Redcafe Drafting League Game Thread
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Like both these teams.
Another touchline drama for Banks? Presumably ref used technology available so no harping on for 50 years about it.
Another touchline drama for Banks? Presumably ref used technology available so no harping on for 50 years about it.
Meh, I don't see it, but what can you do, sometimes you get crazy results.
Somehow arguably the best defence in the draft can't keep a clean sheet in 5 games in a row now
Although no keeper has more than 1 clean sheet at the moment.
Somehow arguably the best defence in the draft can't keep a clean sheet in 5 games in a row now
Although no keeper has more than 1 clean sheet at the moment.Meh, I don't see it, but what can you do, sometimes you get crazy results.
Somehow arguably the best defence in the draft can't keep a clean sheet in 5 games in a row now
Ahem...
It's got Sol Campbell in it.Meh, I don't see it, but what can you do, sometimes you get crazy results.
Somehow arguably the best defence in the draft can't keep a clean sheet in 5 games in a row now
Hence arguably. I'd say that Schnellinger - Moore - Campbell - Cafu are on par with Marzolini - Scirea - Vierchowod - C. Alberto. My combined back 4 of choice would be Schnellinger - Scirea - Vierchowod - Cafu.
Can't really disagree with that. But I'm on the bottom end of the table.
Meh, I don't see it, but what can you do, sometimes you get crazy results.
Somehow arguably the best defence in the draft can't keep a clean sheet in 5 games in a row now
Ahrm
Sorry just clearing my throat.
I think that I rate Gerets slightly lower than most, and Nasazzi unfairly struggles because of the lack of footage (it's not his fault, but what can you do). Plus I don't think that Vasovic has that incredible defensive presence of Moore/Scirea/Baresi.
I think that I rate Gerets slightly lower than most, and Nasazzi unfairly struggles because of the lack of footage (it's not his fault, but what can you do). Plus I don't think that Vasovic has that incredible defensive presence of Moore/Scirea/Baresi.
Oh I agree. I would rank my defense as average, nothing special.
how the feck did harms lose?
The grass was too tall and the wind was too strong.how the feck did harms lose?
how the feck did harms lose?
Ruud is a much better striker than Klinsmann and I'm still unsure of harms' left side. It looks far too narrow for my liking.
More prolific — surely. Better — I'd say that it's a bit of a stretch. No way I'd trade Klinsmann for Ruud with Totti and Hamrin around.
Klinsmann is a better fit for you but individually he isn't the best CF. I reckon Ruud would come higher when we get to our top 20 striker list.
I prefer Marzolini to Schnellinger myself
Klinsmann has 47 goals in 108 games for Germany vs Ruud's 35 in 70 for Netherlands; Klinsmann played a key role in the World Cup and Euro wins — and, unlike many of those successful forwards, he didn't actually play for outstanding international sides. Ballon d'Or runners up in 1995, Ruud never came close to that. Ruud really limits the way your team can play — it always should be built around him. He delivers, yes, but there's also some logic that despite his unquestionable individual greatness, our title draught came when he was with us.
I have no issues with someone who picks Ruud over Klinsmann. I'd probably do that myself (although not for most of the draft teams) because I fecking love the guy and he's one of my idols. But to say that he is much better is just wrong.
@green_smiley sending in an hour...
When does the transfer window open?
I really don't remember what he did to come 2nd in the Ballon d'Or in 1995. He had a respectable 1 in 2 record for Spurs and then went to Bayern and did reasonably well there too. Klinsmann's record at Inter isn't brilliant.
The Dutch lack of titles during Ruud's career cannot be put on him. They have only ever won one major tournament and during the early 2000s had much infighting between the PSV and Ajax players.
With respect to Ruud and our title drought, this was more to do with Ferguson's adaptation to a more European style than with Ruud per se. I don't think he needs to be built around as such he just needs to have providers around and not a greedy 19 year old.
Maybe much better may have been slightly strong there's very few instances in which I'd rather have Klinsmann upfront
Someone to help me with a team sheet? On my phone for the rest of the evening.
Send it to me
Thanks Indy
Not seeing a quality gap between the two, very different forwards and what really matters is the team they are playing in. Ruud a better fit for a dominant team that creates lots of chances in the penalty box. Klinsmann better for a team that plays on the counter or which needs a rounded forward to stretch the game or work the opposition back line. Generally I'd say Klinsmann is stronger at getting more out of his team-mates, but Ruud trumps him as a thoroughbred goalscorer.
Sjor vs. BKTWR
Sjor
BKTWR
Sjor
Tactics: Full Edgar
Reckon Varane would be immense in this system, great on the ball, fantastic physical and athletic attributes, great at defending 1v1....Schulz and Ferrer fit like a glove.
Katanec pretty much in his natural role, switching between a LCB and a left center mid. Iniesta the perfect linking man, Dani Alves in his Pep days, insane engine and great on the offensive side. This time is used further up but unlike most wingers from the WM era he would play both ways. Other 3 in pretty much their perfect roles.
Im sorry.
Reckon Varane would be immense in this system, great on the ball, fantastic physical and athletic attributes, great at defending 1v1....Schulz and Ferrer fit like a glove.
Katanec pretty much in his natural role, switching between a LCB and a left center mid. Iniesta the perfect linking man, Dani Alves in his Pep days, insane engine and great on the offensive side. This time is used further up but unlike most wingers from the WM era he would play both ways. Other 3 in pretty much their perfect roles.
Im sorry.
BKTWR
- Formation : Magic rectangle(ish).. lots of Brazilian/Dutch influence with some steel in key positions
- Tactic - limit opposition space, especially in midfield, great passing game, quick transitions
- With ball : Makelele support defence/Koeman brings ball out, FBs push up and front four to be purely focussed on attack
- Without ball : 6 back (4+2 roaming). Def Mids clever and use discretion to support where needed (Koeman can make extra CH as needed - FKs & corners). Front 4 remain up to take advantage of counters
- If under pressure in midfield, Koeman pushes up and makes a 4132
- Goalie - good shot-stopper (see last season.... booo!) and ability to distribute quickly, hand and feet
- Solid back 4 with CHs proven at positioning, tactical/space awareness and close marking (shown for club & country)
- Two worldie Def Mids who can make various, quick, incisive passes. One specialist at marking (players and space), one with GOAT ability to ping long balls and turn defence into attack in a second
- Centre mids need to be multi-talented - technical, passing, great energy and know how to manage/create space, ideally proven at top level. Neeskens and Albertini .... tick
- Forwards : need to have excellent control (long passes), great technical ability and both be comfortable in front of goal or dropping off/no.10. Bergkamp and Rivaldo..... tick
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Today my dad took me to a football match for the first time. I’ve wanted to go since I was younger but he said I have to be old enough to break down the pressing schemes of Pep Guardiola and recite the lineage of Italian goalkeepers before he would take me to a match.
It was strange because he was wearing dark glasses and a wig and gave the attendant a fake ID when we entered. He told me it was because some envious football owners banned him from the sport because he was the Greatest Draft Manager of All Time. I tune Dad out when he starts sounding like a crazy homeless person.
The team in blue looks very good at the start. They pass a lot and they are attacking with six players. Dad seems puzzled and keeps asking “Why M?”. I say I don’t know any M’s.
One of the blue team fans throw a banana at one of the red players. He picks up the banana and eats it. Then he runs run very fast and passes a great pass to this charging player my Dad calls Kalle and Kalle shoots a wonderful goal. I love this Kalle player, he is exciting to watch zig and zag through the defense.
I saw a named Iniesta with fancy feet but the player Makélélé takes the ball from him a lot. Albertini the Italian made some great passes but the blue team’s only CB, Willi my Dad said, was able to stop them.
The tough looking Russian winger made a great run but his pass inside was stolen by the tall Lucio who runs up the pitch and gives the ball to Neeskens who has been working to open up triangles to pass into. Triangles make passing easy. I learned that from Cruiff The Iceman takes the pass and dribbles a kid who looks confused. The Iceman scores a great goal to even the score.
The bald guy, Iniesta had some good dribbles around Koeman but twice passes into the CF were stopped by Godin. Godin is a bad ass. I like him.
At the start of the second half, Koeman launches a rainbow pass that the Iceman controls and then he nutmegs a confused Ter Stegan for a world class goal!
Neeskens has been all around the grass. He steals another pass from the defenders of the blue team before it lands for the Kalle. Kalle runs and gets in good positions but no one gets him the ball much in the second half.
Kalle is able to get a few passes into the CF named Larsson but the Lucio and Godin combination has been too balanced today.
Neeskens and Albertini control the second half and set up a pass for Rivaldo who shoots a wonderful shot into the goal.
The game finishes 3-1 for the red team. I like the red team. The game picks Godin for player of the game but I think Bergkamp was. Kalle was great too and I want to follow him too.
Today my dad took me to a football match for the first time. I’ve wanted to go since I was younger but he said I have to be old enough to break down the pressing schemes of Pep Guardiola and recite the lineage of Italian goalkeepers before he would take me to a match.
It was strange because he was wearing dark glasses and a wig and gave the attendant a fake ID when we entered. He told me it was because some envious football owners banned him from the sport because he was the Greatest Draft Manager of All Time. I tune Dad out when he starts sounding like a crazy homeless person.
The team in blue looks very good at the start. They pass a lot and they are attacking with six players. Dad seems puzzled and keeps asking “Why M?”. I say I don’t know any M’s.
One of the blue team fans throw a banana at one of the red players. He picks up the banana and eats it. Then he runs run very fast and passes a great pass to this charging player my Dad calls Kalle and Kalle shoots a wonderful goal. I love this Kalle player, he is exciting to watch zig and zag through the defense.
I saw a named Iniesta with fancy feet but the player Makélélé takes the ball from him a lot. Albertini the Italian made some great passes but the blue team’s only CB, Willi my Dad said, was able to stop them.
The tough looking Russian winger made a great run but his pass inside was stolen by the tall Lucio who runs up the pitch and gives the ball to Neeskens who has been working to open up triangles to pass into. Triangles make passing easy. I learned that from Cruiff The Iceman takes the pass and dribbles a kid who looks confused. The Iceman scores a great goal to even the score.
The bald guy, Iniesta had some good dribbles around Koeman but twice passes into the CF were stopped by Godin. Godin is a bad ass. I like him.
At the start of the second half, Koeman launches a rainbow pass that the Iceman controls and then he nutmegs a confused Ter Stegan for a world class goal!
Neeskens has been all around the grass. He steals another pass from the defenders of the blue team before it lands for the Kalle. Kalle runs and gets in good positions but no one gets him the ball much in the second half.
Kalle is able to get a few passes into the CF named Larsson but the Lucio and Godin combination has been too balanced today.
Neeskens and Albertini control the second half and set up a pass for Rivaldo who shoots a wonderful shot into the goal.
The game finishes 3-1 for the red team. I like the red team. The game picks Godin for player of the game but I think Bergkamp was. Kalle was great too and I want to follow him too.
That write up
Ehm... Kalle and Alves play for a blue team? Or the guy also suffers from daltonism?
Hopefully I've got all the goals attributed right.
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Any idea when the result from mine and Beam's game will be published? This is clearly more important than his final.
Any idea when the result from mine and Beam's game will be published? This is clearly more important than his final.
Physiocrat vs. Jim Beam
Physiocrat
Formation 4411 out of possession, 3232/334 in possession
Defensive Line Moderate, half-court press
Style Moderate/High risk possession team (possession with a purpose) stretching the play both laterally and vertically.
Baggio is in for his first game of the season, whilst four of my defenders are injured including three left-backs. So Berti Vogts switches to left-back in a purely defensive role and Stielike joins Olsen in defence in a similar combo to that of Rikjaard and Danny Blind at Ajax- in possession it turns into a back three and Stielike moves into the DM/CM position and Olsen remains as sweeper. At this point Bergmark and Vogts become LCB and RCB respectively.
Suarez is again the brains of midfield who has full freedom to control proceedings in the middle and drift between CM and AM. Figo and Finney as the hardworking wingers one with goals and the other more creative giving the perfect platform for Baggio to do whatever he wants in his favoured AM/SS position behind the cultured target man Luigi Riva.
Jim Beam
Good ol' Ferguson 4-4-2 goes this time
Tactics: attacking, high-tempo and aggresive, very hard or impossible to contain on the counter
But if you go against 3 man-midfield you'll lose the midfield battle?
I might, but then again I also have 2 of the modern midfield greats in Bastian and Modric there, capable of defending and attacking on the highest level. Also, my team doesn't need to own the midfield, they just need to be able to switch the ball on my flanks in a second or feed my attackers. When you imagine tiki-taka, this would be an exact opposite of it.
Behind them is a WC CB pairing in Krol and Tresor.
And upfront is 200 miles per hour attack in Keegan and Elkjaer who are nightmare to guard. Both blessed with immense pace who were just as good as setting up their team mates as scoring themselves. Also great in the air and as a bonus able to harass you for 90+minutes.
The tactic is heavily based on pairs, the CB's the CM's, the wingers and the ST's. All have to be set up to compliment each other perfectly. Think that's the case here.
Advantage for Physiocrat
Advantage for Jim Beam
Physiocrat (2) vs. Jim Beam (1)
Goals scored
Physiocrat
Formation 4411 out of possession, 3232/334 in possession
Defensive Line Moderate, half-court press
Style Moderate/High risk possession team (possession with a purpose) stretching the play both laterally and vertically.
Baggio is in for his first game of the season, whilst four of my defenders are injured including three left-backs. So Berti Vogts switches to left-back in a purely defensive role and Stielike joins Olsen in defence in a similar combo to that of Rikjaard and Danny Blind at Ajax- in possession it turns into a back three and Stielike moves into the DM/CM position and Olsen remains as sweeper. At this point Bergmark and Vogts become LCB and RCB respectively.
Suarez is again the brains of midfield who has full freedom to control proceedings in the middle and drift between CM and AM. Figo and Finney as the hardworking wingers one with goals and the other more creative giving the perfect platform for Baggio to do whatever he wants in his favoured AM/SS position behind the cultured target man Luigi Riva.
Jim Beam
Good ol' Ferguson 4-4-2 goes this time
Tactics: attacking, high-tempo and aggresive, very hard or impossible to contain on the counter
But if you go against 3 man-midfield you'll lose the midfield battle?
I might, but then again I also have 2 of the modern midfield greats in Bastian and Modric there, capable of defending and attacking on the highest level. Also, my team doesn't need to own the midfield, they just need to be able to switch the ball on my flanks in a second or feed my attackers. When you imagine tiki-taka, this would be an exact opposite of it.
Behind them is a WC CB pairing in Krol and Tresor.
And upfront is 200 miles per hour attack in Keegan and Elkjaer who are nightmare to guard. Both blessed with immense pace who were just as good as setting up their team mates as scoring themselves. Also great in the air and as a bonus able to harass you for 90+minutes.
The tactic is heavily based on pairs, the CB's the CM's, the wingers and the ST's. All have to be set up to compliment each other perfectly. Think that's the case here.
Advantage for Physiocrat
- Question may be asked on Vogts' position as LB/LCB here, but he would still look comfortable in that position, based on his performance in 1973 DFB-Pokal final against Koln
- Olsen-Stielike looks to be a good foil against Keegan-Elkjaer, though Olsen would be wary of doing surging runs with those 2 dangerous forwards around
- Cambiasso is very important in this setup, providing physical presence and tactical discipline against the likes of Modric and co
- Skill-set wise, would rate Finney-Figo higher than Conti-Pires, and expect some good one-touch football alongside Suarez and Baggio
- After a long absence, Baggio would be fired up in this game
- Riva as effective target man, feeding crosses and passes from his teammates, and bringing his teammates into play
Advantage for Jim Beam
- Very nice centerback pairing of Tressor-Krol, with great defensive and ball-playing skill
- Conti's pace and workrate is valuable here. Can see him tracking back and helping Zambrotta out to defend against Finney, while allowing Zambrotta more freedom to surge forward when his team has the ball
- Modric and Schweinsteiger do have the capability to dictate tempo of the game and switch attacking play to the flank in an instant. Very decent when defending, but would probably need their centre backs to step up their game against Physio's attacking force
- Great workrate from the forwards. Would be nuisance to defend against
Physiocrat (2) vs. Jim Beam (1)
Goals scored
- Baggio (assist from Suarez)
- Baggio (assist from Riva)
- Pires (assist from Schweinsteiger)
Baggio He'll probably be injured next game
He'll probably be injured next game The fecker had to come back.
Nice move with switching Vogts and Stielike - Olsen pairing. Overall, no complaints really.
Nice move with switching Vogts and Stielike - Olsen pairing. Overall, no complaints really.
The fecker had to come back.
Nice move with switching Vogts and Stielike - Olsen pairing. Overall, no complaints really.
It was out of necessity. I had three left backs injured. Got a bit lucky though, didn't know Vogts played there in Der Pokal final. Good to know going forward though
Physio's front 6
Cambiasso on the left