Did they review this incident?
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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Did they review this incident?
Fair enough! I just would focus more on the outcome rather than the action itself, personally. Appreciate the discussion mate!
Not trying to WUM but I'm not exactly following you here, apologies.
Spot on. This is exactly what I've been trying to say.
Not sure how anyone can watch that and think Mount is the one who did something wrong!
Mount kicked him after the foul, Fred got yellow for the foul, Mount was lucky he didn't get anything for that.And he connected, even if just briefly. Can imagine a different player than Fred rolling around in agony from that and drawing more attention to it
Fernandinho would've taken full advantage of that kickout by little Mounty.
As a bare minimum, Mount should've had a yellow.
Can't really much from Attwell though, he's an absolute useless referee.
Fred should have.
Well they tell us they review everything so they must have done.
It's a bit naughty but there isn't that much contact/aggression in it (similar with Martial on Lamela for example - which most people thought wasn't red worthy), so yellow card worthy at most, probably why there was no action (as VAR can't give yellows)
It’s the kind of stuff I thought VAR may have been introduced to pick up on, the sneaky kick outs missed by the ref, clearly not.
it is laughable how much people over-react to VAR. although its no different to how much people over reacted to refereeing decisions pre VAR.
there would have been just as much angst about the handball in pre VAR times as there is now.
there would have been just as much angst about the handball in pre VAR times as there is now.
Arm not in natural position, away from body and moving towards the ball, this is so clear handball without a question mark and have been given many times this season based on those reasons.
My suggestion is they need to have a meeting and have discussion regarding everything not just handball. What is handball and what is not handball, what is a red card and what is not a red and etc. This bunch of group people have no clue what they are doing and that’s why they are making inconsistent decision.
My suggestion is they need to have a meeting and have discussion regarding everything not just handball. What is handball and what is not handball, what is a red card and what is not a red and etc. This bunch of group people have no clue what they are doing and that’s why they are making inconsistent decision.
What was Fred's reaction? There was not one at all because he didn't kick him.
He kicked out a bit after getting smashed but didn't connect.
I know you lot are in full conspiracy mode but there was nothing in this other than Fred being a lucky boy to only get a yellow.
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there wouldn’t because people could accept mistakes made in real time, that handball was hard to see and I thought it was mason who handled it in real time. With replays and freeze frames and still making an iffy decision, that leaves a different sour taste feeling.
Seriously? Watch properly you might see it.
Fred should have rolled on the floor, shame he is not a "Smart cnut" as Jose would like to say.
2nd bold part, talk about conspiracy mode and then follow it up with "lucky to get only yellow"
Mount definitely got Fred on the left ankle. Missed Fred's leg in front but got him on the back one.
He did connect
Fred didn't seem to notice, if he did connect. I'm not talking about rolling around, there was literally zero reaction.
Never more then a yellow for Fred, just as it's never more then a yellow (if that) for Mount.
I don't think there would have - because in real time very few people spotted the handball. So I think there would have been a much greater level of sympathy with the ref.
It is a bit weird/daft the yellow card rules with VAR.
It can:
- Give a Yellow Card if VAR awards a free kick due to a goal or penalty being cancelled
- Give a Yellow Card instead of a Red Card
It can't
- Give Yellow Cards for off the ball incidents (Why? It's not like showing Mount a yellow yesterday for example would add on a bunch of time)
- Remove second yellow cards that result in a red (because a straight red card and a red card for two yellows are completely different of course?)
I get like, not wanting to get involved in the weeds of every free kick/yellow card decision... but not sure why they pointlessly limit themselves.
There is nothing in that because Fred didn't roll on the ground. It was clear yellow card offense, but Chelsea players escaped so many yellows kicking James all game, so wasn't surprising Mount didn't get one.
I was one of the very few
I spotted the hand ball in real time and was wondering why ref didn't give penalty.
I was one of the very few
I spotted the hand ball in real time and was wondering why ref didn't give penalty.
Then you have eagle eyes my friend - I like Tyler and Neville thought Mason handballed it!
Probably a good case study though, would you have been equally frustrated by the decision if the ref hadn't been able to watch it clear as day on a screen?.
It was a wimpy meaningless kick yes but it did connect Only Fred was too busy worrying what the ref was going to do, if he was ‘cleverer’ he would have flopped back down and rolled around. I don’t like players doing that but they do and it works, especially these days with VAR and the doubt that surrounds everything.
Ofcourse he connects.
Fred not making a meal out of it is not the definition of making contact or not.
Fred not making a meal out of it is not the definition of making contact or not.
That's the problem isn't it, previously there was a good deal of sympathy on refs as it all happens in a split second and they are humans too without much help. Now they have all the assistance, replays, multiple angles and still make poor decisions.
They didn’t review Maguire’s kick out last season either, can’t complain really.
He barely touches him. If he made more meaningful contact they definitely would have reviewed it.
They did.
They did review that, just didn't think it was a red for Maguire.
But yeah this Mount thing is a much a muchness... Its a yellow card at most, who cares?
That’s the main issue with VAR and how it’s being used imo. The over scrutiny of everything (accept clear kick outs that may only be yellows) is just too much.
I kind of feel sorry for the refs because a lot of decisions when slowed down and freeze framed will be seen differently by lots of people, it’s putting so much pressure on the ref in that moment and a lot of the time there is no black and white right answer, it’s going to make them constantly second guess themselves which will lead to more mistakes made.
In a match where Chelsea were pretty much allowed to do whatever they wanted to break up our attacks, i care.
That's a slightly different issue to an off the ball incident he probably didn't spot though.
To be fair the ref was spotting the fouls, he was just constantly playing advantage (fine) but then not going back to address the foul, give a yellow.
Regarding the CHO incident. I'll admit that over the past couple of years I've come to the realisation that I probably don't understand the handball laws (or I do and the refs don't, which I hope is not true!).
I'm real time I thought no way it was pen. On slow-mo replay viewing I was sure he'd give the pen under the rules as I understand them.
Is there anything in the laws to not give a pen because both players were jostling and CHO's arm got knocked to the ball by Greenwoods arm? That's maybe a logical reason to not give a pen but I do get that logic and refereeing decisions don't go hand in hand.
I'm real time I thought no way it was pen. On slow-mo replay viewing I was sure he'd give the pen under the rules as I understand them.
Is there anything in the laws to not give a pen because both players were jostling and CHO's arm got knocked to the ball by Greenwoods arm? That's maybe a logical reason to not give a pen but I do get that logic and refereeing decisions don't go hand in hand.
The ref in the van telling the ref on the pitch to look at it again is such bullshit really. Just tell him he missed it and that he should give the pen.
"Maybe you wanna check that again" is such a cop out, puts pressure on the pitch ref and slows everything down.
"Maybe you wanna check that again" is such a cop out, puts pressure on the pitch ref and slows everything down.
It used to be a way to sell it to the audience at the begininng but now it's pointless, even more so in England where they did everything in their power to feck it up...