There's been very few of them relatively speaking, Pexbo. Imagine the situation reversed involving Rooney and Johnson. There's absolutely no way with an identical report there'd be as many United fans showing him this amount of support.
RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)
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If it wasn't on RAWK, I'd be astonished. How he can make this assertion seriously:
'This is about the biggest cover up in recent political history'
in a post that also mentions the Iraq war and other modern controversies!
My highlight was the reference to 'striking minors'. It really did crush the respective chimney-sweeping and flower girl industries.
'This is about the biggest cover up in recent political history'
in a post that also mentions the Iraq war and other modern controversies!
My highlight was the reference to 'striking minors'. It really did crush the respective chimney-sweeping and flower girl industries.
I've seen very few of them to be perfectly honest. People I know who are usually intelligent people regarding any other issue have just turned into complete morons.
It's easy to say what Feeky said about how United fans would react if it was Rooney and Johnson because it hasn't happened, but I agree with him.
That post from RAWK is a joke. Always the victims.
They go on and on about the 'Murdoch' media and Sky etc etc.
I'd like to see them petition their club to no longer accept TV money from Sky. Let's see how that plays out.
I'd like to see them petition their club to no longer accept TV money from Sky. Let's see how that plays out.
Some of that RAWK post made for an interesting read, and had the hallmark of truth about it. Sadly, it petered-out into the usual.
Those kids on that Digimon forum who think the "digital world" is real and spend their time trying to figure out how to get there are more in touch with reality than RAWK.
Which part? It read like paranoid nonsense to me.
Then that dribbling idiot proceeds to write a lot of nonsense which boils down to "we are the victims, now pass me my tin foil hat!"
He wouldn't last five seconds in a reasoned debate, hence why he sticks to pandering to fellow idiots on a site where he knows he will hardly be challenged.
Also, I have never looked into the specifics, but I have never heard the claim that 'Liverpool was bombed more in the war due to connections with the Americans'. Surely that's bollocks?
If it was bombed 'more' it would have only be due to the port/industry there I would imagine. Even then I would certainly have thought that the likes of Coventry or London probably bore the worst of it.
If it was bombed 'more' it would have only be due to the port/industry there I would imagine. Even then I would certainly have thought that the likes of Coventry or London probably bore the worst of it.
The bit about Joan of Arc being a better finisher than Suarez.
Paragraphs 1-5, not that bad.
Paragrpahs 6-10, getting a bit odd.
Paragraphs 11-13, turning into a rant.
Paragraphs 13 onwards, full on spastic nonsense that insults the memories of the people that died at Hillsbrough and completely misses the point on virtually every other issue.
Not once has Suarez been called a racist by anybody in the FA or United during the trial, the only time you hear that word used now is Liverpool saying how he isn't one. Well funnily enough the FA, United and more importantly Evra clearly said that he wasn't a racist and this was about the use of a word in a heated exchange not judging Suarez's beliefs.
That "piece" made me a tad angry.
Paragrpahs 6-10, getting a bit odd.
Paragraphs 11-13, turning into a rant.
Paragraphs 13 onwards, full on spastic nonsense that insults the memories of the people that died at Hillsbrough and completely misses the point on virtually every other issue.
Not once has Suarez been called a racist by anybody in the FA or United during the trial, the only time you hear that word used now is Liverpool saying how he isn't one. Well funnily enough the FA, United and more importantly Evra clearly said that he wasn't a racist and this was about the use of a word in a heated exchange not judging Suarez's beliefs.
That "piece" made me a tad angry.
As I pointed out to bjred before he vanished, there's only one 'side' who have come out and actually used the word 'racist', thus bringing attention to that word.
And it's not the Fa/United.
And it's not the Fa/United.
If he really used 'because you're black' and then 'I don't speak to blacks' then suggesting he's a racist wouldn't be unfair, surely?
Can you imagine the absolute field-day the press would have had if it were Rooney accused of racism? Or even Giggs (in light of his recent travails)? But, oh yeah, the newspapers are biased against Liverpool...
It's never their fault.
I have heard Liverpool being cited as the most bombed outside London before, it took in the vast majority of supplies from across the Atlantic so was targeted as such. Coventry was probably the most devastated as so much was destroyed.
Still we can't take away their sense of being the victim/most wronged now can we?
I never realised that SAF was a Luftwaffe pilot 'til I read that post.
Ah yes, trade connections, much more likely.
In the context of the post I was reading it as migrant connections, and then the port bit being tacked on afterwards.
So in the list of perceived wrongs we have: The War, Thatcherism, Suarez?
Seems reasonable.
If I start writing posts comparing Evra to Martin Luther King, please shoot me.
That post is the reason I never read walls of text in this or any other forum.
Overindulgent claptrap, If you can't say it in a few sentences, at most, it ain't worth reading.
Overindulgent claptrap, If you can't say it in a few sentences, at most, it ain't worth reading.
Manchester was pretty devastated by Luftwaffe bombs, too, right? Old Trafford itself was hit.
It's funny how that poster mentions Americans, as we get the same weird mix of exceptionalism, inferiority complex and conspiracy theories that country's also known for!
I'm not sure why the poster seems to have this view that 'Whitehall' is some kind of masonic lodge either. It is literally thousands of people, all with quite different criteria to work towards. This idea that 'Whitehall' wants to crush Liverpool because it is a constant 'thorn in its side' is very self-congratulatory (shock).
Liverpool, like the majority of the North, suffered under Thatcherism because there was no immediate and clear economic gain to be had from investing there. The easier option was to focus more on services and in London/South East.
Of course, rather than accept this, this scouser has gone for the romantic claim that Thatcher didn't invest there because the collective voice of the scouse had apparently called her out before anyone else, and rang the loudest and truest. Later on there is fleeting reference the abundance of other cities that suffered, though of course, no Manchester...
They suffered because she saw little worth there, not because she was fearful that their crusade might lead to her downfall.
Liverpool, like the majority of the North, suffered under Thatcherism because there was no immediate and clear economic gain to be had from investing there. The easier option was to focus more on services and in London/South East.
Of course, rather than accept this, this scouser has gone for the romantic claim that Thatcher didn't invest there because the collective voice of the scouse had apparently called her out before anyone else, and rang the loudest and truest. Later on there is fleeting reference the abundance of other cities that suffered, though of course, no Manchester...
They suffered because she saw little worth there, not because she was fearful that their crusade might lead to her downfall.
There is nothing of much worth there, that is for sure.
There are only 2 things to ever come out of Liverpool of any note, the Beatles & the football club, and only 1 of those has any longevity.
That's ALL they have in the world, its only natural they will defend it to the end of the world, without them they have nothing.
They should concentrate on the Beatles, they are much better, the football club is a dead loss..
Liverpool played its part in the industrial revolution. The docks were a great employer until cargo ships were revolutionised by the crates that drop right on to lorries, that basically made tens of thousands of men redundant overnight. Since then it's basically been a benefits black hole.
Yes exactly, but the decline of British industry was a blight for many Northern cities. I don't agree with the way the decline of British industry was handled, particularly in the '80s, but they were no exception. This idea that they were targeted for destruction because they were some kind of voice of the free is rather juvenile.
I don't disagree with your final sentence but I fail to see how we should have dealt with British manufacturing/industry losing its comparative advantage. Subsidising inefficient business is only really viable if it's in an industry that has potential for growth in the future.
Well I won't detail it too much in here given that it's probably more suited to the CE forum. But I would have tried to phase it out more gradually and tried to create more alternative work in the regions, rather than just making many unemployed in a relatively short period of time, many of whom were not best placed to find a new job given the levels of specialization they had known, let alone the competition for jobs at the time.
But yes, probably the wrong thread for that stuff. Just wanted to make the point about Liverpool not being unique in that sense, yet somehow perceiving it as some kind of personal slight from the corridors of power.
The definition of an oxymoron (or just a moron)
Why didn't anyone let the corrupt FA know about this?
"ok"
Perhaps in the future, some of them ought to try writing letters to well known people related to the saga? Their balanced arguments would surely be welcomed?
Perhaps the FA doesn't realise that you can't get racists in port cities.
This has all started to make sense now. We saw how good Suarez was in a game last season and he went on to confirm that in the following weeks as well as our game at Anfield this season. Simply the best player in the league right now, potentially the best PL player ever. We knew that with him they would definitely make CL this season and that would be a good financial boost - and we all know how good Dalglish is with money these days. It was also possible that they'd be title challengers with him in the team this very season. We had to rule him out somehow so we made these false accusations in which Evra somehow got offended by 'I don't speak to blacks' phrase which is a completely friendly phrase in Uruguay and everyone should know that.
I find it hilarious how they are banging on to that Colin fella about not understanding, when they have completely failed to understand anything he has said.
Newsflash you scouse mongrels, if you go around acting like victims and morons, the rest of the country are going to see you like that. It's not our doing, it's yours. You have shown yourselves up to be pathetic whining gutless tarts and that's not going to change until you sort yourselves out.
But then we all know you won't, because as usual the problem is with everyone else
Newsflash you scouse mongrels, if you go around acting like victims and morons, the rest of the country are going to see you like that. It's not our doing, it's yours. You have shown yourselves up to be pathetic whining gutless tarts and that's not going to change until you sort yourselves out.
But then we all know you won't, because as usual the problem is with everyone else
That's actually about the best thread that I've read on RAWK for reasoned debate with some fairly articulate posts on both sides (mixed in with the usual shite) and it gets locked as soon as a mod sees it. My way or the high way eh....
The reason Liverpool went down more than other northern cities in the 80s was not because of some conspiracy by the politicians. It was because productivity on Merseyside was the worst in the country and the pilfering culture of the dockers gave the general workforce a terrible reputation. It was a known fact in Liverpool that you could get anything on the black market, everyone knew someone who had a scam going. Industrialists and developers simply would not invest there when the docks went and it was only when Blair got into power that money started flowing in.
So all this romantic nonsense on RAWK is piffle. I am afraid they brought it on themselves.
So all this romantic nonsense on RAWK is piffle. I am afraid they brought it on themselves.