RAWK Goes Into Meltdown | 2013/14

Dunk said:
Dunk is sad :(

And people saying Suarez cheated at the 2010 WC are being disingenuous. He got punished for handling the ball. The ball didn't cross the line, he got sent off (and banned for two subsequent matches) and Ghana got a penalty, which they missed. The only disgusting thing he did was celebrate like a rat after Gyan missed.

And I'm not finished. Any decent footballer would have handled the ball to give their country a chance in that situation.
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Yep, I agree with this. There was no cheating at all, he just stopped the ball with his hand (like many players have done including our own Scholes and Phil Neville) and he deservedly got send off and Ghana had a pen. I don't think that even the celebration was disgusting, every player celebrates if the opponent misses a pen that would have eleminated his team. I remember all United players celebrating when John Terry became our hero.

I don't know why people still insist on mentioning this when there are already a lot of disgusting acts from Suarez including racism and three times biting.
 
Dunk said:
No, this is genuinely what I want. Jeez, he just bit Chiellini, big woop, it's not like he really hurt him.
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:lol: If you are not a self confessed Liverpool or Uruguay fan or worst case, both, then you are surely wumming by disguising. Otherwise it is standard delusion for a Liverpool fan.
 
The Uruguayan media is defending him more than Liverpool did during the Evra racism saga.
 
Stanzin Lama said:
Being odd can't surely be that serious a crime though? And I admit its really fcking odd.
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Being odd a serious crime? If you go and bite someone in the street would they laugh it off, would the cops not treat it as a serious assault?

Lets be honest here its more things than just odd, in my opinion its worse than punching, kicking or elbowing someone, think about it hes sinking his teeth into another persons flesh thats fecking mental. One of the scummiest things you can do to a person.

What makes it worse is as we all know this is the third time hes done it, so its not like its a once in a lifetime rush of blood its premeditated.

He should have got a serious ban for biting ivanovic last year, hopefully Fifa take that into account and realize without a real punishment this time he will keep doing this.
 
stevoc said:
Being odd a serious crime? If you go and bite someone in the street would they laugh it off, would the cops not treat it as a serious assault?

Lets be honest here its more things than just odd, in my opinion its worse than punching, kicking or elbowing someone, think about it hes sinking his teeth into another persons flesh thats fecking mental. One of the scummiest things you can do to a person.

What makes it worse is as we all know this is the third time hes done it, so its not like its a once in a lifetime rush of blood its premeditated.

He should have got a serious ban for biting ivanovic last year, hopefully Fifa take that into account and realize without a real punishment this time he will keep doing this.
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Of course the cops would treat it as an assault. But surely the offense would be less serious compared to if you go and break someone's legs. And I admit its mental. The person is clearly wrong in the head. But once again, judging on the basis of the effects of the crime, unless Chiellini has some equally weird dental disorientation disease or is really mentally fragile, the damage done here is miniscule. The only reason that holds water here for serious punishment is the intent, which I admit is there. But people do things like stamp on people's legs or elbow or spit intentionally all the time. Hell, Suarez himself is a major offender in that regard (stamping). And he has never been punished retrospectively for that has he. So unless this is a punishment purely on the basis of weirdness of the act, I don't see why he should be punished severely.
 
stevoc said:
Being odd a serious crime? If you go and bite someone in the street would they laugh it off, would the cops not treat it as a serious assault?
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If FIFA don't ban him, perhaps Chiellini should press charges. An assault on a football pitch is no different legally to an assault on the street.
 
Stanzin Lama said:
Of course the cops would treat it as an assault. But surely the offense would be less serious compared to if you go and break someone's legs. And I admit its mental. The person is clearly wrong in the head. But once again, judging on the basis of the effects of the crime, unless Chiellini has some equally weird dental disorientation disease or is really mentally fragile, the damage done here is miniscule. The only reason that holds water here for serious punishment is the intent, which I admit is there. But people do things like stamp on people's legs or elbow or spit intentionally all the time. Hell, Suarez himself is a major offender in that regard (stamping). And he has never been punished retrospectively for that has he. So unless this is a punishment purely on the basis of weirdness of the act, I don't see why he should be punished severely.
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If a player went and broke another players legs with clear purpose they would be banned from football for life and probably placed in jail. There's a difference between going in for a wild, reckless tackle and actually trying to hurt somebody on purpose, with the only objective in the players mind being to cause harm.

Suarez has bitten somebody three times. What else does that mean he is capable of on the pitch? If I was a player I'd honestly be wary of going out on the same field as him, if a guy has the capability to do something as absolutely crazy as biting somebody and is a serial offender of this, he really shouldn't be allowed to continue playing. It's a seriously disgusting act. People stamp out of aggression, which whilst abhorrent is understandable when the heat rises. Biting shows a certain lack of rational thought, it's not a rational response to being provoked, which he actually wasn't. It's quite frightening to be bitten, imagine you were just busy playing football and somebody decided they'd have a nibble on your shoulder. He's already shown he's capable of other acts of violence, so a lengthy ban could be a deterrent to him not just to stop going around biting other human beings, but to stop other ways he'd like to hurt them.

Spitting at another player holds a large ban as well. It, like biting, is considered a disgusting, hugely disrespectful and cowardly thing to do.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Their captain, Lugano, is a fully paid up RAWKite.






Bunch of f*cking weirdos.
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Eriksen said:
If a player went and broke another players legs with clear purpose they would be banned from football for life and probably placed in jail. There's a difference between going in for a wild, reckless tackle and actually trying to hurt somebody on purpose, with the only objective in the players mind being to cause harm.

Suarez has bitten somebody three times. What else does that mean he is capable of on the pitch? If I was a player I'd honestly be wary of going out on the same field as him, if a guy has the capability to do something as absolutely crazy as biting somebody and is a serial offender of this, he really shouldn't be allowed to continue playing. It's a seriously disgusting act. People stamp out of aggression, which whilst abhorrent is understandable when the heat rises. Biting shows a certain lack of rational thought, it's not a rational response to being provoked, which he actually wasn't. It's quite frightening to be bitten, imagine you were just busy playing football and somebody decided they'd have a nibble on your shoulder. He's already shown he's capable of other acts of violence, so a lengthy ban could be a deterrent to him not just to stop going around biting other human beings, but to stop other ways he'd like to hurt them.

Spitting at another player holds a large ban as well. It, like biting, is considered a disgusting, hugely disrespectful and cowardly thing to do.
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Lots of times people have gone on with the intent of serious hurting in the football match. Keane himself admitted on the same. Placing them in jail almost completely never has happened. But that is besides the point anyway. All I am claiming is, there have been players, including Suarez himself who have habitually done a lot worse in the pitch that biting them, with intent. Ramos and Pepe have a history of constant elbows and kicks in their opponents and yet they haven't been punished. The difference here is that the drama and oddness of crime have triumphed over its severity which is understandable because its highly unusual. Is it logical though?

BTW, this discussion is apt for Suarez thread. Won't derail RAWK mania no more.
 
Dunk said:
You know what, forget it. No, I'm definitely not a Liverpool fan, I just recognise the value of entertainment and controversy in the World Cup finals. Yes, I do believe in the beautiful game of football. I'm not even Irish, but I felt betrayed when Henry handled the ball to win France WC qualification four years ago. Suarez's incident isn't really like that. But fine, I guess there is no argument for it.
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Chances are they wouldn't have scored if they'd been correctly reduced to 10 men, and got knocked out. Unless of course, you don't think it was a red card offence, it is like the Henry incident.
 
Dunk said:
Dunk is sad :(

And people saying Suarez cheated at the 2010 WC are being disingenuous. He got punished for handling the ball. The ball didn't cross the line, he got sent off (and banned for two subsequent matches) and Ghana got a penalty, which they missed. The only disgusting thing he did was celebrate like a rat after Gyan missed.

And I'm not finished. Any decent footballer would have handled the ball to give their country a chance in that situation.
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What about kids who watch that kind of behaviour? Do you put your satisfaction above the education of future generations regarding what's acceptable? You're talking nonsense.
 
Stanzin Lama said:
Of course the cops would treat it as an assault. But surely the offense would be less serious compared to if you go and break someone's legs.
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Well i imagine breaking someones leg may be a bit more serious in the eyes of the law, but that doesn't change the fact that suarez has committed a serious assault on another person, kicking or elbowing someone on a football pitch is not right but will happen in a contact sport. Biting on the other hand has no place on or off a football pitch. It is one of the most cowardly and disgusting things you can do to another person.


Stanzin Lama said:
And I admit its mental. The person is clearly wrong in the head. But once again, judging on the basis of the effects of the crime, unless Chiellini has some equally weird dental disorientation disease or is really mentally fragile, the damage done here is miniscule. The only reason that holds water here for serious punishment is the intent, which I admit is there. But people do things like stamp on people's legs or elbow or spit intentionally all the time. Hell, Suarez himself is a major offender in that regard (stamping). And he has never been punished retrospectively for that has he. So unless this is a punishment purely on the basis of weirdness of the act, I don't see why he should be punished severely.
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Come on mate spitting? Disgusting as it is to spit at someone its nothing compared to biting another human being.

As i said in my opinion its worse than elbowing,kicking etc. I don't know if you ever have but i can tell you as a person who has been bitten i reacted more extremely to being bitten than i ever have to being punched or kicked.

If this was the first time he had done it i would say its possible he just lost control in an isolated incident and a 10-15 game ban should suffice. But 3 times now, Fifa should be thinking in terms or how many months/years he deserves to be banned for and not how many matches. To be honest if it were my decision i would ban him for 1-2 years that should get it through his thick skull and anyone elses that biting is totally unacceptable.
 
Revan said:
Actually this time a lot of Liverpool fans (mostly based on RAWK) don't have any sympathy and seems that for a lot of them this might be the last straw.
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But his isn't him wearing the red of Liverpool. I think that Liverpool might decide enough is enough.
 
stevoc said:
Well i imagine breaking someones leg may be a bit more serious in the eyes of the law, but that doesn't change the fact that suarez has committed a serious assault on another person, kicking or elbowing someone on a football pitch is not right but will happen in a contact sport. Biting on the other hand has no place on or off a football pitch. It is one of the most cowardly and disgusting things you can do to another person.




Come on mate spitting? Disgusting as it is to spit at someone its nothing compared to biting another human being.

As i said in my opinion its worse than elbowing,kicking etc. I don't know if you ever have but i can tell you as a person who has been bitten i reacted more extremely to being bitten than i ever have to being punched or kicked.

If this was the first time he had done it i would say its possible he just lost control in an isolated incident and a 10-15 game ban should suffice. But 3 times now, Fifa should be thinking in terms or how many months/years he deserves to be banned for and not how many matches. To be honest if it were my decision i would ban him for 1-2 years that should get it through his thick skull and anyone elses that biting is totally unacceptable.
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Generally speaking, in England and Wales the law will only intervene in assaults in contact sport if they are so far from the original nature of the sport or so far in excess of the normal level of force used that it would usually justify a punishment far beyond what the usual disciplinary body can implement. The usual types are intentional leg breaks in rugby and that sort of thing. While the Police in England and Wales are duty bound to detect and investigate any allegation of crime to them, if there is reasonable grounds to suspect that the offence has been committed after a prompt and effective investigation, then it's referred to the Crown Prosecution Service who have a two-stage test before charging. One of those stages is a public interest which is where it would likely fail for most sporting assaults. It isn't generally in the public interest to spend thousands of the public purse to prosecute for an assault that would not have occurred if not for the sporting event and can be best deterred by the disciplinary body of the sport.
 
RedSky said:
The defence of Suarez from Lugano and RAWK...

:lol:

Exceptional.
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This would make a great topic for a Psychology student looking for a unique dissertation subject. The way people with different agendas respond to the exact same evidence is intriguing!
 
If a dog bites once, then you may let it go.
If a dog bites twice, then you take it out behind the shed and shoot it.
Suarez has now bitten 3 players, when playing for 3 different teams.
Someone should take him behind the shed and shoot him.
Not literally shoot him, but take him out of football with no chance of returning.
 
MrEriksen said:
If a dog bites once, then you may let it go.
If a dog bites twice, then you take it out behind the shed and shoot it.
Suarez has now bitten 3 players, when playing for 3 different teams.
Someone should take him behind the shed and shoot him.
Not literally shoot him, but take him out of football with no chance of returning.
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But then he might take to the streets to look for his prey.... the gun option is looking the most suitable plan now
 
Sied said:
This would make a great topic for a Psychology student looking for a unique dissertation subject. The way people with different agendas respond to the exact same evidence is intriguing!
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The way people react just because someone can kick a football really well.

Players can be the biggest scumbags in the world but are supported blindly by blinkered fans and teammates so long as they are really good and do really well for their team.

We've seen several examples in the last couple of years alone in the PL.
 
Dunk said:
Dunk is sad :(

And people saying Suarez cheated at the 2010 WC are being disingenuous. He got punished for handling the ball. The ball didn't cross the line, he got sent off (and banned for two subsequent matches) and Ghana got a penalty, which they missed. The only disgusting thing he did was celebrate like a rat after Gyan missed.

And I'm not finished. Any decent footballer would have handled the ball to give their country a chance in that situation.
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We've had a few over the years. Nicky Butt v Barca in '99 and Kanchelskis in the league cup in the 90s spring to mind. No biting though.
 
Revan said:
Yep, I agree with this. There was no cheating at all, he just stopped the ball with his hand (like many players have done including our own Scholes and Phil Neville) and he deservedly got send off and Ghana had a pen. I don't think that even the celebration was disgusting, every player celebrates if the opponent misses a pen that would have eleminated his team. I remember all United players celebrating when John Terry became our hero.

I don't know why people still insist on mentioning this when there are already a lot of disgusting acts from Suarez including racism and three times biting.
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I have to disagree that it was like other handballs on the line, that was no normal handball, he intentionally did that like a Goalkeeper. Yes he deservedly got sent off and Ghana got the penalty. But his reaction after the miss was out of order and it was intentional, he knew exactly what he was doing. If he wanted to behave like that in the dressing room, fair enough but to stand there and do it in public after intentionally handballing was disgusting. I don't understand your comparisons with John Terry, that was a penalty shootout and totally different. All teams celebrate when another team misses at the penalty shootout, there is no comparison.
 
To be honest I'm not surprised if liverpool fans support him. I heard a great point on the Guardian podcast today, which was that this is nothing new for Suarez, so its unlikely to change your view of the player. If you could accept him after he racially abused a player and bit two others, then a third bite is unlikely to be the difference.
 
TheGame said:
I have to disagree that it was like other handballs on the line, that was no normal handball, he intentionally did that like a Goalkeeper. Yes he deservedly got sent off and Ghana got the penalty. But his reaction after the miss was out of order and it was intentional, he knew exactly what he was doing. If he wanted to behave like that in the dressing room, fair enough but to stand there and do it in public after intentionally handballing was disgusting. I don't understand your comparisons with John Terry, that was a penalty shootout and totally different. All teams celebrate when another team misses at the penalty shootout, there is no comparison.
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Scholes, one of the players most loved here got send off twice on his career for handballs.

This is when he scored a goal with his hand:


And this is when he became a goalkeeper:


Both are completely deliberate and intentional. In what way Suarez handball was worse than these?

About him celebrating, it looked bad but players celebrate when the opponent loses a pen, especially if it is on the last minute.
 
I think this stuff should probably go in the Suarez thread in the WC forum.
 
Revan said:
Scholes, one of the players most loved here got send off twice on his career for handballs.

This is when he scored a goal with his hand:


And this is when he became a goalkeeper:


Both are completely deliberate and intentional. In what way Suarez handball was worse than these?

About him celebrating, it looked bad but players celebrate when the opponent loses a pen, especially if it is on the last minute.
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Was in the World Cup and was a knockout stage. His illegal actions essentially sent Ghana home. Yes they were awarded a penalty but that isn't restitution for what everyone can see was a certain goal. Look at the reaction of Scholes in being sent off for scoring a volleyball goal and Suarez. He's a win at all costs type player, which isn't as ideal as it sounds when that involves racially abusing, biting and cheating to do so.
 
MrEriksen said:
If a dog bites once, then you may let it go.
If a dog bites twice, then you take it out behind the shed and shoot it.
Suarez has now bitten 3 players, when playing for 3 different teams.
Someone should take him behind the shed and shoot him.
Not literally shoot him, but take him out of football with no chance of returning.
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Agree with this. The international ban only that is being knocked around is rubbish, he should be looking at a season long ban from ALL forms of the game. This is the third time he has done this, not to mention the racism
 
Revan said:
Scholes, one of the players most loved here got send off twice on his career for handballs.

This is when he scored a goal with his hand:


And this is when he became a goalkeeper:


Both are completely deliberate and intentional. In what way Suarez handball was worse than these?

About him celebrating, it looked bad but players celebrate when the opponent loses a pen, especially if it is on the last minute.
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That Zenit St Petersburg match we had already lost and Scholes was being stupid, having one of his moments. My main gripe is with the celebration afterwards. I've not seen many occasions where someone has deliberatly handballed to prevent someone scoring then celebrate like he did. For me that was plain nasty and he knew what he was doing. That is different to celebrating someone missing a last minute pen. How many teams have deliberatly prevented a goal with a handball and then celebrated like that, not many. Their reactions to the current Surarez incident show just what a nasty team they are.
 
TheGame said:
That Zenit St Petersburg match we had already lost and Scholes was being stupid, having one of his moments. My main gripe is with the celebration afterwards. I've not seen many occasions where someone has deliberatly handballed to prevent someone scoring then celebrate like he did. For me that was plain nasty and he knew what he was doing. That is different to celebrating someone missing a last minute pen. How many teams have deliberatly prevented a goal with a handball and then celebrated like that, not many. Their reactions to the current Surarez incident show just what a nasty team they are.
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Not the only time he's celebrated cheating with a handball:

 
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