Really proud of the team tonight

Drifter said:
Proud of the team tonight?. This is what you say if we lost to Barcelona in the CL final. Standards have really fallen.
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The conditions (I don't mean the pitch) were perfect for Chelsea to play United at this moment in time. More so with the sending off. However, we can't deny Chelsea are a better team at this moment in time.
 
buckooo1978 said:
you do realise we have the most expensive squad in history don't you?

you say trying their best but do you not think we paid Chelsea too much respect? we crawled into our shell after the sending off and, the chance Rashford made for himself aside, we didnt lay a glove on Chelsea
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Lets face facts Chelsea is a better team than us right now. If Zlatan and Martial were available we would have had a better chance for victory but they have more skillful players than us at the moment.
I was just pleased to see our fighting spirit. In the end it showed that our guys are not just mercenaries
 
markhrad said:
Lets face facts Chelsea is a better team than us right now. If Zlatan and Martial were available we would have had a better chance for victory but they have more skillful players than us at the moment.
I was just pleased to see our fighting spirit. In the end it showed that our guys are not just mercenaries
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i disagree.... thats an incredibly defeatist attitude - Chelsea are the most balanced side in the league but they aren't that special especially over a 90 minute period

we showed that in the first 20 mins when 'plucky' United took it to them

i didnt see much fighting spirit from us after the sending off - I saw a team trying not to concede even after the Kante goal - as I said we barely laid a glove on Chelsea and Rashford chance aside Courtois had a quiet night
 
markhrad said:
We don't have a great bunch of players but those that we have are trying their best. We are not real madrid or Barcelona in that we are not buying championships
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Unless you consider those players mid to lower league material then that would be trying their best, for a team aspiring for the top positions in the league the performance was cowardly.
 
Playing away from home against the league leaders without your top striker and going down to 10 men in the 1st half, definitely a few players who acquitted themselves very well under those circumstances. DDJ and Rojo in particular kept the score respectable.

Rashford showed huge maturity in making the most of the 1 chance he got, great run and only for a great save we'd have been level. We look a different prospect with a mobile lone striker.
 
buckooo1978 said:
i disagree.... thats an incredibly defeatist attitude - Chelsea are the most balanced side in the league but they aren't that special especially over a 90 minute period

we showed that in the first 20 mins when 'plucky' United took it to them

i didnt see much fighting spirit from us after the sending off - I saw a team trying not to concede even after the Kante goal - as I said we barely laid a glove on Chelsea and Rashford chance aside Courtois had a quiet night
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I see your point but at the end our guys really put pressure on them. We are Man utd a proud and successful team but remember we had to live through the 70s and 80s, we are not entitled.
Anyway I still think our present squad will fight our way into the top 4
 
What did we really do last night that we should be so proud of, I'm confused. We repeatedly hacked their best player down until Herrera got sent off. Then Chelsea scored their goal and kept pushing the ball around and we barely touched the ball in the second half. Rashford did well for his chance but apart from that we didn't have single shot on their goal. If we had taken the game to the penalties after going down to 10 men, then that would have been something to be proud of.

After their goal around the 50th minute, we just defended for the whole game like it was us holding the lead. I'm not saying we could have done much better in that situation because Chelsea were too good for us with a man up. Such a defensive performance should be something that a mid-table club would be proud of. Not the richest football club in the world with the costliest assembled squad.
 
Must admit that United did indeed do very well given the circumstances.
De Gea once again proved his value to United and Rashford demonstrated that he has a big future at the club with his pace and incisive play.
Even some of the bit part players rose to the occasion and made life tough for Chelsea.
 
We're Man United, we should never be proud of a performance where we never looked like scoring until near the end of the game. since when do we celebrate stifling the opposition while offering nothing going forward?
 
I warned you of this LOSER mentality that is slowly germinating amongst the United fans. You did not look like you were ever going to win yet you were proud of the team. These are not the comments of champions. These are the sort of comments Bournemouth make after losing to United at Old Trafford by only one goal.

If this goes on any longer, you will be saying you are proud of your team after losing 1-0 to West Brom at home
 
MadMike said:
Outrageous view. How were Rashford, Jones, Darmian and Young a disgrace?

In fact how was anyone a disgrace? They followed the manager's instructions. We were playing 10vs11 against our bogey team, at their ground and they happen to be the Champions-in-waiting and in great form. Last time there we got spanked 4-0 with 11 men.

Have a word with yourself mate.
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Are you serious?
Jones was shambolic again. It looked like he was playing rugby in the first half. Darmian also. Granted Valencia had a good game I give you that one.
 
Thought we were excellent. Before the sending off the only chances we conceded were from a brilliant piece of skill from Hazard (which I won't criticise the players for) and a corner (which I judge separately from the entire match performance). Then after the sending off we conceded mostly long shots from central areas but this was due to Azpilicueta stepping up into midfield (since the CBs only had 1 forward to mark) and making it a 3v2. It reminded me of the CL home game against Real Madrid in 2013 where Modric scored and the 2011 CL final against Barca where Messi scored, both from long shots where we had a man disadvantage in midfield.
 
Phil Jones 79 said:
Are you serious?
Jones was shambolic again. It looked like he was playing rugby in the first half. Darmian also. Granted Valencia had a good game I give you that one.
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Yes, very serious. It seems we are in major disagreement on both how the players performed and how players are rated in general. So I'll stop here since there's absolutely no point discussing further.
 
Logical Fan said:
I warned you of this LOSER mentality that is slowly germinating amongst the United fans. You did not look like you were ever going to win yet you were proud of the team. These are not the comments of champions. These are the sort of comments Bournemouth make after losing to United at Old Trafford by only one goal.

If this goes on any longer, you will be saying you are proud of your team after losing 1-0 to West Brom at home
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Maybe slightly exagerrated but true in principle. It's happening now already, some of our fans will be like oh, Hull beat Liverpool 3-1 at Anfield, so it's no shame if we dont beat them at Old Trafford.
 
Lets be fair. We were in the game with 11 men, it could have gone either way at that point. Hazard was starting to play more and cause problems, but when you go down to 10 men away at the best team in the country it's not looking good!

I don't get mentality of some fans, they want us to go out attacking with 10 players and most likely lose by 4 or 5. What good would that do? Mourinho had the tactics right before the red and after in my opinion, we were looking for 1 chance and Rashford had it but unfortunately didn't convert.
 
I'm not sure how anyone can be proud of a performance like last nights. We were, as usual against the top teams, uninspiring.
 
We've played 12 games more than Chelsea this season. Three days ago we came back from a 4000 mile round trip from Russia. The effort these guys put in is monumental, I think some fans are being too harsh. Chelsea are a better side than us this season, they're the best team in the league and they had a nice comfortable week to concentrate on this game while we were fighting it out in a mud-pit in Russia. Anyone that thinks we can just go to Stamford Bridge and put Chelsea to the sword with our top goalscorer missing and down to 10 men after 35 minutes is absolutely deluded.
 
I was happy that the team didn't fold up like a cheap tent after going down a man. Some of the players performance I was proud of. Rojo's, Valencia's, De Gea's. I suppose that's fair to say. I was glad Jose didn't behave like a raving lunatic that Conte did at times. But not 'proud' to lose at Chelski, no matter the consequences.
 
SteveTheRed said:
Lets be fair. We were in the game with 11 men, it could have gone either way at that point. Hazard was starting to play more and cause problems, but when you go down to 10 men away at the best team in the country it's not looking good!

I don't get mentality of some fans, they want us to go out attacking with 10 players and most likely lose by 4 or 5. What good would that do? Mourinho had the tactics right before the red and after in my opinion, we were looking for 1 chance and Rashford had it but unfortunately didn't convert.
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Fair points, but it's certainly nothing to write home about let alone be proud of. No one is saying go out guns blazing with 10 men, but show some courage when you get the ball. Everyone accepts you concede possession with 10 men if the opposition is strong, but you have to show your quality the few times you get the ball, not panicking on the first press and hoofing it forward without looking.
 
buckooo1978 said:
i disagree.... thats an incredibly defeatist attitude - Chelsea are the most balanced side in the league but they aren't that special especially over a 90 minute period

we showed that in the first 20 mins when 'plucky' United took it to them

i didnt see much fighting spirit from us after the sending off - I saw a team trying not to concede even after the Kante goal - as I said we barely laid a glove on Chelsea and Rashford chance aside Courtois had a quiet night
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You are ignoring the context under which the match was played just to drive home your point, we were missing to key players who, even if they had been available, would have given us a fighting chance but would still leave Chelsea with a better team. That was before the sending off has been taken into account. These were extremely difficult circumstances that we played the match under and I'm proud that the team held out the way they did.
 
El Zoido said:
We've played 12 games more than Chelsea this season. Three days ago we came back from a 4000 mile round trip from Russia. The effort these guys put in is monumental, I think some fans are being too harsh. Chelsea are a better side than us this season, they're the best team in the league and they had a nice comfortable week to concentrate on this game while we were fighting it out in a mud-pit in Russia. Anyone that thinks we can just go to Stamford Bridge and put Chelsea to the sword with our top goalscorer missing and down to 10 men after 35 minutes is absolutely deluded.
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Completely agree with everything you have said. There seems to be this belief among some sections of the fans that we should just turn up and win and if we dont we are crap and played terrible football. There can be no middle ground with some. I guess it comes with all the success we have had in the past.

Without coming across as a know all because I don't pretend to be a complete expert in football but there are so many variables in a game and fine balances at play. Players are human and influenced in different ways in different game situations. If only it was like football manager or fifa and we could win every game!
 
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El Zoido said:
We've played 12 games more than Chelsea this season. Three days ago we came back from a 4000 mile round trip from Russia. The effort these guys put in is monumental, I think some fans are being too harsh. Chelsea are a better side than us this season, they're the best team in the league and they had a nice comfortable week to concentrate on this game while we were fighting it out in a mud-pit in Russia. Anyone that thinks we can just go to Stamford Bridge and put Chelsea to the sword with our top goalscorer missing and down to 10 men after 35 minutes is absolutely deluded.
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Unfortunately many fans are blinded by our recent domination. A lot of these are probably 16-24 years old and never known anything different.

They clearly aren't taking the circumstances into account and just expect us to go there and wipe the floor with them. We were doing fine until the red, yes I agree we could have perhaps been better in possession but they just starved us and kept moving it side to side. Once we got it back we had nobody forward so had to just clear the lines. It was a difficult game and I still stand by that I am proud of how we kept it at 1.
 
El Zoido said:
We've played 12 games more than Chelsea this season. Three days ago we came back from a 4000 mile round trip from Russia. The effort these guys put in is monumental, I think some fans are being too harsh. Chelsea are a better side than us this season, they're the best team in the league and they had a nice comfortable week to concentrate on this game while we were fighting it out in a mud-pit in Russia. Anyone that thinks we can just go to Stamford Bridge and put Chelsea to the sword with our top goalscorer missing and down to 10 men after 35 minutes is absolutely deluded.
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Wow what a weak mentality many have. Next season if you are in the CL, you will spend time making excuses as to why your CL schedules is harder than everybody elses therefore under performance should be accepted. If you are in Europa league, same reason will be given.
Than next you will give excuses as to why Mourinho's job is "so much harder" than Guardiola's or Conte's or Pochettino so fans should be ok if results don't go your way.
The excuses will never end. During Fergie's reign, I don't recall so many excuses made for under performing as I see now. It really is a shame.
When you were winning the CL or PL, I don't recall any United fan bothering with finding out how many more games you have played than your opponent. It didn't matter. You were Manchester United. You were champions.
Now you're just making excuses
 
OldTrevil said:
Fair points, but it's certainly nothing to write home about let alone be proud of. No one is saying go out guns blazing with 10 men, but show some courage when you get the ball. Everyone accepts you concede possession with 10 men if the opposition is strong, but you have to show your quality the few times you get the ball, not panicking on the first press and hoofing it forward without looking.
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Agreed, we didn't do enough with the little possession that we had. Credit to Chelsea because they knew that was our only route and shut it down. It's just a shame that's how the game played out, I think everyone would agree that the first 30 minutes it was a proper battle and great game to watch.
 
We defended amazingly well and our back four deserve credit but we were pathetic in possession...
 
Proud of what seriously? We barely manage to have a shoot on target with 11 players and we were dreadful after the red card. Rojo and Valencia showed some great passion and de Gea went in de God-mode again, but what is there to be proud of? We lost once a time again to a better team and we struggled too much.

It seems people have forgot what club this is and the standards of it. It's only because of de Gea that we didn't lose 3 or 4-1. That's nowhere good enough.
 
Jesus you get Browned's shite thread and this isn't that much better.

It was a good resolute performance in the circumstances, but to make a thread to say you're really proud? we are not Arsenal FC. We ultimately lost and that is the bottom line.

We can take a bit of heart from the performance, but that is about it.. we still lost another big game.
 
Logical Fan said:
Wow what a weak mentality many have. Next season if you are in the CL, you will spend time making excuses as to why your CL schedules is harder than everybody elses therefore under performance should be accepted. If you are in Europa league, same reason will be given.
Than next you will give excuses as to why Mourinho's job is "so much harder" than Guardiola's or Conte's or Pochettino so fans should be ok if results don't go your way.
The excuses will never end. During Fergie's reign, I don't recall so many excuses made for under performing as I see now. It really is a shame.
When you were winning the CL or PL, I don't recall any United fan bothering with finding out how many more games you have played than your opponent. It didn't matter. You were Manchester United. You were champions.
Now you're just making excuses
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Nobody is making excuses. He was pointing out facts that were an influence on the result. Its not a weak mentality to have the experience and intelligence to realise we aren't going to win everything. It's called living in the real world. Just because we are Man Utd doesn't mean we are going to dominate football for all time. Of course that would be great but it's not reality. Being in touch with reality doesn't make you weak minded or less of a fan. In fact I would argue that supporting the team through thick and thin and not turning against the players every time we lose is what a true supporter does
 
SteveTheRed said:
Lets be fair. We were in the game with 11 men, it could have gone either way at that point. Hazard was starting to play more and cause problems, but when you go down to 10 men away at the best team in the country it's not looking good!

I don't get mentality of some fans, they want us to go out attacking with 10 players and most likely lose by 4 or 5. What good would that do? Mourinho had the tactics right before the red and after in my opinion, we were looking for 1 chance and Rashford had it but unfortunately didn't convert.
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I'd have been happy with us losing 3 or 4-1 with ten men if there was a chance we could also win 2-1.

We had six defenders on the pitch. There was plenty of room for us to get a foothold in game by bolstering the midfield at the expense of Darmian or Young.
 
SteveTheRed said:
Agreed, we didn't do enough with the little possession that we had. Credit to Chelsea because they knew that was our only route and shut it down. It's just a shame that's how the game played out, I think everyone would agree that the first 30 minutes it was a proper battle and great game to watch.
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Yea it was shaping up to be a proper tactical battle but the players lost it after going down 10 instead of mentally rising to the challenge. And we can't blame it on fatigue. Apart from Pogba, all the other players had been rested or out of the team for one reason or another the last few weeks.
 
MannyB said:
I'd have been happy with us losing 3 or 4-1 with ten men if there was a chance we could also win 2-1.

We had six defenders on the pitch. There was plenty of room for us to get a foothold in game by bolstering the midfield at the expense of Darmian or Young.
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We had a chance to bring the game 1-1 with Rashford. If you looked at our bench we did not really have any move to play? Mata or Carrick...Your not going to bring on Mata in a game where we could hardly get the ball and again Carrick would not have been able to close down Chelsea's midfielders.
 
SteveTheRed said:
We had a chance to bring the game 1-1 with Rashford. If you looked at our bench we did not really have any move to play? Mata or Carrick...Your not going to bring on Mata in a game where we could hardly get the ball and again Carrick would not have been able to close down Chelsea's midfielders.
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Carrick wouldn't need to if we were sitting back anyway and he would have been better than Fellaini at releasing players for the counter

We could have switched to

Valencia Jones Smalling Rojo
Carrick
Mikhi Pogba Young

Rashford​

Swap out Young for Lingard later in the game.
 
Maybe the result wasn't humiliating, but personally I found it embarrasing how we couldn't get two passes in a row in the second half. I'm sorry, but putting 10 men behind the ball, conceding one goal, while the other team is completely dominating and in control of the game isn't enough to deserve any kind of praise. Bournemouth last week did a hell of a lot better job with 10 men than we did.
 
Thought JM got the tactics spot on,then the red then was not much we could do really, try keep it tight then nick a winner was all we could hope for, thought Pogba done well enough until the red as well since he seems to be getting all the abuse, he just needs learn quickly to pass the ball quicker, seems to want to hold on to if far to long.
 
yup, although I'm still disappointed with the result, but, watching the match till the last 90 minutes, I feel happy with how our players showed their passion and spirit until the match finished. I'm proud of them. feck, just we got very bad luck with referee. oliver asehole.
 
Sultan said:
The conditions (I don't mean the pitch) were perfect for Chelsea to play United at this moment in time. More so with the sending off. However, we can't deny Chelsea are a better team at this moment in time.
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markhrad said:
We don't have a great bunch of players but those that we have are trying their best. We are not real madrid or Barcelona in that we are not buying championships
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I have no doubt they are the better team .The table does not lie. But these type of quotes are for when you have battered a side but still came up the loser.We did not do much yesterday accept try to stifle the game and one shot on target. I don't get this not buying championships. We have spent £151.77m. Surely should get something on the return.
 
Drifter said:
I have no doubt they are the better team .The table does not lie. But these type of quotes are for when you have battered a side but still came up the loser.We did not do much yesterday accept try to stifle the game and one shot on target. I don't get this not buying championships. We have spent £151.77m. Surely should get something on the return.
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It is crazy how our own supporters are trying to put down our spending like it was nothing. Of course spending does not necessarily make a team great in general but we have been investing in our squad heavily for years and apparently we still have shit squad and not many 'great players' to compete for top 4.

It is very concerning. And amusing when they make fun and have a go at other teams doing it.
 
paulscholes18 said:
Been shit, parked the bus for the 55 min we went to 10 men
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What did you expect exactly?
We were up against CFC, the best team in the country, at their home ground, with 10 men?
Are you aware of any of these facts?

We did "okay". Not great. Not bad. But okay. Nothing to be embarrassed about and I am now very confident of a win against them at OT, in the league.
 
buckooo1978 said:
i disagree.... thats an incredibly defeatist attitude - Chelsea are the most balanced side in the league but they aren't that special especially over a 90 minute period
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Indeed.
I think we can beat them when we play them next month in the league, at OT.
CFC won't have Oliver protecting them on that day and CFC will have to face Ibra and Martial, too.

In Chelsea's favour: they have Hazard and IMO, the best player in the league - Kante.
 
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