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settembrini said:
You mean this guy?

https://twitter.com/seanfromenderby?lang=en

On the 16th he said Maguire will be a United player by the end of the month and on the 18th he said it was 98% done and then retweeted that the 2% remaining was contract details between Maguire and United over image rights. Not sure that counts as pouring cold water over it.

My stance is that if United sign Maguire then Simon was right yet again and continues to have a great track record. If the deal doesn't happen then it will be first done deal he has got wrong and a blow to his credibility.
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Simon's off the credible list already.
His "Thing" was calling exactly when transfers would happen, as all our deals have been fairly widely reported.

For Maguire he went hard, and was totally wrong. He clearly piggy backed off the Sun and got caught out.
 
sewey89 said:
I’d not gone back and read the tweets, just saw that he ‘called them out’ for saying it was a done deal. Which if he’s saying it’s 98% done, it’s sort of going against what Simon said.

In all likelihood, he probably went a bit too soon with the ‘done deal’ but he’s obviously got some sources feeding him fairly reliable info
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Not sure that's clear at all anymore. It looks much more likely that he gambled correctly once, and jumped in a little early on AWB but got away with it.

He tried the same approach on Maguire, but got it totally wrong.
 
Sandikan said:
Simon's off the credible list already.
His "Thing" was calling exactly when transfers would happen, as all our deals have been fairly widely reported.

For Maguire he went hard, and was totally wrong. He clearly piggy backed off the Sun and got caught out.
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Nah. His thing is saying that United will sign a player and then United signing that player. He was right every time last summer and has been right so far this summer although Maguire remains to be seen.

If he just piggy backed off random news stories like other ITKs he would be constantly wrong.
 
settembrini said:
Nah. His thing is saying that United will sign a player and then United signing that player. He was right every time last summer and has been right so far this summer although Maguire remains to be seen.

If he just piggy backed off random news stories like other ITKs he would be constantly wrong.
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Even if Maguire does sign, Simon can't take credit for that as he said it was done, when it blatantly wasn't
 
settembrini said:
Nah. His thing is saying that United will sign a player and then United signing that player. He was right every time last summer and has been right so far this summer although Maguire remains to be seen.

If he just piggy backed off random news stories like other ITKs he would be constantly wrong.
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I think @Wumminator did a tidy analysis of all the calls this Simon kid made, that didn't come off.
When he's around I think he needs to convince you, as you sound adamant about him still.
 
macheda14 said:
Even if Maguire does sign, Simon can't take credit for that as he said it was done, when it blatantly wasn't
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If Maguire doesn't sign then it's fair to say it blatantly wasn't done. If he does sign then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt considering it will have be the sixth consecutive time he will have said that United will sign a player and then they signed that player.
 
Sandikan said:
I think @Wumminator did a tidy analysis of all the calls this Simon kid made, that didn't come off.
When he's around I think he needs to convince you, as you sound adamant about him still.
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I saw that 'analysis'. His reasons for doubting Simon were bizarre and, frankly, a dishonest representation of things that Simon has said.
 
settembrini said:
I saw that 'analysis'. His reasons for doubting Simon were bizarre and, frankly, a dishonest representation of things that Simon has said.
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So what do you think to him calling Maguire as being done a week ago?

"something changed?"

The problem is, all of James, AWB and Maguire have been massively written about names.

If he came out and said we're buying "xxx", and it happened, then it's unarguable.
 
Sandikan said:
So what do you think to him calling Maguire as being done a week ago?

"something changed?"

The problem is, all of James, AWB and Maguire have been massively written about names.

If he came out and said we're buying "xxx", and it happened, then it's unarguable.
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Thats just an unfair standard though. It is unrealistic that we'd be going for a player and no one would have previously linked us with him.
 
settembrini said:
If Maguire doesn't sign then it's fair to say it blatantly wasn't done. If he does sign then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt considering it will have be the sixth consecutive time he will have said that United will sign a player and then they signed that player.
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If it was done then it would have been announced nearer to the time that he said it. However it wasn't done, so he was wrong. It may be doe soon, but he isn't proven right by it happening at a much later date. If I say it's going to rain tomorrow, but it rains on Tuesday then I would have been wrong. You wouldn't give me plaudits for getting the fact it was going to rain at some point in the future.
 
Sandikan said:
So how do you explain him saying it was done a week ago? When we haven't even signed him a week on, and Maguire's played in 2 friendlies?
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Kid's source, we have all deduced, is marketing or some sort of media rep for United. Seems that when that department gets put on a project the source conveys information to Simon, which is relayed to Reddit and then Redcafe. Unless Simon has been specifically told of a time when an announcement is happening - as with AWB - his saying it's a done deal does not preclude any additional final negotiations. I take it as the talks are far enough to be classed as done to be able to ask another department to begin their work.

Is it possible something falls through in the last minute, or there are unforseen delays? Yes of course.

That's the perspective and grain of salt people need to have when trying to pin the accuracy of this information. It's not coming from the actual negotiations. It's a different department with different purpose. I've worked on plenty of projects that have been killed or shifted dramatically weeks before by execs. But if i told you, hey my company is working on this new thing and then a week later we arent, doesn't mean I'm a lier or wrong. It's just passing on the information that's available. Why can't all of you just be appreciative of some half insight without needing to badger? These ITK leaks (from basically the one or two credible connections) are so much better than the tripe we've had in the Twitter feed for years. Those click bait journous and attention seekers like Indykalia who the cafe revered for much too long. This is nothing like that at all. So why not just enjoy it and be realistic in your expectations .
 
tob said:
How can it be a done deal “for a week” and yet Maguire still plays for Leicester?
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Probably because he knew it was just a matter of time before it gets ironed out
 
VP89 said:
Probably because he knew it was just a matter of time before it gets ironed out
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Why would Leicester play Maguire in their pre-season games if they knew he was going?
 
Sassy Colin said:
So, like everyone then, really?
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Is it everyone? It was only a few days ago that Simon Stone was trying to tell us that the club was looking for cheaper alternatives.

This guy said we were sighing him last week and if we do end up signing him even on deadline day I reckon he's been proven right. You are placing the standards of someone intimately familiar with the negotiations on these random wannabe ITKs. By that standard you can rest easy in your smart deduction that they aren't as reliable as you'd like them to be. But then you'd be missing the point of them altogether.
 
This Simon geezer can't lose can he.
If Maguire signs, then he "always said it was done" - even though it obviously wasn't, as he'll just say a last minute hitch held it up.

And if he doesn't sign, then something changed.

It'd be like me teasing with non committal comments about Bruno and Longstaff, who everyone knows about, and only going big on a more definite time when a paper first drops it.
 
Sassy Colin said:
So, like everyone then, really?
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Who else said Maguire was as good as done when he announced it? I'm genuinely just curious I'm not trying to defend this Simon fella.

tob said:
Why would Leicester play Maguire in their pre-season games if they knew he was going?
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Yeah, makes little sense to play Maguire. Putting Simon aside I think Leicester shouldn't really have bothered playing Maguire. It's an inevitability by seasons end.
 
VP89 said:
Who else said Maguire was as good as done when he announced it? I'm genuinely just curious I'm not trying to defend this Simon fella.



Yeah, makes little sense to play Maguire. Putting Simon aside I think Leicester shouldn't really have bothered playing Maguire. It's an inevitability by seasons end.
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The Sun ran with the story, then suddenly Simon also said it was done.
 
Rake said:
Saw it on reddit
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This sort of nonsense grinds my gears. As if Brighton (or whomever) don’t suspect Leicester are selling Maguire for mega money if they are enquiring about Lewis fecking Dunk (or whomever). It’s utter baloney.

When clubs are looking to sign ready-made first-teamers, there’s a very strong possibility it’s either to replace a player already sold or one who is about to be sold. As if Brighton would be that naive. It’s not rocket science.
 
Sandikan said:
This Simon geezer can't lose can he.
If Maguire signs, then he "always said it was done" - even though it obviously wasn't, as he'll just say a last minute hitch held it up.

And if he doesn't sign, then something changed.

It'd be like me teasing with non committal comments about Bruno and Longstaff, who everyone knows about, and only going big on a more definite time when a paper first drops it.
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Well he's said it's a done deal, so he can definitely lose if it doesn't happen...
 
Sandikan said:
The Sun ran with the story, then suddenly Simon also said it was done.
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The Sun :lol:

Would be surprised if that's his tactic, to go by newspapers like The Sun. His accuracy ratio would be far worse surely.
 
Rish Sawhney said:
Is it everyone? It was only a few days ago that Simon Stone was trying to tell us that the club was looking for cheaper alternatives.

This guy said we were sighing him last week and if we do end up signing him even on deadline day I reckon he's been proven right. You are placing the standards of someone intimately familiar with the negotiations on these random wannabe ITKs. By that standard you can rest easy in your smart deduction that they aren't as reliable as you'd like them to be. But then you'd be missing the point of them altogether.
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I don’t get how you’re thinking?
This “Simon” guy comes out saying it’s a done deal. Then the deal doesn’t happen and Maguire continues to play games for Leicester. So, obviously, it is not a done deal. Not even close. This means that this “so called ITK” was wrong.

If the deal does happen at any time from now to the the 8th of August, you say he’s been proven right. How? Because he said it was done a week ago - when it clearly wasn’t?

Sied said:
Well he's said it's a done deal, so he can definitely lose if it doesn't happen...
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It has already not happened. So he is already lost...
 
VP89 said:
The Sun :lol:

Would be surprised if that's his tactic, to go by newspapers like The Sun. His accuracy ratio would be far worse surely.
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Whoever he got it off hasn't made him look too clever here has it.
 
Sandikan said:
Nah something will have changed.
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The muppets won't stand for that. He'll have lost his credibility. There are plenty of people (like the below quote) who are getting on his back because it hasn't happened fast enough, let alone not happening at all.
tob said:
It has already not happened. So he is already lost...
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Sandikan said:
Whoever he got it off hasn't made him look too clever here has it.
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If Maguire gets done iminently this Simon fella will probably get more credibility by general fans.

Not that I agree of course, because Maguire seems obvious to most people. Guessing he's a done deal doesn't add much. Think he spoke about Bruno so I'd rather keep tabs on that.
 
Yeah... I’ve thought more about it and concluded he’s full of shit.

Leicester wouldn’t have played Maguire (twice?) if this was a ‘done deal’ last week. Imagine he’d have broken his leg?
 
VP89 said:
If Maguire gets done iminently this Simon fella will probably get more credibility by general fans.

Not that I agree of course, because Maguire seems obvious to most people. Guessing he's a done deal doesn't add much. Think he spoke about Bruno so I'd rather keep tabs on that.
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The problem is it's impossible to know really.
All of the players he's mentioned have been very obvious, massively in the media names.

It seems his one claim is that 3pm announcement claim he got right with James.
Even awb he called too early.
 
Why do people care so much about the timing? The only thing that really matters is whether or not the actual transfer prediction is right.
 
SS said:
Why do people care so much about the timing? The only thing that really matters is whether or not the actual transfer prediction is right.
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It's not a prediction.
It's a guy saying it's done. When it obviously isn't.
 
VP89 said:
The Sun :lol:

Would be surprised if that's his tactic, to go by newspapers like The Sun. His accuracy ratio would be far worse surely.
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i have followed alot of these ITKs on twitter mostly for my own amusement. what they do is use ambiguous language or take a high risk on something that looks most likely to happen and run with it. Hardly anyone talks about when this ITK said we were in for Koulibaly because most of those tweets were deleted. What they then do is push stuff that they seemingly got right. And then everyone just remembers that part. "oh he called Daniel James Before anyone else " he didnt " oh he called AWB before anyone else " He also didnt. But his stans go around saying he did so it seems true especially when someone that never really followed him hears it from others and believes it then tells someone else and so on. Its like fortune telling. A little luck mixed with common sense. Entertaining but shouldnt be taken as fact its just all a show. This simon fellow is particularly good at making it seem like he's getting all these things right. he has some interesting excuses and very ambiguous tweets. This time he flew too close to the sun trying to get out before the actually journalists to cement himself as real. He wasnt able to do that with Danny james. It was already broken by sky and the rest and he piggybacked on it. Said his source texted him late :lol:
 
This entire conversation is surely embarrassing anyway. When it’s all said and done, why does it matter? The window closes in 3 weeks, and by then, all will see who has signed and who hasn’t. This internet battle about credibility is pointless. Unless people are trying to make money off betting, why the feck should anyone care whether someone said a deal will happen 24 hours before United announce it anyway?

Let’s say Simon does indeed get a confirmation about a deal a few hours before the rest of the world. Is it really worth this summer long online game of attention seeking anyway? I mean, what exactly do you achieve from this information? Like, I imagine Ole’s son may know who we will sign before I do. Does that make him the coolest kid in the world or something? Way too much is invested in this battle to either discredit or validate ‘ITKs’ in my opinion. Most of them are bullshitters, and even if not, so what? They will not get to see a player play for United before the rest of us.
 
I think Simon gets too much time on this , which is obviously what he craves.
 
Sied said:
The muppets won't stand for that. He'll have lost his credibility. There are plenty of people (like the below quote) who are getting on his back because it hasn't happened fast enough, let alone not happening at all.
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You think I’m upset because an self proclaimed ITK fellow comes out saying we’ve signed a player and then it doesn’t happen?

I’m just trying to point out that you can’t say something has already happen - then it’s proven not to - but then later on it actually do happens - and then go - “I told you so”.
That’s you saying that it has already happen, but in reality, you’re just guessing it will.

(And when I say “you” I don’t actually mean you, Seid, just to be clear.)
 
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