Really proud of the team tonight

The game was over the moment Jose took off Mkitharyan. Fellaini is not a United player quality and was useless again, hope he'll not be here next season; Rashford was OK but he should have score that chance; Pogba is actually not playing like a 80 million player and offered nothing in the 2nd half.

The team fought hard but missing both Martial and Ibra, and the early sending off of Herrera, killed most our expectations for the game.

Very proud of De Gea, Valencia, Rojo and Jones!

Costa is a nasty cheating player and Rojo did well against him.
 
Jacko21 said:
Take this game in isolation, appreciate the circumstances and show a bit of pragmatism.
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No I wont, if you take every game in isolation everything will seem nice. It's just a bottle-attitude in these players, whenever we can go a place up, they completely bottle it, we are even lucky the referee helped us in the EFL Cup, they'd happily bottle that as well if not for Zlatan. Just pathetic, every time at least one player has to be a complete idiot.
 
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No I wont, if you take every game in isolation everything will seem nice. It's just a bottle-attitude in these players, whenever we can go a place up, they completely bottle it, we are even lucky the referee helped us in the EFL Cup, they'd happily bottle that as well if not for Zlatan. Just pathetic, every time at least one player has to be a complete idiot.
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But can't you see, if it were they case that they'd 'bottled it', Chelsea would've put any number of goals past us tonight. As it was, they scored once - because the players remained diligent.

Contrast this game to that of Arsenal and Tottenham away last season - that's bottling it. That's capitulation. Tonight was different. Tonight was pragmatic.

It's not hard to see how Mourinho has made inroads towards improving the state of mind of the players.
 
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But can't you see, if it were they case that they'd 'bottled it', Chelsea would've put any number of goals past us tonight. As it was, they scored once - because the players remained diligent.

Contrast this game to that of Arsenal and Tottenham away last season - that's bottling it. That's capitulation. Tonight was different. Tonight was pragmatic.

It's not hard to see how Mourinho has made inroads towards improving the state of mind of the players.
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Sorry but if not for two wonderful de Gea saves it's 3-0 as well, there's always something thay has to go wrong. If it isnt defensive blunders at the back, it's Herrera, if itnisnt Herrera its Fellaini. I dont even think this is Mou's fault, the players just give it away too often.
 
The game turned when Herrera got sent off. Until that moment the game was in the balance, simple as that really.
 
Some of you really are spoilt brats when it comes to Utd. We aren't going to dominate and win every game. It doesn't mean we are crap and it doesn't mean we should have a meltdown every time we dont win. I thought we played well until the red card finished the game. On to the next one.
 
Champagne Football said:
I'm delighted we're out of the FA Cup. We've struggle in the league in games we should have won easily because the players have been playing too many games. We've already won a cup. We need absolute focus on Europa and Premier League now. If we'd beaten Chelsea then you'd have Spurs in the semi's and City in the final. The team will be in better shape for the more important stuff avoiding monster games like that when it's only the FA Cup. For sure would have been nice to win it tonight and I thought we did very well in difficult circumstances but I'm quietly happy the team will have more time to focus on the bigger stuff now.
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I really don't get this? Have you ever been part of a winning team?
 
Adnan said:
The game turned when Herrera got sent off. Until that moment the game was in the balance, simple as that really.
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Agree with this.

The Hazard's chance was a mistake from Smalling who went to press in midfield and lost the dual against him; the other one that De Gea saved was from a corner!
It was a good game until the Herrera's sending off.
 
Offside said:
:lol: Standards have dropped.
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It's not a dropping of standards, it's an acceptance that right now, we're not the team we once were.

Chelsea are stronger, fresher and generally better at this moment in time.

That is all.

What did you want from the players? For them to be caviler and concede a bunch of goals just so you could lament them for capitulating?
 
Down to 10 men against a better team, I thought our players displayed great fighting spirit. They never gave up and even in extra time were still trying their best to get the equalizer.
It reminded me of our 90s teams in that I felt that they could pull off some last minute heroics, Unfortunately our quality at present is somewhat lacking. Anyway, despite the loss I liked the team's attitude.
A bit disappointed in Pogba, he may be tired but its in these circumstances we require our world class players to do something special and save us.
 
Small time mentality as far as I'm concerned. Nothing to be proud about. We lost again to a big team - that's the reality. Red card or not it shows that while we are certainly getting better we still lack quality in important areas.
 
Some of our defending was great, apart from that there was nothing to be proud of when it comes to our attacking play.

All in all it looked like Chelsea made the right choice to hire Conte. They've much improved on their attacking style of play. Hard to take that defeat, they looked miles better than us.
 
De Gea made a couple of fine stops. Otherwise it's at least three - nil and nobody's proud of anything. Fair play to De Gea and Rashford - maybe Valencia and Rojo.

But Pogba looked like a squad player thrust into the limelight, could have done with Blind's vision and Fellaini really is a huddy. We've a long way to go yet.
 
Jacko21 said:
It's not a dropping of standards, it's an acceptance that right now, we're not the team we once were.

Chelsea are stronger, fresher and generally better at this moment in time.

That is all.

What did you want from the players? For them to be caviler and concede a bunch of goals just so you could lament them for capitulating?
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I have a problem with acceptance, it means you settle for something other than the best. We are Manchester United, we should always strive to be the best.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I really don't get this? Have you ever been part of a winning team?
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Fergie fielded a weakened team in the FA Cup against Barnsley in 98 and we lost. In 2009 Fergie rested Rooney and Ronaldo in an FA Cup semi final against Everton to rest them for bigger Champions league games ahead. Everton won on penalties. Not getting champions league for a second season running and for 3rd time in 4 seasons could be very damaging to the club. We do not have enough depth in the squad compared to some of Fergie's squads over the years to realistically mount a challenge for everything. Pogba possibly needs a rest. Ibra was needing a rest before he got the 3 game ban. Herrera could do with a rest. We have been relying too much on a few players this season and it's taking it's toll. If you can't understand why it would make sense to have less games so the full focus can be on the Europa League and the PL then perhaps you should go and ask Fergie why he fielded weakened teams in the FA Cup from time to time often resulting in poor results.
 
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Hazard is the clear difference alright. It'll be a different story for them next season with CL football to contend with.
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People keep saying this but it isn't as though we'll be playing next season with the exact same team. Obviously we'll have a much bigger and better side next year to deal with the extra games.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see us end the transfer window as the highest spenders.
 
Nope. Proud of Rojo, Valenica, Young and Rashford that's about it. Herrera needs to learn when and when not to dive in, he's been doing this sort of thing since we signed him. Pogba is utterly woeful he literally cannot play against anyone half decent.
 
I don't think anyone in the United camp would be thanking the OP. It's precisely that sort of mentality we're trying to get away from. I'm very realistic about where we are but a defeat is a defeat. If we're patting ourselves on the back for living with Chelsea for half an hour, God help us all.
 
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Fergie fielded a weakened team in the FA Cup against Barnsley in 98 and we lost. In 2009 Fergie rested Rooney and Ronaldo in an FA Cup semi final against Everton to rest them for bigger Champions league games ahead. Everton won on penalties. Not getting champions league for a second season running and for 3rd time in 4 seasons could be very damaging to the club. We do not have enough depth in the squad compared to some of Fergie's squads over the years to realistically mount a challenge for everything. Pogba possibly needs a rest. Ibra was needing a rest before he got the 3 game ban. Herrera could do with a rest. We have been relying too much on a few players this season and it's taking it's toll. If you can't understand why it would make sense to have less games so the full focus can be on the Europa League and the PL then perhaps you should go and ask Fergie why he fielded weakened teams in the FA Cup from time to time often resulting in poor results.
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Sir Alex may have fielded a weakened team but I doubt he was delighted to be out of any of those competitions. It's prioritising more than anything. No doubt Sir Alex thought we could beat Barnsley, and Everton with the team he had put out.

You're saying we don't have big enough depth compared to some of Sir Alex's squads and you may be right but if you're winning games you tend to plough on through them. In fact I think it can have a positive effect on a team. If the team is doing well and being in a semi final of another cup competition is doing well. I agree, obviously about us needing a CL place but what the feck is the point if we're going to throw a competition 2 games away from potentially lifting the trophy.
 
TheReligion said:
Chelsea aren't actually that good.

We will do them comfortably at OT
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Pretty much. They rely completely on individual brilliance in attack and it's something they can do because there are no injuries and no one is tired. Much easier to be consistent when you consistently play the same players every match.
 
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Fergie fielded a weakened team in the FA Cup against Barnsley in 98 and we lost. In 2009 Fergie rested Rooney and Ronaldo in an FA Cup semi final against Everton to rest them for bigger Champions league games ahead. Everton won on penalties. Not getting champions league for a second season running and for 3rd time in 4 seasons could be very damaging to the club. We do not have enough depth in the squad compared to some of Fergie's squads over the years to realistically mount a challenge for everything. Pogba possibly needs a rest. Ibra was needing a rest before he got the 3 game ban. Herrera could do with a rest. We have been relying too much on a few players this season and it's taking it's toll. If you can't understand why it would make sense to have less games so the full focus can be on the Europa League and the PL then perhaps you should go and ask Fergie why he fielded weakened teams in the FA Cup from time to time often resulting in poor results.
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Nice to see some common sense in here.

Of all the games we could have lost recently this is the one I would have chosen. What's most important for us is to qualify for the Champions League next year and clogging up our fixture list with FA Cup ties doesn't help us with that, it hinders us when our squad is as short on quality as it currently is.

I've seen people on here claim to not be interested in qualifying for CL because "we won't win it anyway." This is an absolutely stupid statement. When you're a big club wanting to get back to the top it's important that you're making progress every season. Us finishing 6th and winning the FA Cup isn't progress. We did that last year.

We need 100% focus on winning Europa League/finishing top 4 for the next two months as these are the paths back into the CL for us. There's no guarantee we'll qualify for it now but not having to go to Wembley and play one of the teams above us will help.
 
People talking about the players bottling it in this match frankly...
And if you found this match boring then you only appreciate one small part of football.
Fighting performance from most of the team esp DDG Tony V, Rojo, Young, Rashford - good from Darmian and Jones & Mky before his substitution.
Pogba needs someone to feed him the ball and without Herrera looked lost - Smalling did his job mostly.. Hererra unlucky but also not very smart on this occasion.
Personally I'd have left Mky on and left Fellaini on the bench til much later.
Support was great too. Shame we are out of the cup but it gives the other four two more high pressure games as well as the league and can only help us maybe move up a place or two
 
What exactly are you proud of?? I'm fecking disgusted. We got either liability players or massive under performers who choke under pressure (yes Pogba i'm looking at you). Rashford choked his 1v1 and the other times he was just scared of Luiz. If only he'd be more ferocious he might have caused some real trouble. The only players who can take some pride out of this game are DDG, Rojo and Herrera (who got cheated out by the little scrote and the imbecile ref).
 
Great game from everyone, I'm proud of their performance. Too bad the ref ruined everything. De Gea, Rojo and Valencia were superb. Rashford did a really strong performance despite of his illness (?) and having to play in a difficult role. Ashley Young's still got it in him - a solid performance. Hope to see good games these coming days.
 
Honestly, what's there to be proud about? The fact that we didn't concede 4 goals like we did last time? We lost by a smaller margin? Is that what United standards are these days? Fact of the matter is that we didn't concede 4 goals again is because Chelsea were off their game as well. They had numerous opportunities to score but they missed their targets. Not at all proud. Mkhi coming off was an indication that we put down our weapons and were going to fight with our bare hands. We should have played Mkhi up front instead and taken of Rashford. Mkhi atleast has the acceleration of Rashford and better temperament to score.
 
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Is this a wum? De Gea made 2 world class saves early on. We had one shot on target that I can recall from Rashford. We parked the bus with 10 men and played like cowards. Apart from Rojo, Valencia and Big Dave the rest were a disgrace
 
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Is this a wum? De Gea made 2 world class saves early on. We had one shot on target that I can recall from Rashford. We parked the bus with 10 men and played like cowards. Apart from Rojo, Valencia and Big Dave the rest were a disgrace
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Outrageous view. How were Rashford, Jones, Darmian and Young a disgrace?

In fact how was anyone a disgrace? They followed the manager's instructions. We were playing 10vs11 against our bogey team, at their ground and they happen to be the Champions-in-waiting and in great form. Last time there we got spanked 4-0 with 11 men.

Have a word with yourself mate.
 
Is there anyone who still thinks Rojo should leave? The man bleeds red!

Pogba extremely poor against the big boys again.
 
We had the odds stacked against us with the fixture congestion, lack of strikers and poor form. I think what was most satisfying was that were proved we can go toe to toe and fight. It's the first time we've seen it in 3 years in a big game. If we can approach more games with that attitude but with a bit more quality, we'll be alright. It gives me a bit more hope with the other big games coming up.
 
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I was proud of them after the Madrid CL defeat when Nani got sent off. I found us absolutely cowardly today after the red. We had no intention of even trying to play any football. We defended well yes but we showed no courage and attack at all.
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Agreed. No one took responsibility to string together some real attacking moves. Against 11 men is when very good footballers stand up against the press and show courage on the ball. Instead the team cowered and played like scared cats everytime they got the ball, Rashford excluded. Everyone else, including Valencia, did nothing but hoof the ball or play it in the least dangerous position, as if there was a point in losing 1-0.
 
We defended well, but the red card killed of the game. It became a no win situation, either sit back and keep it respectable and get blamed for not trying, or go for it, lose by a bigger margin and get lamented for collapsing.

Some glimpses before the red of a good game, much better than the last time we were at the bridge.
 
Chelsea aren't Barcelona and teams like Burnley have given them better games in recent games

felt we started well but once we had the sending off it almost gave Mourinho the excuse to give up

had we wanted to win that you bring on Carrick for Young or something like that

Rashford was far too isolated as Pogba wasn't in the game at all .... he needs to improve asap - its been a few games since you could say he had a decent game
 
My God. No wonder people hate man utd fans. Our guys gave their utmost and we should be proud of them. There are so many teams that only wish that they were in our position. Look at Leeds look at Aston villa. Look at us fans from the 70s and 80s.
We are struggling at the moment but our players are doing their utmost. Some of you are coming across as entitled babies.
 
Proud of the team tonight?. This is what you say if we lost to Barcelona in the CL final. Standards have really fallen.
 
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Proud of the team tonight?. This is what you say if we lost to Barcelona in the CL final. Standards have really fallen.
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We don't have a great bunch of players but those that we have are trying their best. We are not real madrid or Barcelona in that we are not buying championships
 
We still have a long way to go, I think we were good value for a draw.

We need to a solution for Pogba, either needs a rest or needs help in the middle of the park.
 
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We don't have a great bunch of players but those that we have are trying their best. We are not real madrid or Barcelona in that we are not buying championships
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The team is not far off being very good with a few tweaks. To be fair, we have been amongst the biggest spenders over the last few seasons.
 
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We don't have a great bunch of players but those that we have are trying their best. We are not real madrid or Barcelona in that we are not buying championships
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you do realise we have the most expensive squad in history don't you? obviously we overpaid on a load of them but I dont get your buying championships point there

you say trying their best but do you not think we paid Chelsea too much respect? we crawled into our shell after the sending off and, the chance Rashford made for himself aside, we didnt lay a glove on Chelsea - it felt like damage limitation after the sending off - a more spirited, ambitious side would have given Chelsea more to think about - We ended up playing 6-2-1 for much of that second half - probably Mourinho's instructions cost us hence the fact I felt he gave up on it after the red
 
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