That is such a bad argument.
To be labelled potentially world class there needs to be clear evidence of that.
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To be labelled potentially world class there needs to be clear evidence of that.
Rasmus is a very different player to Kolo. He is more of a direct striker, but one whose build up play in general is also decent. Højlund has two weaknesses: his first touch and his areal ability. The second one is a weird one since when he does get up his headers are quite good. Given his size and atleticism I am sure Benny could make him a much better header than he currently is. Physically though, he is very strong and can bully defenders, both with strength and pace.
Personally I see Rasmus as a bigger talent than Muani.
Its interesting to look at Muani at 19. Only managed to get 122 minutes for Nantes.
At 21 he had his breakthrough with Nantes. Playing 3000 minutes. Scoring 9 goals and getting 4 assists.
Thats 2 assists and 0 goals more than Højlund in this season for Atalanta, and thats with Højlund 2 years younger.
I think Hojlund would be a bench option, with Rashford as first choice CF. Both offer something different, but Rashford is the currently the more proven player so he'll have the position at the start of the season.
front 3 options from a group of...
Sancho, Garnacho, Amad/Pellestri, Antony, Rashford and Hojlund
Assuming one of Amad or Pellestri goes on loan.
Not awful in my opinion given the takeover situation but also unlikely to make us title contenders this coming season
Sancho, Garnacho, Amad/Pellestri, Antony, Rashford and Hojlund
Assuming one of Amad or Pellestri goes on loan.
Not awful in my opinion given the takeover situation but also unlikely to make us title contenders this coming season
The problem with Rashford is he doesn't play as the kind of striker that ETH likes to have in his team. He played there last season out of necessity more than anything else. If we buy a striker it has to be first choice option for that position otherwise I don't see the point
Both of them will be IMO. Amad should play at a level higher than the championship regularly before coming into our first team and I think Pellestri just needs regular football.
We’ll be lucky if we get top 4 unless we improve massively. We take 1 step forward and 2 back. We’re in the CL! We’re gonna get destroyed with the current team we have, especially if important players are unavailable. Surely getting into the CL as given us more money to spend.
Destroyed by who exactly? AC Milan?
We'll give anyone in the CL a good game and already with Mount we have improved our first XI - the doom and gloom on here is so depressing.
I'm pretty sure we're looking at padding out the squad with some smart buys right now - look at the targets: Mount, Hojlund, Kim etc - all very good squad additions. Then once we get this Qatari deal done we'll flash the cash.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hojlund and Kane in the squad by September.
First of all, no, it doesn't. That's not what potentially means.
Secondly, he has clearly shown rare and well-developed qualities for a striker of his age. He is 20 years old, but already has exceptional movement and instincts. The instincts part is more natural, like Cavani and Falcao which not many strikers possess to this level, especially not at this age.
His hold-up play is also very, very good already.
A characteristic that is common among young strikers that end up great or world class is how they quickly step up from one level to another (see Haaland, for instance, but he's a freak of nature) and Højlund is doing exactly this from Copenhagen to Sturm Graz to Atalanta and then already linked to us in the space of a year.
I agree that the term world class gets thrown around too often and I'm guilty of that myself, and maybe he won't even turn out to be world class, but he is developing very quickly and continously stepping up to the next level and will likely be a good striker at the very least.
EtH doesn't have a "kind of striker" that he likes.
At Ajax, he went from Haller to Tadic as his main CF without missing a beat.
I think it'll be:
LW: Sancho/Garnacho
CF: Rashford/Hojlund
RW: Antony/Amad
Then if you consider that Bruno has broken European records for being prolific as a midfielder, we just need to get him playing in a system where he's able to play off the CF again.
Didn't he score 3?
Because we don't have better/he improves us without this "potential wold class" malarkey? The club can still want to sign good players, you know. Players that make us stronger/allows us to compete for honours. Not every player we'll go for will have "potentially world class" labels/expectations attached to them.
He's a young player so there's a lot of upside - even without "potentially world class".
I've barely watched him so I have no real authority to say whether he is or not. I guess this post gives a bit more into why you think so. I was just disagreeing with the thought that he's potentially world class because that's what EtH is hoping from him.
I guess we'll see if we sign him but for his age and current ability you could argue coming to United now who are desperate for any new striker to hit the ground running will place a lot of pressure on him. We will need to be very patient as many that have watched him have said he's still expectedly raw.
Why does it trigger you so much?
I think he has the potential to be world class, based on what I have seen from him. It's the natural ability combined with a lot of his other qualities that has me convinced.
People talk about Osimhen as if he's world class and also Sesko potentially world class as well. Did you believe Lewandowski was going to be world class when he played for Lech Poznan, or would you laugh at people who was convinced he would be?
The sort of player who should be around the 25m mark and brought in as a squad option
Nowhere near the level of a 60m player starting week in week out as a main PL striker.
Nowhere near the level of a 60m player starting week in week out as a main PL striker.
Why does it trigger you so much?
I think he has the potential to be world class, based on what I have seen from him. It's the natural ability combined with a lot of his other qualities that has me convinced.
People talk about Osimhen as if he's world class and also Sesko potentially world class as well. Did you believe Lewandowski was going to be world class when he played for Lech Poznan, or would you laugh at people who was convinced he would be?
It's a useless term anyways.
There is no malarkey. The club have identified Højlund as a good striker and a potentially top class player. Move along.
Why does it trigger you so much?
I think he has the potential to be world class, based on what I have seen from him. It's the natural ability combined with a lot of his other qualities that has me convinced.
People talk about Osimhen as if he's world class and also Sesko potentially world class as well. Did you believe Lewandowski was going to be world class when he played for Lech Poznan, or would you laugh at people who was convinced he would be?
This is so bizarre. Having a perfectly fine/normal discussion "why does it trigger you so much?
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weird stuff. is this how you have conversations with people?You called him potentially world class. I was taken aback by him being labelled such - I read further down the thread and saw your post about seeing world class qualities in him. I said I've not seen it yet, but will agree to disagree, please proceed. Someone else said something along the lines of "why would the club faff around with trying to sign players we don't see world class potential in?" - to which I replied that is there nothing in between average and world class? the club could still be trying to sign good players that make us better. Him being young has a lot of upside without necessarily having all this "potential world class" stuff hanging above him/this transfer.
You: you're triggered
what. the. feck.We need a striker. Do not care who it is. ETH will mold him in to what we want. Strikers like Martial have picked up bad habits and bad attitute that stops them from being any decent. Do not want Rashford starting as a CF. He is a hit and a miss. Just bring him in.
Right, so what I said then
Any striker we buy HAS to be an automatic first choice starter.
I can see we're already getting lulled into thinking that if we get a player with potential then they could be backup to Rashford or that the signing of Mount no longer creates a pressing need for a quality striker as we will score goals "differently" now.
I have said it before but Rashford can NOT be relied upon to be our main striker
I can see we're already getting lulled into thinking that if we get a player with potential then they could be backup to Rashford or that the signing of Mount no longer creates a pressing need for a quality striker as we will score goals "differently" now.
I have said it before but Rashford can NOT be relied upon to be our main striker
Well he isn't a top class striker currently is he? Though we clearly feel that he has the potential to be. No idea what you find so difficult to understand.
This is so bizarre. Having a perfectly fine/normal discussion "why does it trigger you so much?
You called him potentially world class. I was taken aback by him being labelled such - I read further down the thread and saw your post about seeing world class qualities in him. I said I've not seen it yet, but will agree to disagree, please proceed. Someone else said something along the lines of "why would the club faff around with trying to sign players we don't see world class potential in?" - to which I replied that is there nothing in between average and world class? the club could still be trying to sign good players that make us better. Him being young has a lot of upside without necessarily having all this "potential world class" stuff hanging above him/this transfer.
You: you're triggered
"Bizarre", "weird stuff" and "what the feck" along with a bunch of confused emojis
I mean.. you're asking me if this is how I converse with people?
Pretty pessimistic thoughts mate. Let's see how it goes. Getting Mount and a couple other starters this off season would be huge with the club sale mess going on. We just need to survive until the Glazers are dunzo. City will thrash us but we can play with most other squads.
You're the one seemingly struggling with United signing good players without necessarily thinking of them as "potentially world class". A vague label being used to justify valuations the club is reportedly not willing to meet - wonder why - as of yet. So much so the tone in your posts is seemingly getting antagonistic.
Please be easy. I didn't mean to have upset people for saying it's OK and there's upside to sign good young players without thinking of them as "potentially world class"
Yes? as I'm legitimately confused by your summation that I was triggered? Especially so when I amicably disagreed with you. I do find this exchange bizarre though - and it is bordering off-topic now.
On topic - still think we'll need someone else/more experienced if we bring Hojlund on board. Hopefully Atalanta will make more reasonable demands for us in terms of fees quoted.
Feel like whoever we buy apart from Kane is a massive step down. Might as well bite the bullet and pay for Kane. Without a proper striker we’re going to struggle.
There are no goals in the team, Rashford isn’t going to go on an insane goal scoring run every season. This Rasmus lad even if he has a bumper season isn’t scoring more than 10 goals.
There are no goals in the team, Rashford isn’t going to go on an insane goal scoring run every season. This Rasmus lad even if he has a bumper season isn’t scoring more than 10 goals.
We won’t get close to winning it over 2 legs against the likes of city/Bayern. Even the league will be tougher. Liverpool are strengthening in the 1 position they needed it Most… Midfield. We’re a few positions short.
Bite the bullet with what money though?? It looks like we can barely afford a cheaper striker now that we've signed Mount so what makes you think we have the cash to blow 100mill+ on Kane? That and Levy obviously not wanting to sell to us.
Just annoying that we take months to sign someone. We always monitor, then it’s always preparing bids. Where as Liverpool for example, the minute there leaks came out about that midfielder from Leipzig they signed him couple days later. We send offers via Royal mail 2nd class. Top 4 be much harder this season mate, everyone around us and even Chelsea who can’t get any worse will be fighting for 4th.
5th gets CL next year. It’s all good.
You would hope and expect that a 20 year old lad will kick on and improve. He's already at a pretty good level currently and I would imagine one of the better centre forwards in his age bracket. If we signed him, we would wish for him to develop here under ten Hag and potentially become our starting centre forward one day. That would be the hope. To become a bonefide, genuine starter for a Manchester United side competing for the biggest prizes, you need to be a top class player. As for the going rate, £50m is perfectly acceptable.
'World Class' can mean anything to anyone. However, the aim for a 20 year old striker who is currently at a good level must be to continue that upward trajectory and reach the very top.
I’m sure with some accounting magic we can structure the deal in a way we don’t run afoul of FFP. Plus I’ve been hearing the FFP nonsense for the past 3 years. I’m positive no one in the media has a clear idea on how much actually we can spend. The 100m figure was bandied about last season as well and we spent more than twice that.
For the right price, Levy will sell. There is no way he declines 100 mil, maybe even 90 something or add-ons.
The price we will pay for a shite season and a potential CL miss would be much more than that. No just financially but also morale wise. ETH has a good thing going a shoddy 2nd season and all the progress in the mud.
Happy days.
I can't argue with ya. Pretty much agree. I just don't care as much this transfer season, just care about the club being sold..... and onward and upward. I think getting Mount this transfer season is a lucky coup.
I think the disconnect between us is that I think Hojlund is currently a decent player - and there's a lot of room for improvement - without him necessarily becoming a world class player. I also think the club's reported reluctance to meet the reported quoted fee lands itself to that (as well as budget management). Arsenal for example, they've put up a title charge without what I'd call a world class striker. For further clarification - I don't think United has had many world class players historically (I suspect our views on world class also differ). But alas, I think there's a lot of upside to getting Hojlund on board and part of that is that I think he can improve. Hopefully we get a decent deal.
I think it’s been well reported at this point that it isn’t purely FFP. We’re just flat broke we have like no cash to spend. The Glazers look to be selling up they don’t give a shit how much we spend this summer which is why we’re struggling to decide what to even do with De Gea
Flat broke yet about to complete a £55m deal?
This guy will blossom into a Salah. Might not break the league goals record but for sure he will be a prolific goal scorer. His ability to carry the ball and also with the ball at his feet is his greatest assets which make him to be very composed in front of goal. Very assured guy at his age.
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