RAWK Goes Into Meltdown | 2013/14

RAWK logic:

RAWKite said:
I'm not bothered if he does it again. End of day i'd rather he did it wearing our shirt than Barca's Reals or anyone else interested in having him and imo they will be interested particular if we go down the daft route of getting rid cheaply. Of course it's better if he never ever bites anyone again, but we don't know the future so why worry about it?
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Last thing you want is Suarez biting people wearing a Barcelona or Madrid, that would be embarrassing for Liverpool.
 
Honestly, it's all Chiellini's fault. The way he expertly glided his shoulder into Suarez's teeth is despicable, sparing no thought on the damage he'd cause to Suarez's delightful gnashers. Also, to further rub salt in the wound and add insult to injury, he then smashed Suarez in the face with an flailing elbow. How can you live with yourself Chiellini? Just how?

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To all those asking why, that is the easiest part for me now. Before I moved to Brazil I wouldn´t get it either. Biting is reserved for small children and untrained animals.

However, you go watch some street football in the favelas of latin america and you will see this and much much worse. It is a weird combination of animalistic instinct and playground football as I knew growing up in the UK. All sorts of weird hair pulling, eye poking, biting, rabbit punching, spitting etc. So that is where Luis learned his footballing/competitive instincts. Not in some lush academy with professional coaches.

The thing is, this background is exactly why we love Luis. Those instincts are what sets him apart from the rest. How many times have we seen him predict the seemingly unpredictable (Uruguays 2nd against England?) or fight his way through an avalanche of tackles, miraculously keeping the ball for us to score (v Man United setting up Kuyt). Players like that don't come from academies, they are created in the hell that is a latin favela. If we want to have a player like that then we will have to accept the occassional moment of madness.

Something I haven´t shared with anybody before is, I cried the first time I was in a favela. I had recently become a father and seeing what can only be described as ferrel kids running around was upsetting enough. I was with a Military Police fire officer at the time who was explaining how they all live at risk of landslide or their housing collapsing at any time. Every day he gets called out to pull a family out of the rubble of their house which they build themselves with zero understanding of architecture or construction. When it rains, entire neighbourhoods are literally washed off the side of a mountain. Thousands die. They start rebuilding the same shitty houses in the same insane places the very next day. His job is to visit these people and get them to sign a release saying a government official has explained the dangers of their living environment to them so they cannot sue the state when tragedy inevitably occurs.

"Sign a release, you mean convince them to move right?"
"Move where? I thought the same when I started this job, I'll be the guy who makes a difference. Their starting point is that the government doesn't want them here, they want them out so they can build beautiful condiminiums with amazing views on these hills. I was attacked, spat at, you name it. Not once was I listened to. So now I get the signature and I leave."

Those who want to be judgemental really should spend a moment walking in those shoes.
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Has this been quoted yet? FFS. I'm unsure if its a piss take or a WUM account.

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Has it been mentioned here that the thread dedicated to Gerrard in RAWK is titled "Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard"? Have they completely lost their minds?
 
James Redburn said:
The upbringing turning him into the desperate talented loon he is and being the price you pay for taking him on.
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His upbringing was nothing special that it made him into the bell he is though. He wasn't brought up in a slum. And if he was, so what? So are many others. You can say that certain players petulance and general greed is due to them being really poor growing up blah blah blah but biting people? Racist slurs on the pitch? Brutal fouls? Suarez is unique in that respect, his upbringing is far from it.

NinjaZombie said:
Has this been quoted yet? FFS. I'm unsure if its a piss take or a WUM account.

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I quoted a paragraph. James Redburn agrees with his sentiment.
 
antihenry said:
Has it been mentioned here that the thread dedicated to Gerrard in RAWK is titled "Steven George 'James Bond' Gerrard"? Have they completely lost their minds?
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James Bond? What's that about?

It does give us the opportunity to make some shit puns though.

Steven Gerrard: On Her Majesty's Slippy Surface.
 
Sied said:
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:lol:
 
RedRover said:
Seems he called him a "French B**tard" - fair enough. I'm not going to get involved in what people consider is and isn't racist. It's evidently offensive, so fine.

Still sounds like fans defending his actions though - which is all I'm saying - fans do that for their own, especially the star players.
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Yeah, i seem to recall the line was "eff off back to france you effing french frog". There was a rather amusing interview with the chap who was kicked at the time, who claimed what he'd actually said was "please return to France you throughly unpleasant person" or something equally ludicrous.

But anyway the point about anti-heros is that, by definition, they are considered as doing good via evil means. No-one approves of the methods, but everyone agrees with the aim. Its how characters like Batman are so popular. If there was a cartoon about some guy dressing up in black and randomly kicking the shit out of passers by it wouldn't be popular. But make those passers-by criminals and the whole thing becomes acceptable, popular even.

Which is where the difference comes in with Suarez. I mean what he's done isn't even like Maradonna's handball, which you might argue is doing evil means for your team. The racist and biting thing hurts his reputation and his team's, as well as his opponents arms.
 
bishblaize said:
Yeah, i seem to recall the line was "eff off back to france you effing french frog". There was a rather amusing interview with the chap who was kicked at the time, who claimed what he'd actually said was "please return to France you throughly unpleasant person" or something equally ludicrous.

But anyway the point about anti-heros is that, by definition, they are considered as doing good via evil means. No-one approves of the methods, but everyone agrees with the aim. Its how characters like Batman are so popular. If there was a cartoon about some guy dressing up in black and randomly kicking the shit out of passers by it wouldn't be popular. But make those passers-by criminals and the whole thing becomes acceptable, popular even.

Which is where the difference comes in with Suarez. I mean what he's done isn't even like Maradonna's handball, which you might argue is doing evil means for your team. The racist and biting thing hurts his reputation and his team's, as well as his opponents arms.
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I understand the point you're making - but in reality, when you look at it, is biting a player any worse than what Cantona did? Did Suarez actions reflect any more badly on football that Cantona's? Not for me. Both suggest a player out of control and damage the reputation of the club, and the teams chances of success.

At the time I was a kid and was shocked by it, but wasnt really bothered. I'm soon to become a dad, and as I feel now I obviously wouldn't want my son biting anyone, but nor would I want him trying to kick someone's head in because they made an unpleasent comment he didn't like.

Lets be clear, Suarez isnt a very nice man and needs to be be severely punished. I'm not trying to defend him, or those trying to defend him, I was just pointing out that I'm not surprised that some people are trying to do that, because its what always happens.
 
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RedRover said:
I understand the point you're making - but in reality, when you look at it, is biting a player any worse than what Cantona did? Did Suarez actions reflect any more badly on football that Cantona's? Not for me. Both suggest a player out of control and damage the reputation of the club.

At the time I was a kid and was shocked by it, but wasnt really bothered. I'm soon to become a dad, and as I feel now I obviously wouldn't want my son biting anyone, but nor would I want him trying to kick someone's head in because they made an unpleasent comment he didn't like.

Lets be clear, Suarez isnt a very nice man and needs to be be severely punished. I'm not trying to defend him, or those trying to defend him, I was just pointing out that I'm not surprised that some people are trying to do that, because its what always happens.
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Cantona kind of learned that you're not supposed to kick fans. I don't think he was ever even sent off again afterwards. He made a mistake, he was punished, he learned from it. That is where any comparison with Suarez ends.
 
RedRover said:
You're right - as I said above, they'll be desperate for it to blow over.

And Fergie could have told Cantona he was out of order and moved him on - but he didn't. He let him sit his ban out, kept him as close to the club as was possible and picked him as soon as he could - because that was the best course of action for the team.
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A ban initially imposed by Manchester United.
 
acnumber9 said:
Cantona kind of learned that you're not supposed to kick fans. I don't think he was ever even sent off again afterwards. He made a mistake, he was punished, he learned from it. That is where any comparison with Suarez ends.
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Indeed.
 
RedRover said:
I understand the point you're making - but in reality, when you look at it, is biting a player any worse than what Cantona did? Did Suarez actions reflect any more badly on football that Cantona's? Not for me. Both suggest a player out of control and damage the reputation of the club.

At the time I was a kid and was shocked by it, but wasnt really bothered. I'm soon to become a dad, and as I feel now I obviously wouldn't want my son biting anyone, but nor would I want him trying to kick someone's head in because they made an unpleasent comment he didn't like.

Lets be clear, Suarez isnt a very nice man and needs to be be severely punished. I'm not trying to defend him, or those trying to defend him, I was just pointing out that I'm not surprised that some people are trying to do that, because its what always happens.
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Its irrelevant what somebody else did.

The discussion is what this man has done, twice before already, with the third time being completely unprovoked and on the biggest sporting stage on the entire world.

Now, if you take that into account, its about a thousand times worse than what Cantona did, because Suarez as twice before apologized and expressed what is now quite clearly false remorse over his actions.

So he has previous, he isnt sorry that he does it, and he lies and tries to put the blame on to others to get away with it, so regardless of if an actual one off incident of biting is worse than a one off incident of trying to kick some gob shite in the crowd who is giving you stick, the fact that he is a repeat offender who doesnt give a flying feck makes it a million times worse.

And if I had written 5 paragraphs it would likely of ended up being a billion times worse and the only fitting punishment for him would of being fed feet first into a sausage making machine while being forced to listen to Justin Bieber.

Whoops.
 
Ducklegs said:
Its irrelevant what somebody else did.

The discussion is what this man has done, twice before already, with the third time being completely unprovoked and on the biggest sporting stage on the entire world.

Now, if you take that into account, its about a thousand times worse than what Cantona did, because Suarez as twice before apologized and expressed what is now quite clearly false remorse over his actions.

So he has previous, he isnt sorry that he does it, and he lies and tries to put the blame on to others to get away with it, so regardless of if an actual one off incident of biting is worse than a one off incident of trying to kick some gob shite in the crowd who is giving you stick, the fact that he is a repeat offender who doesnt give a flying feck makes it a million times worse.
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All I said when I started this was that I wasnt surprised that some fans and elements of the media in his own country would try to defend him. I have never defended him, nor defended the actions of people who are trying to. I thought it was a pretty uncontroversial point.

I only raised Cantona because it illustrated my point - that fans will usually sympathise with their own and try to defend them. The comments I've had on here from people actually highlight that very point when they try to mitigate what he did - i.e. "he was given racist abuse" or " he learned his lesson". I'm not comparing Suarez with Cantona in terms of behavior or anything else.

You're directing your bile at the wrong person, having jumped in halfway through and totally missed the point. Personally I think he should be banned for a massive amount of time for both club and country and that Liverpool should move him on as quickly as possible to get him out of the PL.
 
I still remember the complete shock I had when Cantona jumped into the crowd. I was listening to the game on the radio, then saw the images on the news the next morning and I still couldn't quite believe it. But still, we knew Cantona was capable of losing his head and as ridiculous as it was, it still made sense. We were always half expecting something bad to happen, but at the time I never thought he'd resort to that!

The Suarez bite, I just can't get my head around why he did it, because nothing much out of the ordinary happens leading up to it. I mean sure, Chellini acts the cnut all game but Suarez is used to that from defenders. It doesn't particularly hurt your opponent, you gain no advantage, and you get yourself in a shit load of trouble. To do it at the World Cup is even more absurd. I mean, surely he knows his WC is over as soon as he does it? Or maybe he doesn't. For that moment he just completely loses all sense of reality.
 
acnumber9 said:
Cantona kind of learned that you're not supposed to kick fans. I don't think he was ever even sent off again afterwards. He made a mistake, he was punished, he learned from it. That is where any comparison with Suarez ends.
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The comparison actually ends before your sentence starts, as it's clear that Suarez hasn't learned from his bans.
 
RedRover said:
All I said when I started this was that I wasnt surprised that some fans and elements of the media in his own country would try to defend him. I have never defended him, nor defended the actions of people who are trying to. I thought it was a pretty uncontroversial point.

I only raised Cantona because it illustrated my point - that fans will usually sympathise with their own and try to defend them. The comments I've had on here from people actually highlight that very point when they try to mitigate what he did - i.e. "he was given racist abuse" or " he learned his lesson". I'm not comparing Suarez with Cantona in terms of behavior or anything else.

You're directing your bile at the wrong person, having jumped in halfway through and totally missed the point. Personally I think he should be banned for a massive amount of time for both club and country and that Liverpool should move him on as quickly as possible to get him out of the PL.
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Thats a strange reply.

Maybe you should go back and read my post again and digest it in the manner it was intended.
 
Ducklegs said:
Thats a strange reply.

Maybe you should go back and read my post again and digest it in the manner it was intended.
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Apologies if I have misundrstood. I wish I'd never made the first post to be honest because some seem keen to jump down my throat and assume I'm defending the man - which I'm not.
 
Archie Leach said:
Cantona was banned for a year, why would Liverpool fans want to draw attention to that incident?
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Scouse logic.

The same scouse logic that provoked one of them to ring up talksport this morning and claim the only people that would be being punished by banning Suarez would be Liverpool fans.

Always the victims.
 
4 month ban for their rat boy! Get searching lads :lol:
 
RAWKite said:
What a joke, 2 months less that Rio got for missing a drugs test. Shocking by FIFA.
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RAWKite said:
The lad needs help not (just) punishment. There is no reason why Liverpool should suffer.
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RAWKite said:
So we get fecked over again? nice you Luis daft, mad bastard.
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RAWKite said:
Unfair. Totally unfair. Poor Luis.
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RAWKite said:
What a fecking travesty. Get some perspective you corrupt bunch of idiots.
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To be fair, there's rare signs of reality rearing it's ugly head over on RAWK;

Was always going to happen when you bite people
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He's a fecking idiot, I have no sympathy.
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Can't complain
really considering it's his third offence.The man needs to get some help.
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Yeah, it's a conspiracy that he couldn't stop himself sinking his teeth into someone for a THIRD time. Get a grip.
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