giggs-beckham
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Wonder what the exact net spend is including loan fees etc
Overall Solid 7.75/10 slightly over rated by the players that we’ve got rid of, I see still a huge uphill battle to make the top 4/5 and that’s the real challenge for Ineos?
Mildly racist 0.3/10 for youIs this a typical English fan's poll? Just can't wait?
Bruno hit the road straightaway so can probably draw some conclusion after 4 games, but he is rare breed.
Hujlund, how was he after 4 games? I think none of you can draw a proper conclusion after 14 games.
Maguire, AWB? Sanchez, Sancho?
Only Amad and Pellestri were easy to assess, because they were not good enough to start.
There is a reason why a rear mirror, is called rear mirror, not front mirror.
Poll me again in March, then I can probably give a fair assessment on each of the new recruits.
Mildly racist 0.3/10 for you
See you in March
Mazraoui - 8/10 . Great signing. Low fee, good age, nice blend of physicality and technique, by all accounts a really good character.
De Ligt - 7/10 - Fee is just about right I think. Again raises the character of the team. I don't think he'll ever be considered one of the very best centre-backs in the league. I just think he lacks that elite level athleticism of players like Saliba & Van Dijk. I also think he has a lower ceiling than players like Van De Ven or even Branthwaite (controversial, I'm sure) but I think he'll be a very good signing.
Ugarte - 7/10 - Not exactly the profile I hoped we'd go for but if we're intent on playing a hyperagressive Bielsa-ball then he's a very good proponent. I know this has got pushback but I do see him as a more refined, maybe more mouldable version of Fred. Whether that's a compliment or an insult depends on how you rated him. Me? Loved him...and I'm sure Ugarte will be a very quick fan favourite too. The fee's a tough one to judge. My instant reaction is that we should never be giving PSG their money back for a player they didn't fancy after a single season. In the context of their Joao Neves deal it looks even worse. But putting those two things aside, is £50m really that big an overpay for a 23 year old who's an elite ball-winner? Probably not.
Yoro - 7/10 - Probably the one I'm most excited about. It's the type of signing every supporter loves; a swing for the fences, high stakes gamble where you could end up with the next Rio or the next Curtis Davies. It's a very big fee but I'm just happy to see us taking punts on this type of player again instead of throwing down similar fees for decorated mercenaries looking for their last payday.
Zirkzee - 7/10 - Very reasonable fee. Good age. Very unique profile in that he's absolutely massive physically, yet he wants no part whatsover of being an old fashioned number 9. Style wise he's more like a Joao Pedro or Cunha - two players I'd love here, especially Pedro. Either of those two would have been much safer options; but they'd also have cost double what we paid for Zirkzee.
Overall: A very solid 7/10.
Coherent is the first word that springs to mind.
Just a way more rational, calculated set of signings than the absolutely wild shit we were getting up to in the recent past. We were doing some egregious shit. Throwing huge money at a 29 year old Casemiro despite us being clearly years away from having a team who could challenge? Burning £55m and £250k p/w on Mount who was so obviously - instantly! - a very unnecessary backup from the moment he signed.
Chido Obi Martin?Go!
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(I’ll update this post with all incomings and outgoings and fees)
INS
Matthijs De Ligt (Bayern) - Permanent
Sekou Kone (Guidars) - Permanent
Noussair Mazraoui (Bayern) - Permanent
Manuel Ugarte (PSG) - Permanent
Leny Yoro (Lille) - Permanent
Joshua Zirkzee (Bologna) - Permanent
OUTS
Sonny Aljofree (Accrington) - Loan
Rhys Bennett (Fleetwood Town) - Loan
Alvaro Fernandez (Benfica) - Permanent
Will Fish (Cardiff City) - Permanent
Omari Forson (Monza) - Permanent
Mason Greenwood (Marseille) - Permanent
Hannibal (Burnley) - Permanent
Elyh Harrison (Chester) - Loan
Tom Huddlestone - Retired
Joe Hugill (Wigan Athletic) - Loan
Willy Kambwala (Villarreal) - Permanent
Marcus Lawrence - Released
Anthony Martial - Released
Charlie McNeill (Sheffield Wednesday) - Permanent
Scott McTominay (Napoli) - Permanent
James Nolan (Inverness) - Loan
Maxi Oyedele (Legia Warsaw) - Permanent
Facundo Pellistri (Panathinaikos) - Permanent
Kie Plumley - Released
Shola Shoretire (PAOK) - Permanent
Donny van de Beek (Girona) - Permanent
Raphael Varane (Como) - Permanent
Radek Vitek (Blau-Weiss Linz) - Loan
Aaron Wan-Bissaka (West Ham) - Permanent
Brandon Williams - Released
Tom Wooster (Farsley Celtic) - Loan
*Jadon Sancho - Loan with obligation will update when final information available
Agree with the overall evaluation. I’d probably give Yoro 8, Zirkzee 6 and Mazraoui a 7.Mazraoui - 8/10 . Great signing. Low fee, good age, nice blend of physicality and technique, by all accounts a really good character.
De Ligt - 7/10 - Fee is just about right I think. Again raises the character of the team. I don't think he'll ever be considered one of the very best centre-backs in the league. I just think he lacks that elite level athleticism of players like Saliba & Van Dijk. I also think he has a lower ceiling than players like Van De Ven or even Branthwaite (controversial, I'm sure) but I think he'll be a very good signing.
Ugarte - 7/10 - Not exactly the profile I hoped we'd go for but if we're intent on playing a hyperagressive Bielsa-ball then he's a very good proponent. I know this has got pushback but I do see him as a more refined, maybe more mouldable version of Fred. Whether that's a compliment or an insult depends on how you rated him. Me? Loved him...and I'm sure Ugarte will be a very quick fan favourite too. The fee's a tough one to judge. My instant reaction is that we should never be giving PSG their money back for a player they didn't fancy after a single season. In the context of their Joao Neves deal it looks even worse. But putting those two things aside, is £50m really that big an overpay for a 23 year old who's an elite ball-winner? Probably not.
Yoro - 7/10 - Probably the one I'm most excited about. It's the type of signing every supporter loves; a swing for the fences, high stakes gamble where you could end up with the next Rio or the next Curtis Davies. It's a very big fee but I'm just happy to see us taking punts on this type of player again instead of throwing down similar fees for decorated mercenaries looking for their last payday.
Zirkzee - 7/10 - Very reasonable fee. Good age. Very unique profile in that he's absolutely massive physically, yet he wants no part whatsover of being an old fashioned number 9. Style wise he's more like a Joao Pedro or Cunha - two players I'd love here, especially Pedro. Either of those two would have been much safer options; but they'd also have cost double what we paid for Zirkzee.
Overall: A very solid 7/10.
Coherent is the first word that springs to mind.
Just a way more rational, calculated set of signings than the absolutely wild shit we were getting up to in the recent past. We were doing some egregious shit. Throwing huge money at a 29 year old Casemiro despite us being clearly years away from having a team who could challenge? Burning £55m and £250k p/w on Mount who was so obviously - instantly! - a very unnecessary backup from the moment he signed.
I totally agree with the weakness on the wings, we need to discover if we have any genuine game changer coming through, Eithan Wheatley, Harry Amass, Jack Fletcher, Shea Lacey, Finly Macalster, Mantato, Biancheri, Amir Ibraghimov, James scanlon and Ethan Williams all have a chance however I think only two from that list plus Toby Collyer will be promoted this season.Transfers look good on paper. I'm a bit worried about not having cover on the wings. We have three wingers plus Antony who is not good. Rashford has not been very effective, so not much competition there. Otherwise, we've strengthened everywhere.
I totally agree with the weakness on the wings, we need to discover if we have any genuine game changer coming through, Eithan Wheatley, Harry Amass, Jack Fletcher, Shea Lacey, Finly Macalster, Amir Ibraghimov, James scanlon and Ethan Williams all have a chance however I think only two from that list plus Toby Collyer will be promoted this season.Transfers look good on paper. I'm a bit worried about not having cover on the wings. We have three wingers plus Antony who is not good. Rashford has not been very effective, so not much competition there. Otherwise, we've strengthened everywhere.
4/10
Mazraoui - if he stays fit, okay signing
Yoro - never seen him play besides pre-season games, can't judge him yet
De ligt - from what I've seen of him over the years I don't rate him highly
Zirkzee - never saw him play before playing for us, can't judge him yet
Ugarte - don't remember ever watching play so can't judge him yet
No left back despite not having one last season and going into this season without one
Without selling any centre mid we needed one anyway, signing only one centre mid isn't enough
No winger despite out lack of creativity and goals, only have four wingers and two of them are not good enough
No experienced striker