it's not hard to do it right, if it was like this I think far less people would whinge, even if the decision is wrong at least it's transparent
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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Never gonna happen here.
They're either utterly incompetent or bent.
Either way, it would make them answerable and the FA will never go for it.
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Ah fair enough, I just remember them being similar incidents that didn’t lead to much action. Nothing much in it anyway as you say.
So if I get pushed into the ball and it hits my arm, I get punished? Seems odd but fair enough I guess.
If you get fouled you get a free kick. If you don’t, you don’t. It clearly wasn’t a foul, it only happens because Hudson Odoi puts his arm up.
I probably wouldn’t care if it was at least acknowledged it happened. Sky sat and watched replays of it and it’s not at least a talking point? The scrutiny of any decision United gets is clearly causing implications. That can only happen when people completely ignore things that potentially go against us and only shows those that do.
Not very likely.
Not entirely sure what it has to do with the situation between CHO and Greenwood
He didn't get pushed though.
What makes me laugh is that Chelsea were screaming for handball when they thought it had hit greenwoods arm.
Ref could've though CHOs hand was moved to the ball (not on purpose) by Greenwood as Greenwood was running.
Look at the pic below. I'm not saying that he didn't handle it or that Greenwood fouled him, just looking for a possible reason the ref didn't give it!
We know the ref didn’t look at that still though. We could see the angle he was looking at.Ref could've though CHOs hand was moved to the ball (not on purpose) by Greenwood as Greenwood was running.
Look at the pic below. I'm not saying that he didn't handle it or that Greenwood fouled him, just looking for a possible reason the ref didn't give it!
Ref could've though CHOs hand was moved to the ball (not on purpose) by Greenwood as Greenwood was running.
Look at the pic below. I'm not saying that he didn't handle it or that Greenwood fouled him, just looking for a possible reason the ref didn't give it!
It's Attwell, he's incompetent.
yep this, unless CHO walks like an Egyptian that's a pen all day long under the ridiculous laws we have in place now
Sure but I'd just love to know his reasoning, he must have came to the decision somehow.
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scared to give a pen
If he thought giving that pen would lead to less media coverage than not giving it, he's thicker than he looks.
He thought it would lead to more coverage than not giving it I would have assumed
I was very surprised Utd didn't get a pen for CHO incident.
Then again I was also surprised Maguire wasn't done for fouling Lescalles in the prior game. Also that Rashford got a pen and not booked for diving. Same for Salah in game v City.
Also in the reverse Chelsea fixture v Utd holding Azpi like a WWE match.
Also surprised TAA wasn't sent off V Arsenal.
I could go on.
We all know Utd got 42 pens in OGS first 115 games for Utd. That is just the statistics. About double any other team has ever had in same amount of games I think
If anyone can find a similar run of pens in a top league I'd be interested to see it ?
Since that was pointed out, Utd have had a more normal number.
Is what Maguire said accurate, probably but it shouldn't surprise Utd fans.
Then again I was also surprised Maguire wasn't done for fouling Lescalles in the prior game. Also that Rashford got a pen and not booked for diving. Same for Salah in game v City.
Also in the reverse Chelsea fixture v Utd holding Azpi like a WWE match.
Also surprised TAA wasn't sent off V Arsenal.
I could go on.
We all know Utd got 42 pens in OGS first 115 games for Utd. That is just the statistics. About double any other team has ever had in same amount of games I think
If anyone can find a similar run of pens in a top league I'd be interested to see it ?
Since that was pointed out, Utd have had a more normal number.
Is what Maguire said accurate, probably but it shouldn't surprise Utd fans.
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Why do you think that was
If it's going to be equally shit, then please don't.
Why look at photos when you have the video of it? This image means absolutely nothing.Ref could've though CHOs hand was moved to the ball (not on purpose) by Greenwood as Greenwood was running.
Look at the pic below. I'm not saying that he didn't handle it or that Greenwood fouled him, just looking for a possible reason the ref didn't give it!
That photo is incredibly clear and shows the point CHO handled it (and Greenwoods arm right underneath CHOs hand).
I thought a pen would be given. I'm just reaching for a possible reason the ref might not have given it.
Thats not what the rule says though. Youre making it up as you go along here
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Yes good discussion. I think everyone can agree that handball is a mess and needs clarity. I just thought this was a fairly simple one - it’s like the Pogba one I flagged earlier or the Smalling one versus Torino last year. There’s no way they intended to handball it but it’s usually regarded as a clear penalty when you can avoid a handball and it’s your own clumsiness which prevents you from doing so. The number of handballs which are truly “deliberate” in the area has always been minimal.
Why does that matter? So what we've reached our quota and the refs can't give anymore?
That also shows Greenwoods arm right underneath CHOs, thanks. I think the mystery is solved.Nope.
I've acknowledged repeatedly that I understand that it isn't what the rule states. I'm talking about how it has been interpreted historically.
This sums it up perfectly.
I have no doubt we will see a similar incident soon and a penalty will be given.
Wouldnt surprise me if Chelsea get one vs Liverpool now
Wouldnt surprise me if Chelsea get one vs Liverpool now
You should’ve stopped typing here. Nothing else is relevant to the incident in question.
I have no doubt we will see a similar incident soon and a penalty will be given.
Wouldnt surprise me if Chelsea get one vs Liverpool now
Wouldn't surprise me if it's Attwell giving it
I have no doubt we will see a similar incident soon and a penalty will be given.
Wouldnt surprise me if Chelsea get one vs Liverpool now
That would be delicious. The only thing nicer than a win against a side you don't like is winning with via debatable call.
I agree nothing wrong with the discussion, that is what a forum is about.
My point was that there was no advantage gained by the defender in the Gundogan incident, therefore if that is how they are interpreting the rule, it should not be a penalty. But it was given even though there was no advantage by the defender as the ball was going out of play and reach of Gundogan. The outcome was not changed but they gave a penalty. On top of that he fouled the other player first.
If they were consistent in decisions it would be much easier for fans/pundits/players/managers to understand. Of course with anything that includes humans there will be different views but the completely opposing decisions being given even after VAR is getting crazy. In the game this year, it’s a clear handball and penalty, there are just too many that are similar that have been given.
Again, appreciate the discussion and understand that some of us will disagree over various topics.
Common sense, real time officiating that VAR has eradicated from the game, leaving us with the handball farce we’ve been enduring this season.
You know what's more clear? That actual video. The image does not show if the Arm is going up or down, if this being pulled or pushed. It means nothing.
Take a look at the footage and be done with it. It is penalty, a soft one, but that's not Mason's fault.
It's that old "unnatural" position of the arm.
Ah I see. Yeah, I take your point, but I do think fouls and handballs are slightly different from each other personally. A foul is a foul - they're called regardless of whether a defender benefits. Handball is and always has been a gray area - apart from the utter disaster that was early this season when they were calling it on black and white terms (e.g. the Dier incident).
This is why I think the outcome of the touch is important to consider in the case of handball. Even though it's not explicitly codified in the laws, historically referees have considered the magnitude of an advantage gained by the defender as a result of an accidental handball. For me this is why I don't believe it to be handball, because Greenwood retained possession and wasn't impeded in the slightest by the touch.