is the CE where you make a stand and say what you really think. There's no reason for you to withhold anything if you're in here and arguing a position.
Tell me what am I wrong about and I'll happily listen.
What are his views on other denominations? I don't really read his posts...
But these were men. Born in sin. Capable as you say of evil. What stops them writing the word of god to meet their own evil means? Also this inspiration you speak of. Many things inspire men to write but men may not be accurate in writing about their inspiration. They may be blinded by their inspiration and write something void of fact because of their obscession.
Your second statement makes no sense in the context of the first because god is jesus and god knows everything so therefore jesus knows everything.
People have a right to believe in nonsense, to be fair. I'd much rather people tailor the nonsense to be acceptable and beneficial in modern life than people stick, die hard, to the often barbaric original version of whatever it is they believe. I'd also much rather everyone respect everyone else's right to believe in nonsense if they want to. All this "my nonsense is more valid than your nonsense" nonsense gets right up my nose, so it does.
Plus, I'm not sure what the point in challenging someone like oates' views are, really. He's not shoving them on anyone else nor is he using them to outwardly judge other people on the internet. You're not going to get a religious person to go "Oh, shit, yeh. Logic and reason does dictate that most of this is likely rubbish. I'll stop believing right away!". Similarly you're never going to accept their justification for believing since it inherently relies on faith that me and you presumably don't have.
The problem lies in the fact we are ambassadors for Christ, and your words/actions on here are supposed to be representative of Christ. We are all maturing in that process (I consider it a part of the sanctification process) but to mature in Christ you have to put all things in subjection to him. I would echo Paul in encouraging you to that end, oates.
they're all charlatans
Right, I get that. But the bible is really hard to follow since it is based in times when you had slaves, asses, oil lamps and funny names.
They weren't very complimentary Dota. I can't bring myself to repeat them.
Yes they do but the church has institutional power because of these nonsense believers which impacts all of us who don't believe. That's why they need to be challenged.
That's sufficient, to be honest.
Herman, perhaps I could echo Peter, 1 Peter 5:5 "Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."