I'm confident, I think we'll batter them. They will launch into the game with a hell of alot of gusto and try and ride off that but honestly we look so composed and tactically drilled I think we'll swat them away fairly easily and dominate possession. I'm thinking a similar match to the Madrid one. Except I can't see them scoring. 2-0
RAWK Goes into Meltdown 2014/2015 - The "We go again" Edition
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More excuses and fear:
"Fecking nightmare scenario.
This entire trip has been an unmitigated disaster. 4 of our players are only injured, and now we need to play 2 games in 48 hours and that second game is against our deadliest rivals.
This is going to be a car crash of a season."
"Fecking nightmare scenario.
This entire trip has been an unmitigated disaster. 4 of our players are only injured, and now we need to play 2 games in 48 hours and that second game is against our deadliest rivals.
This is going to be a car crash of a season."
I can see why they're a bit worried. It really doesn't suit them to play us.
They'd probably be happy living a little longer in the memory of last season, when they had Suarez, we had Moyes, and they were undoubtedly in a little position of dominance over us (albeit with no silverware to show for it).
Obviously this is just pre-season and the match could go either way, but United probably see it as a bit of an opportunity to lay down and marker and upset the apple-cart. Whereas for Liverpool it's an unforeseen threat to that little position of dominance they think they've built, which they'd probably rather do without.
Everything has to be seen in the context of pre-season, but you can see why a fan-base who obsess over the merits of their side relative to United probably don't want to play this game.
They'd probably be happy living a little longer in the memory of last season, when they had Suarez, we had Moyes, and they were undoubtedly in a little position of dominance over us (albeit with no silverware to show for it).
Obviously this is just pre-season and the match could go either way, but United probably see it as a bit of an opportunity to lay down and marker and upset the apple-cart. Whereas for Liverpool it's an unforeseen threat to that little position of dominance they think they've built, which they'd probably rather do without.
Everything has to be seen in the context of pre-season, but you can see why a fan-base who obsess over the merits of their side relative to United probably don't want to play this game.
I don't get it! Both teams have to play two games in two days, both teams are not at full strength, both teams harbour some injuries. Surely more games the better to get maximum preparation for the new season from the whole squad and what better way to do this than contest a final with your arch rivals. Actually, it's the perfect game! Some lame excuses being rolled out over there!
RAWKonomics.
I'm sorry to confuse them any more, but runners up get $500,000.
what puzzles me the most about RAWK-logic is this:
they are arguing that we were so poor last season - and yes we have a new manager but surely we can't be so deluded that we think that a new manager combined with a couple of signings can make that much of a difference.
But if anyone should understand how much difference a manager can make - it should be Liverpool
they are arguing that we were so poor last season - and yes we have a new manager but surely we can't be so deluded that we think that a new manager combined with a couple of signings can make that much of a difference.
But if anyone should understand how much difference a manager can make - it should be Liverpool
It's not just RAWK it's the majority of their fan base.
They keep saying stuff like this and saying we think we are going to walk every competition we are in etc, has anyone actually seen anyone say stuff like that on here?.
God they are so annoying.
We're clearly going to be a hard team to beat this year but we're still a few signings and a year or two with a new manager to win the league but honestly I think a top 3 or 4 spot is nailed on but that's my opinion, on the outside looking in you can clearly tell United will be back with a massive chance of making top 4 and same with Liverpool, but we can admit it why can't they admit we're a strong candidate in the fight?
Every second post is ''United will fail'' ''they're gonna fall harder'' ''they'll get lower than 8th'' . Its gone to a point of annoyance of how much they hate us, any decent football fan knows we'll be back in the fight, just not RAWK though.
Every second post is ''United will fail'' ''they're gonna fall harder'' ''they'll get lower than 8th'' . Its gone to a point of annoyance of how much they hate us, any decent football fan knows we'll be back in the fight, just not RAWK though.
Indeed just flawed logic, when it is about Liverpool players they (rightfully) bring up the Brendan Rodgers card to explain why they are so much better than previous seasons, but when it is about Manchester United they simply can't acknowledge the same managerial effect LVG will have.
Liverpool had a bunch of absolute crap players before Brendan came in, bar Suarez, but he changed them, inspirred self confidence in the players and created togetherness in the team along with a couple of intelligent additions like Sturridge and Countinho and lifted the team from midtable to second place. Manchester United had a bunch of players that almost won the PL 3 times in a row (under one of the best managers of all time), then Moyes came in and despite a couple of good additions like Mata and Januzaj dragged us down to 7th place. With him out of the picture and a new manager in place who has proven his credentials in Spain, Germany, Holland and the worldcup, surely our players will be lifted again near the level they were at before Moyes, and with a couple of good additions (we already had Shaw and Herrera, surely more will follow) we could even go beyond it in time. Liverpool fans are happy to acknowledge it in their own team but at United no way.
Imo Liverpool are weakened, they lost Suarez and the additions they made add to their numbers but doesn't provide a quality injection great enough to offset the loss of such a vital player. We on the other hand have only strenghtened imo, yea we lost some experience, but those players were past it and with Herrera and Shaw we already made important quality injections and didn't just add to the numbers. Ofcourse we have alot of ground to cover coming from 7th, but the Van Gaal effect will be as massive if not more so than the effect Liverpool had from Rodgers, if they could go from midtable to challenging for the title, why couldn't we ? On top of that they will be effected by being in Europe while we'll have the advantage of just focussing on the league 100% and keeping our players fit for every game.
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Why care?
Seriously. No point getting annoyed about RAWK posts writing off. You'd spend your life annoyed.
The PR for their US tour has been awful - they have no idea how to appeal to an American audience.
Yeah, they're in the same tier as Barca, Madrid and ourselves!
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Yeah, their in the same tier as Barca, Madrid and ourselves!
Well, isn't United v Liverpool the most watched game around the world? I guess it depends how you view it.
United v Madrid is the biggest game in the world.
Madrid vs barca is. When those two play, the whole world stops to watch. Although I would not be surprised if the CL game between united and Madrid drew an even larger audience.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ned-watch-Liverpool-vs-Manchester-United.html
United possibly have multiple games a season which get more viewers than Barca vs Madrid.
I remember reading many times that the barca madrid game was the most watched. I guess la liga simply does not market and commercialize itself as well as the premiership does.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ned-watch-Liverpool-vs-Manchester-United.html
United possibly have multiple games a season which get more viewers than Barca vs Madrid.
Damien can change your name to 'Rooney United' if you want?
Their concerns are valid to be fair.
In any case I don't see why people think that we will walk over Liverpool. Sure, they've lost their best player in Suarez. But Liverpool last season did well without Suarez at the start of the season. While their new signings hasn't left me quaking in the boots, there's no doubt that they've added quality in depth to complement a strong first team.
LvG is still in the midst of implementing a new system for the team. It looks promising so far, our oppositions so far are more interested in getting themselves match fit for the upcoming season. Our players by contrast are giving it all because they are battling for their places and very possibly their Man Utd career- it's widely known that LvG likes to keep his squad small, and we are looking to strengthen after a disastrous season.
Spanish clubs do individual TV deals. Prem is one huge (laddered when the ££££ is handed out) corporate monster - ''the best League in the World'' etc. Now trying to bust into the American market, but it won't be Burnley & West Brom doing the touring, interesting contrast Spain v Eng, if your interested in contrasting these things, obv.
One hopes we batter these whoppers, that would be boss. <---- for a fortnight anyway, until the best league in the world actually starts.
How do you qualify it, is it done by TV viewers?
Or is it the two largest/most supported clubs?
Personally I'd have thought it would be Barcelona vs Real Madrid.
When describing Ander Herrera...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ned-watch-Liverpool-vs-Manchester-United.html
United possibly have multiple games a season which get more viewers than Barca vs Madrid.
I remembered an article about the worldwide broadcasting of the German relegation playoffs that decide who goes up into 1. Bundesliga and who goes down into 2. Bundesliga, so I looked it up. In 2010 those games were broadcasted in more than 100 countries and those are hardly top games. In 2011 Bundesliga games were broadcasted in 192 different countries. I call bullshit on an article that says the top game in the German league was only broadcasted in 23 countries in 2011, it's beyond ridiculous. How can anyone believe such nonsense? I've no idea where the dailymail gets their statistics but they clearly are blatantly lying to big up the English league.
/edit: just found some more stats. The relegation playoff in 2010 between the 3rd placed team in the third division and the 16th placed team in the 2nd Bundesliga was broadcasted live in 166 different countries worldwide. Hell, even I couldn't tell a single player who played in those games, yet I could come up with some crazy statistics about a huge number of people who were able to follow those games live in their homes all over the globe (I'm sure few did, but that's not the point). The Premier League marketing train is big and strong in England, but you guys should start asking for the truth behind all the nonsense they feed you, especially if it's as clear as day as it is with this article.
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But there's a pie-chart and it's colour coded and everything
Feck they're delusional.When describing Ander Herrera...
Liverpool supporter in front of me in work when I was discussing with the rest of the lads about RVP not making the first game of the season he replied "It won't matter sure you's play nobody in the first six games of the season, those fixtures are a disgrace!"
Bunch of bitter cnuts!
Bunch of bitter cnuts!
Your numbers sound crazy as well, Balu. (not saying which is correct or not)
Probably just different interpretations. Terrestrial TV, satellite, IPTV, localized channels, internet (bookies for instance)...
Probably just different interpretations. Terrestrial TV, satellite, IPTV, localized channels, internet (bookies for instance)...
That was the point. Those numbers are so easily manipulated to suit an agenda, but the article above was clearly bullshit. Anyway, to put this into perspective:
Offical numbers for Bayern - Dortmund last year from the official Bundesliga website with a link to all the international television broadcasters.
http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/news/2013/0000279239.php
23 in 2011 was so obviously bullshit, I still don't get how anyone could believe those figures in the dailymail article above. And I doubt it's different with the numbers for all the other European leagues.
They probably used the "everything" number for United - Liverpool, and just "terrestial TV" (or something like that) for Bayern - Shalke there. It's just Mail mailing.
If we count all, a lot of games are "broadcast" in 200+ countries.
If we count all, a lot of games are "broadcast" in 200+ countries.
I don't have time for the Daily Mail on anything but football broadcast statistics. That's the one place I trust them.
People if you want to discuss broadcast stats start a thread. This is the RAWK Meltdown thread. If you are not quoting a crazed Scouser get the feck out of here with that bullshit.
Why do they refer to LvG by his whole name over there? Is it meant to be some kind of insult or something? Weird feckers.
It's another case of the weird autocorrect system which they have in place over there. Villas-Boas, Ferguson, van Gaal etc. are all victims of this strange, North Korean-style censorship.
Is it censorship when they're actively lengthening the shorthand for you?