Redcafe Snooker

Unbelievable, poor guy. :lol:

Ebdon won his second round qualifying match last night 10-9, from 9-3 down. The guy isn't the most liked or entertaining player but you can't question his determination and graft. Still hope he doesn't make it to the Crucible though!
 
Stop bottling it then. Work on his own mental toughness.
 
First Round draw for World Championship, starting on Saturday:

Bingham v Carter
Maguire v McManus
Walden v Robbie Williams
Higgins v Day
Trump v Wengbo
Gould v Ding
Mark Williams v Dott
Robertson v Holt
Murphy v McGill
Fu v Ebdon
Hawkins v Anda
O'Sullivan v Gilbert
Allen v Mann
Perry v Wilson
Michael White v Baird
Selby v Milkins

Some good matches there. Not many of the top players are exactly flying at the moment, other than Allen & Trump who won the last 2 ranking finals (with Ricky Walden a beaten finalist in both).
 
Good comeback by Bingham here, guy certainly has some resilience.
 
It seems like every tournament the defending champ gets nocked out first round... (Carter beat Bingham)
 
McGill is playing really well. Seems to like the Crucible.
 
Updated 1st round draw:

Bingham v Carter
Maguire v McManus
Walden 4-5 Robbie Williams
Higgins v Day
Trump v Wengbo
Gould v Ding
Mark Williams 7-2 Dott
Robertson v Holt
Murphy v McGill
Fu v Ebdon
Hawkins v Anda
O'Sullivan 6-3 Gilbert
Allen v Mann
Perry v Wilson
Michael White 4-5 Baird
Selby v Milkins

Today’s matches

10.00
Higgins v Day
O’Sullivan 6-3 Gilbert (to a finish)
2.30
Williams 7-2 Dott (to a finish)
Selby v Milkins
7.00
Walden 4-5 Robbie Williams (to a finish)
Michael White 4-5 Baird (to a finish)
 
Good showing from Gilbert, but still Ronnie goes into second round with 10-7 win. Higgins was bloody excellent, three centuries, plus two more 70+ breaks for 7-2 lead.

Selby and Milkins has a scrappy and slow session until the break, since then Selby in driver seat, looks good for 7-2 lead as well.
 
Matches involving Selby, Higgins & Robertson all play to a finish today (Robertson starts this morning, other 2 already have).
I foresee a good day for the seeds - Selby got better as the first session went on, I didn't see much of Higgins but he has a 7-2 lead like Selby.
Robertson I just think will be too strong for Holt. Barry Hawkins & Mark Allen also start today and I think they will get through as well!
Does anyone see anymore shocks in the first round?
 
Looks like we're about to say bye to another seed, Aussie Robertson. Holt with a 9-4 lead, and while six in a row is possible, just can't see it with Robbo's play from today.
 
Trump - Wenbo should be good value.
 
Trump - Wenbo should be good value.
Saw a bit earlier.
Wenbo banged in back to back centuries in the first two frames. Never been done in the first round before. Trump hit back with quality breaks and was 2-2 when I went out.
 
Saw a bit earlier.
Wenbo banged in back to back centuries in the first two frames. Never been done in the first round before. Trump hit back with quality breaks and was 2-2 when I went out.

Gutted I haven't got time to watch it. You just know it's going to be a corker.
 
Gutted I haven't got time to watch it. You just know it's going to be a corker.
Worth watching the highlights. Trump did a couple of mental pots in one of his breaks. Real high quality game.
 
Wenbo is very very good. He is surely going to be in the top 5 soon?

Still seeing some weird bounces off the baulk cushion
 
Statistically speaking it's surely only a matter of time before some real wonder kids start popping up? I know Wenbo is no kid but it must be inevitable that a young natural pops up soon. Ding never really kicked on. Perhaps it proves that it's the coaching that makes the difference between natural talent as a 10-14 year old to being able to hold your own in matches against pros at 18-20.

A friend of mine predicted about 10 years ago after he went to a billiard hall while in China that they would be dominating the sport by now. He said it was about 4 or 5 stories with about 50 tables on each floor and a queue of youngsters waiting for their turn on each table. He also said he was told that there are loads of these places all over the country.

If all that is true it just seems crazy that a few more haven't made it, assuming the interest is still the same.
 
Statistically speaking it's surely only a matter of time before some real wonder kids start popping up? I know Wenbo is no kid but it must be inevitable that a young natural pops up soon. Ding never really kicked on. Perhaps it proves that it's the coaching that makes the difference between natural talent as a 10-14 year old to being able to hold your own in matches against pros at 18-20.

A friend of mine predicted about 10 years ago after he went to a billiard hall while in China that they would be dominating the sport by now. He said it was about 4 or 5 stories with about 50 tables on each floor and a queue of youngsters waiting for their turn on each table. He also said he was told that there are loads of these places all over the country.

If all that is true it just seems crazy that a few more haven't made it, assuming the interest is still the same.

Could perhaps be the case that due to the differences in language/culture etc, a lot of talented people don't pursue it professionally. The sport's obviously gotten massive in China, but it's still a very, very British dominated sport, with lots of British stars and events. The travel could potentially be a big barrier for some, and while the general contingent of snooker players seem like decent, friendly people, I imagine it could be kind of intimidating for an 18-year old Chinese kid to come over to a different culture, and spend most of his time around people he doesn't know speaking a language he might not even understand.

That's my guess anyway: plenty of talent, but the vast majority maybe keeping it to a hobby, and not pursuing it.

Not to mention that if the stories of people queuing to play on tables is true, maybe it's difficult to get properly into? I mean, if there's not much of a coaching network, it's probably a hassle to actually get a regular game, and might even be tough to get into professionally unless you somehow know someone...which is again unlikely.

With the sheer numbers though, we'll surely see some more popping up as you say. Will be interesting to see how the sport adapts as times goes on, and whether it becomes more China-centric if it really does explode at the top level.
 
Today's matches:

13:00 BST
Judd Trump (Eng) 3-6 Liang Wenbo (Chn) (first round - to a finish)
Marco Fu (HK) v Anthony McGill (Sco) (second round - first 9 frames)

19:00 BST
Joe Perry 4-5 Kyren Wilson (first round - to a finish)
Ali Carter (Eng) v Alan McManus (Sco) (second round - first 9 frames)

Hoping Judd can make a good start and spark a comeback. Kyren Wilson is a good young player and would be nice to see him make the second round.
I'm going tomorrow morning to see the first session of Williams v Holt, damn you for knocking out Robertson!
 
Trump 5-7 Liang now. Trump won the last couple, so it's heating up nicely.
 
Missed a little bit, what happened?

Judd fouled and in doing so knocked about 10 balls out of their initial position, it took the ref about 10 minutes to get them sorted and then Trump questioned it. The ref was going by what he could see on the monitor but the way he had them the shot Trump had played first time wasn't on, so he knew it wasn't right.

It didn't exactly get heated but you could tell they were both getting frustrated, Wenbo to his credit just chilled in his seat.
 
Judd fouled and in doing so knocked about 10 balls out of their initial position, it took the ref about 10 minutes to get them sorted and then Trump questioned it. The ref was going by what he could see on the monitor but the way he had them the shot Trump had played first time wasn't on, so he knew it wasn't right.

It didn't exactly get heated but you could tell they were both getting frustrated, Wenbo to his credit just chilled in his seat.

Ah yeah, only saw the start of that one. Nightmare for the ref but can understand why Trump would want to make sure everything was exact.
 
Trump gets through in the end, good comeback from him.
 
Judd fouled and in doing so knocked about 10 balls out of their initial position, it took the ref about 10 minutes to get them sorted and then Trump questioned it. The ref was going by what he could see on the monitor but the way he had them the shot Trump had played first time wasn't on, so he knew it wasn't right.

It didn't exactly get heated but you could tell they were both getting frustrated, Wenbo to his credit just chilled in his seat.

Can't they use some sort of projector to superimpose the image onto the table? Would make it a lot easier for the ref to get it as close as possible to the original shot.
 
Can't they use some sort of projector to superimpose the image onto the table? Would make it a lot easier for the ref to get it as close as possible to the original shot.

The thought did cross my mind, I suppose the majority of the time it's only one or two balls and the Refs are usually pretty good so the powers that be don't think it's worth it.
 
Big win for Trump. Tough match against Ding but one he should be winning with Ding's form this season and you would fancy him against the winner of Holt or Williams.
 
Can't they use some sort of projector to superimpose the image onto the table? Would make it a lot easier for the ref to get it as close as possible to the original shot.

Quantum Leap bitches. :D
 
Selby's starting to motor now. One loose break off from Baird and boom, a 133 total clearance. Baird's putting up a decent fight tbf. Never seen him before.