RAWK Goes Into Meltdown | 2013/14

bishblaize said:
Crucial difference though is that Cantona was reacting to racist abuse flung his way, which makes him an anti-hero. As with all anti-heros, the means may be questionable but the motive is not. Thats enough for United fans to accept him. Indeed in many people's eyes its a central part of the mythos.

Suarez on the other hand is just a straight up villain. Diving, swearing, cheating, biting, racist. No real way of rationalising that, other than saying you dont think those things are all that bad.
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There was nothing about it being "racially motivated" at the time.

And it doesn't justify launching headlong into a crowd of people watching a football game who could have been hurt if they got in the way. And like the poster above, you're showing what i mean by trying to justify his actions as an "anti-hero".

I love Eric as much as the next man by the way - he is probably my favourite ever United player, but he was a nutcase and had issues. The club and fans didn't care though because he was such a talent - and that is largely how fans will be.
 
Subho611 said:
No fans will back him because he carries their team. Had it been some bloke in the reserves then they would have called for his head in order to take the moral high ground.

Also, the Fergie didn't pay a visit to the local t-shirt printing store when Cantona did that.
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You're right - as I said above, they'll be desperate for it to blow over.

And Fergie could have told Cantona he was out of order and moved him on - but he didn't. He let him sit his ban out, kept him as close to the club as was possible and picked him as soon as he could - because that was the best course of action for the team.
 
Rodgers talks an awful lot of shite when it comes to football. "It's what I call a Spanish penalty" being a prime example.

However, the man has courage of his convictions and does not tolerate crap from any of his players.

So my question is, if Rodgers rightfully hangs Suarez out to dry over this, how will the scousers, who are defending Suarez, react?
 
RedRover said:
You're right - as I said above, they'll be desperate for it to blow over.

And Fergie could have told Cantona he was out of order and moved him on - but he didn't. He let him sit his ban out, kept him as close to the club as was possible and picked him as soon as he could - because that was the best course of action for the team.
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Cantona did it once. For Suarez this is the umpteenth time. He racially abused Evra, then decided to drag it on by refusing to shake his hand and all this while the club and the manager supported him blindly. Then he refused to heed the party line by not apologizing to Evra and took their name through mud.

Last summer he kept on questioning their ambition and kept flirting with Real. In spite of all this Liverpool backed him constantly. Then he promised on national television that he won't do anything that embarrasses him in front of his kids and guess which platform he chooses to repeat the same offence the third time? The Football World Cup.
 
Why is this still going on in here? There's a thread for it. Take a hike, you fruits.
 
RedRover said:
Racially abused? Not how I recall it. He got a mouthful off some yob in the crowd having previously blew his top and got a deserved red.

Players (wrongly) get dogs abuse off opposition fans - he just kicked off because he'd already lost it and was looking for someone to take it out on.

And the irony is here, that you're actually trying in a small way to justify it with reference to "provocation" - which illustrates the point I'm making.

When you actually look at it he dived feet first into a crowd of innocent bystanders, including women and children to try and stove some morons head in, having to be dragged back by teammates - because a bloke was shouting at him. Hardly justified and frankly if that were Suarez or Barton they'd be chased out of the PL these days.

I've still never seen anything like it to this day, and the club, and fans welcomed him back with open arms, cheering him when he scored on his first game back like a hero.

As I've said repeatedly I'm not justifying anything. Suarez deserves to be banned for a long time - both for club and country. But the fans will always back him because that's what most fans do.
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Think you should look at how your club handled the Suarez racism episode. Not only the fans, but also the club itself treated him as a martyr and made a concerted effort to paint Evra as the villain of the piece.

I've still never seen anything like it to this day.

Except for how Uruguay seems to be handling this incident...
 
RedRover said:
Racially abused? Not how I recall it. He got a mouthful off some yob in the crowd having previously blew his top and got a deserved red.

Players (wrongly) get dogs abuse off opposition fans - he just kicked off because he'd already lost it and was looking for someone to take it out on.

And the irony is here, that you're actually trying in a small way to justify it with reference to "provocation" - which illustrates the point I'm making.

When you actually look at it he dived feet first into a crowd of innocent bystanders, including women and children to try and stove some morons head in, having to be dragged back by teammates - because a bloke was shouting at him. Hardly justified and frankly if that were Suarez or Barton they'd be chased out of the PL these days.

I've still never seen anything like it to this day, and the club, and fans welcomed him back with open arms, cheering him when he scored on his first game back like a hero.

As I've said repeatedly I'm not justifying anything. Suarez deserves to be banned for a long time - both for club and country. But the fans will always back him because that's what most fans do.
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No justification…just different context all together.

Cantona shouldn't have done it and got what he deserved…end of story.

Let's see what happens with Suarez
 
Subho611 said:
Cantona did it once. For Suarez this is the umpteenth time. He racially abused Evra, then decided to drag it on by refusing to shake his hand and all this while the club and the manager supported him blindly. Then he refused to heed the party line by not apologizing to Evra and took their name through mud.

Last summer he kept on questioning their ambition and kept flirting with Real. In spite of all this Liverpool backed him constantly. Then he promised on national television that he won't do anything that embarrasses him in front of his kids and guess which platform he chooses to repeat the same offence the third time? The Football World Cup.
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I agree totally. You don't need to convince me the blokes an arsehole - I'm just pointing out that traditionally, a lot of fans see no wrong in their own players.
 
swooshboy said:
Think you should look at how your club handled the Suarez racism episode. Not only the fans, but also the club itself treated him as a martyr and made a concerted effort to paint Evra as the villain of the piece.

I've still never seen anything like it to this day.

Except for how Uruguay seems to be handling this incident...
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My club? Have you actually read the posts I've made?

And both incidents were utterly repugnant in my opinion.
 
Mr. MUJAC said:
No justification…just different context all together.

Cantona shouldn't have done it and got what he deserved…end of story.

Let's see what happens with Suarez
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Hopefully he gets a lengthy ban for club and country as deserved.

No place for anything like this in football and he never seems to learn or show any remorse.
 
One poster got absolutely mauled for making the point that if Suarez can flat-out lie about this bite the way he has, then what else has he lied about in the past? Poor lad needs to learn to not make valid points unless they support the racist, biting scumbag.

Edit: Bloody Mods locked it. Fun over!
 
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That's like telling the Birmingham Six they can't have jobs because they were charged for terrorism, even though they were found innocent over a decade later.

If you believe Suarez was innocent, and if the club believes he was innocent, then you can't hold it against him.

Nor can you hold the Ajax bite against him.

Nor this one. Because none of it reflects Liverpool Football Club. It reflects Luis Suarez.
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I honestly don't understand this logic at all. Comparing Suarez being found guilty of racially abusing Evra to the Birmingham six? How does the bite not reflect on on Liverpool, he is a Liverpool player last time I checked? Or how they can't hold the bites against him? Anyone who speaks RAWK care to explain this to me?
 
RedRover said:
Racially abused? Not how I recall it. He got a mouthful off some yob in the crowd having previously blew his top and got a deserved red.

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The Mitcher said:
We didn't ban him, the FA and law courts did.
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Wow, time does change people's memories doesn't it!

the racial element was stated in the trial, and everyone has already corrected the we didn't ban him thing.

I remember both things and I was a mere 13 at the time
 
Sandikan said:
Wow, time does change people's memories doesn't it!

the racial element was stated in the trial, and everyone has already corrected the we didn't ban him thing.

I remember both things and I was a mere 13 at the time
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I just said fair enough I was wrong, jesus christ.
 
Anyone read the post suggesting that Liverpool should get compensation from Uruguay if Suarez is banned? :lol:
 
Subho611 said:
Cantona did it once. For Suarez this is the umpteenth time. He racially abused Evra, then decided to drag it on by refusing to shake his hand and all this while the club and the manager supported him blindly. Then he refused to heed the party line by not apologizing to Evra and took their name through mud.

Last summer he kept on questioning their ambition and kept flirting with Real. In spite of all this Liverpool backed him constantly. Then he promised on national television that he won't do anything that embarrasses him in front of his kids and guess which platform he chooses to repeat the same offence the third time? The Football World Cup.
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Seeing KKK in his suarez tee was really rather sad.
 
I am most looking forward to the fantastical twists of logic and double standards from RAWK when he is banned.

When he got his bans here, it was the racist FA, Evra lying, United controlling the FA to get him banned after biting Ivanovich.

How are they going to implicate us in this piece of filths current predicament?
 
Ducklegs said:
I am most looking forward to the fantastical twists of logic and double standards from RAWK when he is banned.

When he got his bans here, it was the racist FA, Evra lying, United controlling the FA to get him banned after biting Ivanovich.

How are they going to implicate us in this piece of filths current predicament?
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Some are already blaming Evra as it's cause of him that he has a bad reputation. :wenger:

Other then that I'm sure the FA, Fergie, the British media, Maggie Thatcher and who ever else pops into their head at the time will get the blame.
 
I told my sister who is completely disinterested in football. Her first reaction? Bemused laughter. When I told her it was the third time? More laughter.

If he was going around punching people in the face, I'd be more willing to condemn him. The fact is he's done the sum of feck all damage to three fellas by having a nibble, and will probably have been punished for over 30 games for them. I'm not saying that's unjust by the way. But that's what it is, isn't it? If he'd broken three noses, would he have been suspended for less games?

I don't see how it being more unusual equals it being worse. Shitting on a fellas chest while he's sleeping is probably more uncommon than murdering or crippling someone. It doesn't mean it's worse though.
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They really are a special bunch, comparing this situation to a bunch of situations that have nothing to do with it.

Sister's reaction? The phrase disinterested in football should be a clue as to her reaction.

Physical violence? Not the same thing and he would probably be in Jail.

A lot of scouser's justifications seem to start and end at "Well he hasn't done *insert worse thing than biting* so its not a big deal" But you could apply that logic to absolutely anything in order to trivialize it, "Well he robbed a bank but at least he didn't kill anyone."

No one is saying that Suarez started world war 3 but what he did do was wrong and the sooner they can accept that the better.
 
I realise that everyone here wants to protect and defend Suarez.

But didn't any of your Mums ever tell you not to bite anyone? I can't believe how so many on here just laugh his behaviour off.
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They all did, along with don't kick anybody, don't hit them, don't push them, don't use bad language, don't lie, don't make a fuss....
It's still all happening all they time. I don't really get while 'biting' (and we're not even talking Mike Tyson bite your ear off biting here, more a nip) seems to be so much worse.
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This is what happens when you talk sense.
 
One Rawk cnut is furious that this is getting so much media attention. Apparently if Rooney did something similar it would've been swept under the carpet. :lol:

Do these morons even read what they post? Everytime Rooney farts it's news for 2 days.
 
Y2A said:
Does Lugano have any shame at all?
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Does Uruguay have any shame at all? Apparently this is all a blatant conspiracy. If so, it's the first ever conspiracy that is based on facts available to the whole world - no lines needing to be read between.

Obligatory RAWK lolz (I think it should be a rule to post something off RAWK in this thread - this took me literally 10 seconds to find, they are that mental.)

RAWKlogic said:
However, you go watch some street football in the favelas of latin america and you will see this and much much worse. It is a weird combination of animalistic instinct and playground football as I knew growing up in the UK. All sorts of weird hair pulling, eye poking, biting, rabbit punching, spitting etc. So that is where Luis learned his footballing/competitive instincts. Not in some lush academy with professional coaches.

The thing is, this background is exactly why we love Luis. Those instincts are what sets him apart from the rest. How many times have we seen him predict the seemingly unpredictable (Uruguays 2nd against England?) or fight his way through an avalanche of tackles, miraculously keeping the ball for us to score (v Man United setting up Kuyt). Players like that don't come from academies, they are created in the hell that is a latin favela. If we want to have a player like that then we will have to accept the occassional moment of madness.
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Make of that as you will.
 
Spark said:
Does Uruguay have any shame at all? Apparently this is all a blatant conspiracy. If so, it's the first ever conspiracy that is based on facts available to the whole world - no lines needing to be read between.

Obligatory RAWK lolz (I think it should be a rule to post something off RAWK in this thread - this took me literally 10 seconds to find, they are that mental.)



Make of that as you will.
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Mate I agree with his assessment.
 
bishblaize said:
Eh? Yes there was.
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Seems he called him a "French B**tard" - fair enough. I'm not going to get involved in what people consider is and isn't racist. It's evidently offensive, so fine.

Still sounds like fans defending his actions though - which is all I'm saying - fans do that for their own, especially the star players.
 
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