Religion, what's the point?

Personally I think there's difference in claiming something works for you and claiming that you are so special that you will be awarded eternal life, simply because of the ancient fairy tale you chose to believe in. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also think that everyone else (who doesn't share the delusion) deserves to be tortured forever in hell. They also believe that we're are the only life in over 100 billion galaxies, each with 100 billion stars and trillions of planets. That is the epitome of arrogance and that's my problem with it.

Who gives a feck? If that gives Christians/religious people comfort live and let live I'd say
 
The problem with that quote is that one would not need to kill an innocent person in self defence. Killing in self defence implies that one has already been wronged (i.e. threatened). The sub clause need not be there.
I thought being wronged and self-defence are separated as past and present. That may prove the point that in can be mis-interpreted or may prove the point that things being written out of context can be dangerous because the lead up to that paragraph includes a statement that states that all muslims must seek to forgive... it's a tough call.

Too much religious talk here and this is the reason I wish I never posted anything on this thread. I'm off to see if Vidal is ArturON :devil:
 
I thought being wronged and self-defence are separated as past and present. That may prove the point that in can be mis-interpreted or may prove the point that things being written out of context can be dangerous because the lead up to that paragraph includes a statement that states that all muslims must seek to forgive... it's a tough call.

Too much religious talk here and this is the reason I wish I never posted anything on this thread. I'm off to see if Vidal is ArturON :devil:

Think of it as an immediate threat. I was thinking the same thing, it seems easily misinterpreted.
 
You want to continue this, it's fine by me.
So you're anti-Catholic and antisemitic. Nice.

Let me correct this since this isn't the first time you've been guilty of bearing false witness against me. I am anti-Roman Catholicism, not all the poeple who are Catholic and I am certainly not antisemitic. This is a lie you're now spreading from one thread to another. I am what you would call a Zionist and antisemitism would be totally illogical given that Jesus Christ, in his incarnation, is of Jewish descent, as were all the first Christians, so what business would I have being antisemitic?

You want to know why I asked people to consider why so many have a special hatred for the Jewish people? Because it is in fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. It has nothing to do with some kind of antisemitic subtext, as you accused me of. But I've seen that you have no interest in the truth through each of your replies to me.
 
Let me correct this since this isn't the first time you've been guilty of bearing false witness against me. I am anti-Roman Catholicism, not all the poeple who are Catholic and I am certainly not antisemitic. This is a lie you're now spreading from one thread to another. I am what you would call a Zionist and antisemitism would be totally illogical given that Jesus Christ, in his incarnation, is of Jewish descent, as were all the first Christians, so what business would I have being antisemitic?

You want to know why I asked people to consider why so many have a special hatred for the Jewish people? Because it is in fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. It has nothing to do with some kind of antisemitic subtext, as you accused me of. But I've seen that you have no interest in the truth through each of your replies to me.
'Bearing false witness', give it a rest. The mods already had their fun. Why the hell would I lie about you?
'I have no interest in the truth'? You know what I have no interest in? Being treated like shit by people like you.

Discuss theology like decent people or feck the hell off.
 
I hope a little comic won't offend

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Not only is it a terrible argument for those reasons alone, it's made considerably worse when you consider many religious people are not brought up with their religion but are converts. By your logic, does that make a convert more enlightened than a non-convert? :lol:

I would be willing to put on a sizable wager that over 95% of religious people follow the faith that they were brought up with/indoctrinated into.
 
I would be willing to put on a sizable wager that over 95% of religious people follow the faith that they were brought up with/indoctrinated into.

Sure. Just as I tended to take the non-religious views of the rest of my family when I was growing up, particularly my parents. There are still many religious people who are converts, however.
 
Yes. My nephew was converted and it has turned him into a wanker. When he was a kid he was obsessed with dinosaurs and knew all about them. Now he denies their existence. He is a little autistic and was an easy target for Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
Sure. Just as I tended to take the non-religious views of the rest of my family when I was growing up, particularly my parents. There are still many religious people who are converts, however.

I only read your whole post after I had replied and realised you weren't claiming any different. So yes, there are many converts.
 
Yes. My nephew was converted and it has turned him into a wanker. When he was a kid he was obsessed with dinosaurs and knew all about them. Now he denies their existence. He is a little autistic and was an easy target for Jehovah's Witnesses.

I am sorry to hear that.
 
I thought it said that in the bible though.

The Bible doesn't tell us when the earth was created. You can use the ancestral lines it contains to draw up an estimate of the time since Adam was created (although those estimates vary and it depends on how complete you deem them to be) but the earth itself and the universe is anybody's guess. God said to Job, where were you when i laid the foundations of the earth? I don't deny the events of Genesis and so I affirm they really happened, I just don't claim they're a complete history. It's the theologically relevant stuff that was recorded therein. There isn't a failproof way to attribute a date to many of them, however. So I don't try to.
 
Herman is like a religious guru we can use to guide us in our sin filled lives. This thread is his home forever.
 
Did the big flood happen and was Noah real?

Yes. I believe that. According to Jesus the last days (which technically began when Jesus ascended to be with the Father) will be like the days of Noah.

Herman! You're such a sneaky fecker. Tell me why the hell you called me a Satan!

I don't know why you're calling for my attention. I didn't call you Satan, I said that what you were doing, by quoting scripture out of context, was the same method Satan used to tempt Christ in the wilderness.
 
I don't know why you're calling for my attention. I didn't call you Satan, I said that what you were doing, by quoting scripture out of context, was the same method Satan used to tempt Christ in the wilderness.
I've been calling for your attention because we discussed things on the Caf. That's how it works.
I certainly weren't quoting out of context; couldn't be more spot on.
 
Let me correct this since this isn't the first time you've been guilty of bearing false witness against me. I am anti-Roman Catholicism, not all the poeple who are Catholic and I am certainly not antisemitic.

Catholic convert from the CofE here (recent one, too) - if you are a Christian, what do you consider is wrong with Catholicism, then? :)
 
Well, just read the Bible and then line up with it what the Catholic Church teaches. You be the judge.
I assume then that you believe in sola scriptura, Herman.

How about the opulence of it's leaders for starters?
That's something the Pope is trying to address by example - but that's not the religion per se. Herman said he didn't mind Catholic people, but he didn't like the RC faith.
 
I assume then that you believe in sola scriptura, Herman.


That's something the Pope is trying to address by example - but that's not the religion per se. Herman said he didn't mind Catholic people, but he didn't like the RC faith.

I agree with both points. I am a man of the five Solas. Sola fide (by faith alone), sola scriptura (by scripture alone), solus Christus (through Christ alone), sola gratia (by grace alone), soli deo gloria (glory be to God alone).
 
Ah thanks adexkola, I only started reading around the time that dear Waltraute became a fallen angel.

Read one comment up from yours.

Regardless of my stance on the solas, I don't think it excuses the Roman Catholic Church for contradicting scripture in so many of its teachings. If I was to believe there could be some authoritative tradition that God has blessed outside of scripture, then it couldn't be contradictory to God's word.