Reece James

You said Salah would score goals with or without Trent or Robertson so I gave an example of him scoring less without them.

Yes, you did. For some reason. Forward in scoring less with no service shocker.
 
This guy is genuinely one of the best players in the PL. He was already brilliant last season, which got largely ignored because his attacking numbers weren’t as high as this season. He is a complete full back with practically zero weaknesses to his game. Comparing him to Trent is a bit needless, both are fantastic players, and who’s better only depends on the set-up.
 
Would rather have James and De Bruyne or Trent and Kante?

Liverpool are arguably the best team in the world. And they are built around Trent

Both statements are a stretch and my answer would be James and KDB easily. Given their strengths in their respective positions means better balance. As a pair they'd be as great in a team that has 70% possession, as they would be in one that has 30%.
 
You generally don't judge the strenght of teams based on 2 games. Chelsea match up well against Liverpool, but a look at the PL table and advanced stats makes the difference very clear

Does the 'advanced stats' include injury records? Because that is pretty much the difference this season.

Games missed:

James - 17
Chilwell - most of the season
Christensen - 9
Kante - 12
Kovacic - 11
Pulisic - 14
Lukaku - 9
Werner - 10

Under any normal injury season we would have given City a serious run.

These are just the notable ones and many of them had multiple issues, played with injuries on occasion, and were forced to come back earlier than expected. It was a 6/7 week period that destroyed our season. Before that period we were a few points clear at the top and playing some good football.
 
Only you would know that, as can happen when you use ambiguous terminology.
Fair. Might have been a bit too lazy explaining my point there. Which is: Liverpool have better players than Chelsea
 
Does the 'advanced stats' include injury records? Because that is pretty much the difference this season.

Games missed:

James - 17
Chilwell - most of the season
Christensen - 9
Kante - 12
Kovacic - 11
Pulisic - 14
Lukaku - 9
Werner - 10

Under any normal injury season we would have given City a serious run.

These are just the notable ones and many of them had multiple issues, played with injuries on occasion, and were forced to come back earlier than expected. It was a 6/7 week period that destroyed our season. Before that period we were a few points clear at the top and playing some good football.

With or without the injury records the stats show Chelsea were actually outperforming given the amount of chances they created.

Injuries or no injuries this Chelsea side have yet to prove they can get the 93+ points it will take to win the league this season.
 
With or without the injury records the stats show Chelsea were actually outperforming given the amount of chances they created.

Injuries or no injuries this Chelsea side have yet to prove they can get the 93+ points it will take to win the league this season.

Sure. Not unsurprising given the slow start to the season with multiple fitness issues. But it's the unusual injury record that derailed the season. The stats also showed that up to that point the team were on track to break PL defensive records.

Yes, the Chelsea side under Tuchel, that hasn't yet won the league, certainly has to prove that they can win it...
 
Any doubts that this lad isn't absolutely elite surely erased now. Top performance despite being booked early on. All the more impressive that he's just come back from a 3 month injury.
 
Any doubts that this lad isn't absolutely elite surely erased now. Top performance despite being booked early on. All the more impressive that he's just come back from a 3 month injury.
Are you saying he’s better than Dalot / AWB?
 
Any doubts that this lad isn't absolutely elite surely erased now. Top performance despite being booked early on. All the more impressive that he's just come back from a 3 month injury.
Yeah after that booking i thought Vini would destroy him. But he pocketed him for 90+ minutes. Absolutely brilliant defensively.
 
Yeah after that booking i thought Vini would destroy him. But he pocketed him for 90+ minutes. Absolutely brilliant defensively.

Excellent offensively as well. You just know that the media will be up in arms if he starts ahead of TAA for England in the World Cup even though he is clearly the better fullback overall.
 
He's really very good. Those injuries are a problem though.
 
If I could pick just one player from Chelsea to play for United it would be him. He is a machine of RB. Built like an absolute tank too.
 
If I could pick just one player from Chelsea to play for United it would be him. He is a machine of RB. Built like an absolute tank too.

Yep. Of all the players that have come through recently I think he's the best of the lot. I don't think I've ever seen him outmuscled/bullied in a 50/50 either, which is a huge asset defensively. Probably similar to how players bounce off of Pogba for you lot.
 
Quite a few here gave me stick during the City v Liverpool game the other day for suggesting he’s better than Trent but I stand by it. Trent is better going forward, yes, but Reece is a monster both attacking and defending.
 
Overall, he's a better player than TAA. James's delivery and attacking play is still very good, but TAA is better in different ways. But James can control an entire side as a fullback or wing back. Funny thing is, his sister Lauren might be better than him, ha! She's a great talent and nice to see the siblings with their family again, even if that meant Lauren moved down south from Manchester United.
 
So basically every English RB is excellent for modern football yet we chose to spend 50m on AwB.
 
He's a phenomenon. He has that Zidane like quality where time seems to slow down for him on the ball and he always comes away with it, some of those touches today were crazy. It's actually a bit of a shame that he's defensively so good because I'd love to see him play as an attacker.

Still only 22 as well. Him being fit really elevates Chelsea into a team that can compete against anyone.
 
He’s a bit good, isn’t he. Basically a combination of Antonio Valencia’s physique, Azpilicueta’s defending and midfielder’s technique and vision.
 
After that initial nutmeg and card, he could have lost himself out there. The fact he didn't is a proof he is a very very good player

Yep. Of all the players that have come through recently I think he's the best of the lot. I don't think I've ever seen him outmuscled/bullied in a 50/50 either, which is a huge asset defensively. Probably similar to how players bounce off of Pogba for you lot.
They used to, not anymore
 
Highly impressive.

Such a shame Shaw can’t seem to have a consistent season, this should have been him we are all talking about
 
Best right back in the world and destined to be Englands GOAT in that position. So so comfortable at the highest level.
 
People rave about Trent but this kid is the best much much better than Trent.
 
Quite a few here gave me stick during the City v Liverpool game the other day for suggesting he’s better than Trent but I stand by it. Trent is better going forward, yes, but Reece is a monster both attacking and defending.

I'd like to see him play as an RB in a back 4 before making any claims for defence. He might be brilliant but we just don't know yet.

Conversely, I'd like to see Trent in a back five. Maybe for England?
 
I'd like to see him play as an RB in a back 4 before making any claims for defence. He might be brilliant but we just don't know yet.

Conversely, I'd like to see Trent in a back five. Maybe for England?

We've used a back 4 pretty regularly when he's been fit - last night he was playing more as a RCB / RB than as a wing-back anyways. In the first leg we shifted the momentum in the second half because we switched to a back 4 and James took on Vinicius 1v1.

I think Trent is great but it's pretty obvious he's not as good as James defensively. Especially in isolated situations.
 
We've used a back 4 pretty regularly when he's been fit - last night he was playing more as a RCB / RB than as a wing-back anyways. In the first leg we shifted the momentum in the second half because we switched to a back 4 and James took on Vinicius 1v1.

I think Trent is great but it's pretty obvious he's not as good as James defensively. Especially in isolated situations.

Yeah I agree with one on one situations I shuffle uneasily in my seat with Trent. But Trent yesterday would have put enough quality balls to have seen you qualify for the semi finals. Not just good balls, but real, on a plate, gilt edged chances.

I can't see Reece doing that while playing a crazy high line in a back 4 against City, etc. :eek: :nervous:
 
I was impressed with him. I hope RM goes for him.

Trent cannot defend. It's as simple as that. He is even worse then Marcelo at defending.
 
Agent Vini :p

Hey man, your players need to stop twerking for him. He's going nowhere. Slide into Trent's DM's instead, or Wan-Bi ... never mind, yeah go and bother Trent instead.