RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

acnumber9 said:
The rest of your post became null and void when you described Suarez as brilliant. A striker with 14 goals in over a year in England is not even close to brilliant. Unless nutmegging players before running to the touchline to occasionally win a corner qualifies you as a brilliant player these days.
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I understand people hate suarez as I also hate him but he is a great striker and a good finisher as well. His stats this season have been really poor and I can't deny that but it doesn't mean you have to cover your eyes. You can see when he plays that he is a great player, I am not saying he is the best striker or anything like that but he surely is great or atleast better than a good striker.
He has done well for uruguay(including the handball ;) ) as well. I don't know the reason behind his poor finishing this year , may be off field issues but he is a good player.
 
Kraftwerker said:
The league is the best and most reliable measure of a team's quality.

Birmingham won the League Cup last year and got relegated.
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Exactly.

And Portsmouth won the FA Cup a few years back (knocking a European Cup/title winning Manchester United out along the way).

Look where they are now.
 
The cup win and FA Cup run will give Kenny some breathing space, I also think they were a tad unfortunate last night, as the highlights suggested they could have been 3 or 4 nil up on another day.
The league table doesn't lie though!
 
Liverpool are not getting relegated any time soon for sure, and i do get your point.
But at around the end of season, they win the FA cup & do the cup double, they will consider it as a good season.

For all the poor or good work at the entireity of the season, sometimes how one ends the season is what matters for a fan.

Doing a cup double is certainly an achievement for a fan.
And if they end the season like that, each one of them will be very optimistic of next season, and also Daglish will have something to fool those American owners into surfing few more youtube videos.
 
TheBest said:
I understand people hate suarez as I also hate him but he is a great striker and a good finisher as well. His stats this season have been really poor and I can't deny that but it doesn't mean you have to cover your eyes. You can see when he plays that he is a great player, I am not saying he is the best striker or anything like that but he surely is great or atleast better than a good striker.
He has done well for uruguay(including the handball ;) ) as well. I don't know the reason behind his poor finishing this year , may be off field issues but he is a good player.
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There is a difference between good players and great players. Suarez is a good player. His poor finishing doesn't just relate to this season. He scored just 5 for them in half a season last year.
 
acnumber9 said:
There is a difference between good players and great players. Suarez is a good player. His poor finishing doesn't just relate to this season. He scored just 5 for them in half a season last year.
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He was a january signing, considering it was his first time in this league, I will say he did ok.
In copa he scored 6 goals.
 
Trionz said:
Liverpool are not getting relegated any time soon for sure, and i do get your point.
But at around the end of season, they win the FA cup & do the cup double, they will consider it as a good season.

For all the poor or good work at the entireity of the season, sometimes how one ends the season is what matters for a fan.

Doing a cup double is certainly an achievement for a fan.
And if they end the season like that, each one of them will be very optimistic of next season, and also Daglish will have something to fool those American owners into surfing few more youtube videos.
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The only thing that matters to LFC fans is the league. Don't let anything else fool you.

They've had sporadic cup success throughout their barren years, but it's always been league success they've craved.

The FA Cup would be nice, but it's not like it's in the bag. The League Cup isn't really a big trophy - the big sides don't go full pelt for it.

Given the money spent, to see no discernible improvement in league performance is criminal.
 
One positive to be had about Liverpool possibly winning the FA cup is that if we go on to win the league we will get the chance to twat them in Wembley in the summer.
 
Kraftwerker said:
The only thing that matters to LFC fans is the league. Don't let anything else fool you.

They've had sporadic cup success throughout their barren years, but it's always been league success they've craved.

The FA Cup would be nice, but it's not like it's in the bag. The League Cup isn't really a big trophy - the big sides don't go full pelt for it.

Given the money spent, to see no descernible improvement in league performance is criminal.
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Ofcourse. It is a disastrous management by them to be out of Top4 race so soon, in this & previous season.
I was just stating what could instill optimism in a fan's mind.

As for League success, which has minimum requirement of finishing 4th & winning the subsequent qualifier; Liverpool will have to do a lot to be able to fend off all rivals for that spot.
 
TheBest said:
He was a january signing, considering it was his first time in this league, I will say he did ok.
In copa he scored 6 goals.
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Good for you. I will say he didn't. Given that's he continued poor goalscoring form into this season and all.
 
Considering the history and status Liverpool F.C. have in football, they’ll surely at some point in the future become a real powerhouse again. Question is when it’ll happen; 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?

Obviously it’ll not happen while Kenny is in charge and I really think they should get a young talented manager in with some fresh ideas, like maybe Villa Boas or that Swansea guy, to start the rebuild. Then maybe in 5 years they would be able to compete again.
 
Oldham said:
Considering the history and status Liverpool F.C. have in football, they’ll surely at some point in the future become a real powerhouse again. Question is when it’ll happen; 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?

Obviously it’ll not happen while Kenny is in charge and I really think they should get a young talented manager in with some fresh ideas, like maybe Villa Boas or that Swansea guy, to start the rebuild. Then maybe in 5 years they would be able to compete again.
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Frankly, history means feck all. Aston Villa have a rich history, Leeds have a rich history, Forest have an extremely rich history, but unless you are managed correctly, it makes no difference. The worst thing for Liverpool is if they fall into mid table mediocrity because it will destroy their global fan base.
 
marchi-91 said:
Frankly, history means feck all. Aston Villa have a rich history, Leeds have a rich history, Forest have an extremely rich history, but unless you are managed correctly, it makes no difference. The worst thing for Liverpool is if they fall into mid table mediocrity because it will destroy their global fan base.
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But tbh even after so much mediocrity, Pool have managed to somehow attract fans.:wenger:
 
marchi-91 said:
Frankly, history means feck all. Aston Villa have a rich history, Leeds have a rich history, Forest have an extremely rich history, but unless you are managed correctly, it makes no difference. The worst thing for Liverpool is if they fall into mid table mediocrity because it will destroy their global fan base.
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But they've been a mid-table team (maybe slightly above) for 20 years now, still they have a huge fan base all over the world.
 
Oldham said:
But they've been a mid-table team (maybe slightly above) for 20 years now, still they have a huge fan base all over the world.
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Their European exploits have helped them but the further they drop in the table, the more that will dry up.
 
Cold_Boy said:
But tbh even after so much mediocrity, Pool have managed to somehow attract fans.:wenger:
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Winning football matches, wins fans. It's the reason Arsenal and Spurs are so popular despite limited success. Every year, they still have a reasonable chance at the title. Liverpool on the other hand have had one in 20 years, and they're now at the point where they will be over taken by lower league clubs if they don't drastically rebuild the squad.


Steven Gerrard and Suarez are perhaps the only players keeping them out of a relegation battle. That's how shit they are at times.
 
I found this to be an interesting read on footballers' mental approaches to the game, regardless of the Liverpool bits. The following excerpt is about mutual exercise sessions between Clive Woodward's England rugby squad and the Royal Marines:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=291464.0

On the battlefield a Marine is taught to assess his situation and re-evaluate his mission on a constant basis. There is only one thing you can count on in a battle situation: that events never go according to plan. We call that Dislocated Expectations, and it’s what we’ve subjected you to several times in the last forty-eight hours whilst putting you through mentally and physically challenging conditions.”

Clive Woodward later described how the experience affected his management.

“…I realised that for two years I had been making some fundamental errors on player selection …a critical factor in selection had eluded me. On the last day of our visit, I’d asked several of the senior officers for an honest assessment of the players…

‘OK, if you want to hear it,’ eventually began one of the senior training instructors… ‘There are men in your squad whom we wouldn’t go into battle with.’ He then rattled of their names in quick succession. …It’s not about their skills, Clive. It’s about their attitude and their effect on the team. There are hundreds of soldiers who can run for three days, think on their feet, and handle a weapon. But some of them simply aren’t suited to working in high-pressure team situations. It might be the smallest trait, like a bit of a moan when the going gets tough. Under normal circumstances it wouldn’t have any effect. But in high-pressure combat situations just that one negative trait can destroy a whole team. We are trained to identify these clues because the consequences for us are so serious. It’s the difference between life and death. One wrong team player can sap all the energy from the group.”
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Players that Liverpool should try to replace as fast as possible are IMO:
  • Downing
  • Carrol
  • Kuyt
  • Johnson
  • Maxi
  • Aurelio

Others that I feel should get more time but have not really showed much so far:
  • Henderson
  • Adam
  • Spearing
  • Coates

Then there's Carragher who's not good enough anymore, but I guess he's an experienced player which can be good to have in the squad.
 
Chelsea basically paid for Carroll and Suarez mate by giving us £50m for El Sulk, along with the money for Babel, we spent nothing when signing Carroll and Suarez apart from Money we'd got elsewhere.

Like I said, where's the £100m FSG have spent?
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:lol:
 
bsc said:
Classic dippernomics. In their world, Glen Johnson cost 5 million.

Mentalists
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A good reply here, though:

No. No, they didnt. They paid 50M for Fernando Torres.

Liverpool decided to pay the 22M for Suarez and 35M for Andy Carroll.


Thats like claiming that my work paid for my TV because they gave me wages last month. The work paid me for my work ( Chelsea paying for Torres) and I then decided to spend those wages on a television ( Liverpool buying Andy Carroll)
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cesc's_mullet said:
:lol:
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Chelsea basically paid for Carroll and Suarez mate by giving us £50m for El Sulk, along with the money for Babel, we spent nothing when signing Carroll and Suarez apart from Money we'd got elsewhere.

Like I said, where's the £100m FSG have spent?
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I'm not exactly sure of the inner working of taxation between players when a profit is made, but it seems as though dippernomics does not account for that - I'm fairly certain a fair chunk of change at the highest rate will have to paid to inland revenue, I doubt they will have their entire Torres profit available, not to mention legal and agent fees etc, and they forget to mention they had to pay for Torres in the first place, they act as if the money god swooped down and just handed them 50m for free..... dippers eh?
 
Dresilved said:
I'm not exactly sure of the inner working of taxation between players when a profit is made, but it seems as though dippernomics does not account for that - I'm fairly certain a fair chunk of change at the highest rate will have to paid to inland revenue, I doubt they will have their entire Torres profit available, not to mention legal and agent fees etc, and they forget to mention they had to pay for Torres in the first place, they act as if the money god swooped down and just handed them 50m for free..... dippers eh?
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Dippernomics :lol:
 
i know there league form and position if pretty shit but to be fair to dalglish and some of there fans, they have won the carling cup albeit a 'mickey mouse' cup and have a strong chance of winning the fa cup, not bad considering how long they have been without silverware..

but still :lol: at them being 7th!
 
Their whole nett spend argument ignores the fact that Torres didn't come to Liverpool for free.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
Ah, he's another one of those "Arsenal" supporters.

So, you're basically just a troll coming in here to bother everyone by spewing contrarian nonsense.

Got it.
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I think forum is not the place for you, if you can't take a different opinion.

If you want to hear just another biased opinion, why don't you talk to a mirror or something?
 
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