RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

Do the RAWK honestly... i mean... honestly thinks, that Suarez an Idiot, knowing full well using a "negritos" in a match broadcasted around the globe, with TV camera capable of zooming into each player's pore , and nobody notices it? Out of the 100000 words to call your opponent, you chose the "Not offensive in Uruguay" Negritos.

He should know that most if not every black (I should have said afro american, but Evra's a French.. what's the correct word ?) will treat anything like that as racist and a recipe for disaster.

Seriously, he's either a smart ass, a racist, or an idiot.
 
Jazz Tutt said:
Suarez – A Reaction
Posted on December 21, 2011 by admin

Well, well, well – a guilty verdict and a whopping 8 match ban. I really didn’t see that coming on the 15th October when, after I thought Liverpool slightly shaded a 1-1 draw with Man United, the Sky coverage post-match started to pick and run with a story claiming Suarez racially abused Patrice Evra.

“As a Liverpool FC fan this is a devastating outcome but ultimately some things are more important than club loyalty.”
On first hearing this story I dismissed it pretty quickly because Patrice Evra is a) a bit of nutter and b) in the confrontational Neviller-mould c) has past form for unfounded allegations and finally d) with no physical evidence and one man’s word against another the claim would fizzle out as un-provable. Consequently, I was genuinely amazed when on the 17th November, Luis Suarez was officially charged by the FA with, “(making) an abusive….reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra.”

My first reaction was that there had to be a smoking gun – some damning piece of evidence that wasn’t yet in the public domain. Was there an incriminating John Terry-esque video clip? Had the referee actually heard something? I hadn’t heard anything from the Liverpool end so I was straight onto @Us_Monster for a Man Utd perspective but there was nothing that end as well. The conclusion that I came to was that the FA had made a huge mistake and opened a gargantuan can of worms. It seemed that they had started a policy of charging people based on hearsay and allegation alone. A policy that would encourage petty rivalries and recriminations, produce countless official charges but never any convictions.

From a selfish, Liverpool FC point of view I had absolutely no worries. There was no smoking gun evidence so the only way a charge would be coming Suarez’s way would be if he broke down Colonel Nathan R. Jessop style from A Few Good Men while some FA punk shouted ‘I want the truth’ at him!

Then my confidence was shattered last week when reports started to appear that Suarez had admitted to using the word ‘negro’ or some close derivation of it! Knights of Columbus, that hurt! The next 3 paragraphs are based on these reports being accurate obviously if they are materially not I reserve the right to change my conclusion!

‘I only said it once’

One pillar of Suarez’s reported defence and reason for entering a guilty plea was that he only said it once. To the first part of the defence and the amount of usage of the word is only relevant in determining the severity of the sanction not in the determination of guilt. If he used it hundred, ten or once – then he’s guilty. However, the frequency of usage should be taken into account in the punishment of this guilt. A ubiquitous use should attract a greater punishment than a one off usage.

‘It’s not offensive in Montevideo’

To the second part of the reported defence – the ‘cultural difference’ i.e. what’s inoffensive in Uruguay is offensive in England. My major rebuttal of this is, is that ignorance of the law is no defence. Imagine a moron bombs down your local high street at 40 m.p.h. and knocks down a kills a child crossing the road who he’d have missed if he was going at 30 m.p.h. Said moron tells the police that he thought that as there was no lamp posts it meant it was a 40 m.p.h. limit. The moron thought he was doing nothing illegal – does this make him innocent? No, however it potentially makes him ‘less’ guilty and the level of intent / awareness should be taken into account when determining the penalty for the crime. In the same way that if you kill somebody it can be classed as ‘Involuntary manslaughter’ i.e. you didn’t mean to do it and you would expect to serve less time if it was classed as ‘Murder’ i.e. you meant to do it.

‘I’m not a racist’

Liverpool FC’s fierce response to the verdict mentions Suarez mixed race heritage and quotes Evra’s assertion that he doesn’t believe Suarez is a racist. Again, this is not a defence of the crime because Suarez hasn’t been charged with being a racist but only with using a racist term. In the immediate aftermath of the alleged incident John Barnes intelligently and pertinently mentioned that racists don’t necessarily say racist things, and people who say racist things aren’t necessarily racists. Again I would take this into account in deciding the punishment. A racist using racist terms should be punished more heavily than a person using it ignorant of its meaning.

To conclude (again based on the confirmed use of the racist word) then

Patrice Evra was absolutely right and, I would go as far to say, duty bound to report to the FA
Based on Evra’s allegation the FA was absolutely right to start an investigation
If Suarez’s written submission contained an admission of using a close derivation of a recognised racist term then the FA were absolutely right to charge him and find him guilty
After determining guilt we then have to approach the more problematic issue of ‘valuing’ the crime, the appropriate method and level of punishment.

Crime ‘value’

You will no doubt have read and heard many people giving their opinion of racism so apologies for again repeating the obvious but racism (and racist terms) is odious, totally repugnant and has no place in any society. In terms of things to say I don’t think there would be anything spoken that could be more disgusting (there are, of course, things of equal despicability) and attracting the harshest of punishments.

Punishment Method

Fining millionaire footballers, for any discretion, is pointless so I am totally supportive that if a footballer is found guilty then you need to hit them where it hurts i.e. game suspension.

Punishment Level
I have taken the above alleged and confirmed defences into account but the abhorrent nature of the alleged term used and its underlying message I have to agree with the severity that the FA has chosen. I do think there is a bit of ‘shock and awe’ involved in the scale of the penalty but I think that is befitting the crime and wholly appropriate and necessary.

As a Liverpool FC fan this is a devastating outcome but ultimately some things are more important than club loyalty.

@forcefrewgood

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Well said.
 
I don't know why the scousers are complaining. 8 games is nothing. They should have let Vidic at him!

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Aporkalypse said:
Basically what Collymore has done is searched for instances where "Evra" and "nigger" appear together using the Twitter search engine and favourited (basically bookmarked) the ones he found to basically illustrate how pathetic and disgusting people some fans are being.
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Ah right, thanks for the explanation. Sickening stuff.
 
It is very difficult to gauge the volume of cyber offences being reported. They are recorded in police statistics as "hate crime" rather than internet or online offences.

The Crown Prosecution Service also records crime by type rather than medium but carried out 9,993 successful prosecutions for racist and religious crime in England and Wales in 2009-10.

The category is by far the largest covered by hate crime legislation, accounting for just under 88% of successful prosecutions in that year.
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those twitter idiots better watch what they say
 
Was having a look at RAWK to try and get a well-rounded opinion re the Evra issue...Jesus Christ though, they are such ridiculously stupid cretins.

A perfectly legitimate post :

Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fecking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man Utd or Everton we would all fecking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
He is a fabulous footballer. The only true world class talent we have, but as a personality he comes across as a dickhead.
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Often the same has been said here about the behaviour of Ronaldo, Nani and Rooney, and for the most part we can appreciate that if these players played for other teams, we would intensely dislike them....but on RaWK...


Met him have you.....fecking Tesco Allerton...?? Do feck off
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Ah. Another Manchester United fan crashes out from the woodwork like a bemused koala that has taken three hits of crystal meth.
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Paranoid, clueless gimps. I am genuinely convinced the majority of them are on WUMs.
 
Also ... How much of a feckwit is Evra and United going to look when the world realizes what idiots they were to be offended by a word in a foreign language that they didn't understand and yet had the audacity to pursue this racist claim to the level they have. If somebody called me a wanker in Serbo-Croat I wouldn't have a clue if they had or not - mind you I could accuse the majority of journalists and cundits of being onanists in this country and get the same reaction. Truth will always out its just amazing that no single press outlet has sided with us on this ... breathtaking lack of balance or rigour ... fecking journos ... a bankrupt profession!
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Ahh Jesus....please tell me I am not the only one who can see just how awe-inspiringly stupid this is ?

1. Calling someone a wanker in another language is not the same as being racist. :wenger::lol:
2. A breathtaking lack of balance, since not one media outlet sided with racism? fecking astounding, isn't it ? No English media sided with Hitler either, there was a reason for that.
3. Yes, United will look soooooo very stupid for complaining about racism to the proper authorities, keeping their mouth shut whilst the case was being carried out and generally behaving pretty respectably. As oppose to Liverpool, who will come out of this smelling of roses for defending racist actions, wearing spastic t-shirts to support a cause nobody is fighting them on and releasing completely unprofessional, borderline defamatory official statements to the public.

feckin' journos. They are all against Liverpool, la.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
Ahh Jesus....please tell me I am not the only one who can see just how awe-inspiringly stupid this is ?

1. Calling someone a wanker in another language is not the same as being racist. :wenger::lol:
2. A breathtaking lack of balance, since not one media outlet sided with racism? fecking astounding, isn't it ? No English media sided with Hitler either, there was a reason for that.
3. Yes, United will look soooooo very stupid for complaining about racism to the proper authorities, keeping their mouth shut whilst the case was being carried out and generally behaving pretty respectably. As oppose to Liverpool, who will come out of this smelling of roses for defending racist actions, wearing spastic t-shirts to support a cause nobody is fighting them on and releasing completely unprofessional, borderline defamatory official statements to the public.

feckin' journos. They are all against Liverpool, la.
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perhaps wanker in Serbian is also 'negro'?

In what world could Evra possibly look a feckwit after this, let alone United :lol: Even in their warped sense of what is racially acceptable the FA is the only guilty party.
 
Liverpool FC striker Luis Suarez named Sky player of year for 2011 despite 'technical error' which led LFC fans to say poll was fixed (VIDEO) - Liverpool FC News - Liverpool FC - Liverpool Echo

LUIS SUAREZ has been named as Sky Sports' Player of the Year for 2011, despite a voting row in which Liverpool FC supporters accused the broadcaster of sabotaging their own poll.

The vote, conducted on Sky's website in conjunction with their Goals on Sunday programme, closed at midnight last night, with Suarez beating the likes of Robin Van Persie of Arsenal and Manchester City's David Silva to the award.

Due to what Sky say was a technical error however, the poll remained live until 7.30am, by which time Manchester United winger Nani had overtaken Suarez.

It led to furious complaints from Liverpool supporters, who accused Sky of a witch-hunt against the Uruguayan, who was earlier this week found guilty of using a racially abusive word towards Manchester United defender Patrice Evra, receiving an eight-game ban from the FA in the process.
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It annoys me no end that these 'fans' will never be able to understand no matter who or how many times it could be explained to them.
Rivalry banter aside, I'd be ashamed to have anything to do with that club right now. I can't imagine any other club reacting the way they have. Classless and disgusting. I always looked at them above City because of their history but they really are the lowest of the low. Obviously there is a few that speak sense but I honestly don't believe any other set of fans would react en mass like they have.
 
When you are a Liverpool supporter (from RAWK), when does it happen ? By "it" I mean the process that completely brainwashes you into these melodramatic, overemotional conspiracy believers.Surely at some point you must undergo some sort of hypnosis.
 
kouroux said:
When you are a Liverpool supporter (from RAWK), when does it happen ? By "it" I mean the process that completely brainwashes you into these melodramatic, overemotional conspiracy believers.Surely at some point you must undergo some sort of hypnosis.
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It's not just Rawk, all over their forums and twitter, facebook and phone in shows they are showing their true colours. I fecking hate the standard "it's a small minority" bollocks, because in this situation it's clearly not. The sensible scousers are the ones who are the small minority here and the way the entire club have handled it shows why.

It must be something in the water.
 
NewDawnFades said:
Bunch of hypocritical bastards. Proof if proof be needed that they've put their loyalty to a football club over their actual belief system.

It's like a cult
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Would United fans allow club loyalty to cloud their judgement of right and wrong?. I'd like to think United as a club, and a fanbase, would show better judgement, but it's easy to say.

PS. Love your username.
 
charleysurf said:
Would United fans allow club loyalty to cloud their judgement of right and wrong?. I'd like to think United as a club, and a fanbase, would show better judgement, but it's easy to say.

PS. Love your username.
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I think the club's reaction conditions (up to a certain point) the reactions of many of its fans.Every club has it fair share of nutcases but I think a cautious initial response from the club would calm the situation down a little.
The club's response plays a role but it's obviously not everything.This "Suarez case" should make fans in general think about how far they're willing to go to support their teams (and therefore the players).
 
Redlambs said:
It's not just Rawk, all over their forums and twitter, facebook and phone in shows they are showing their true colours. I fecking hate the standard "it's a small minority" bollocks, because in this situation it's clearly not. The sensible scousers are the ones who are the small minority here and the way the entire club have handled it shows why.

It must be something in the water.
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Exactly. They are scum. Thank christ I have no Liverpool fans as close friends, I'd find it hard to talk to them about this.
 
Redlambs said:
It's not just Rawk, all over their forums and twitter, facebook and phone in shows they are showing their true colours. I fecking hate the standard "it's a small minority" bollocks, because in this situation it's clearly not. The sensible scousers are the ones who are the small minority here and the way the entire club have handled it shows why.

It must be something in the water.
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Liverpool as a city seems to have bred more than its fair share of idiots for many years so perhaps your right.
 
Just had a glance at stormfront (not something I like to do too often), and to be honest it's pretty hard to distinguish from your average liverpool fan
 
To be honest it's not only the ones from Scouseland who are that bad, I've been reading a bit on the Danish Liverpool forum and they are pretty pathetic as well.

On Ferguson: "...and he even had the nerve to go out and that the 8 match ban was the right decision even though it's obvious to everyone that it's a ridiculous penalty"

Right, everyone.

All in all it's the same "Evra should man up, what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". It's such a fecking sad state their support is in, it's so obvious they are just blindly supporting their star player no matter how serious the charges is, I bet if he killed someone and it was caught on camera they'd still blame it on Sir Alex. Hell I bet if it wasn't Suarez but perhaps one of Hogdsons signings they wouldn't support him in any sense. Despicable club, despicable supporters, despicable players, despicable human beings.

If this was our club that acted like that I'd be fecking embarrased.

Oh and for some reason they insist Suarez never dives and it's all due to Sir Alex mind games, fecking hell :lol:
 
3 games is a joke......kick out racism?

Their really goin' about it in the right way with this message aren't they?

And the fellas still denying saying it....absolute shambles
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A roomful of chimps typing away for all eternity couldn't make this shit up.
 
PJ said:
Just had a glance at stormfront (not something I like to do too often), and to be honest it's pretty hard to distinguish from your average liverpool fan
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Yeah I thought I'd check up on what they made of it on there.

Looks like they are getting behind their newly adopted team now

dont follow football but saw some of the liverpool game the other day and noticed they were all white?! This is incredable considering how many non whites the other top teams have. Lets hope they do well.
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Klanfield indeed!
 
Ralaks said:
To be honest it's not only the ones from Scouseland who are that bad, I've been reading a bit on the Danish Liverpool forum and they are pretty pathetic as well.

On Ferguson: "...and he even had the nerve to go out and that the 8 match ban was the right decision even though it's obvious to everyone that it's a ridiculous penalty"

Right, everyone.

All in all it's the same "Evra should man up, what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". It's such a fecking sad state their support is in, it's so obvious they are just blindly supporting their star player no matter how serious the charges is, I bet if he killed someone and it was caught on camera they'd still blame it on Sir Alex. Hell I bet if it wasn't Suarez but perhaps one of Hogdsons signings they wouldn't support him in any sense. Despicable club, despicable supporters, despicable players, despicable human beings.

If this was our club that acted like that I'd be fecking embarrased.

Oh and for some reason they insist Suarez never dives and it's all due to Sir Alex mind games, fecking hell :lol:
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They're sick. I mean they're mentally ill.
 
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