Complete waste of space, out of his depth in the Premier League. Ten Hag almost ruined this club with the money he wasted.
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- Appearances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
When watching him for Atalanta before we signed it did look like his technical ability and agility on the turn around the box was poor. Said he wasn't going to be turning and shooting like a young Harry Kane. Very much a poacher and running at goal player and build play was simple deep layoffs for the team to attack the wings to provide service to him. He may have some uses if Amorim can get his full system that could have passes put in front of him to run at goal but no heading and lacking the other skills he may be best off elsewhere. He is fast but takes a while to get there.
Once the ball is around him he is strangely adept and getting a shot off from nothing. Some of his early goals came from defenders small errors, he is good at nicking a shot off.
Sometimes wonder if he could play in place of Rashford or Garnacho to utilize his drive towards goal and he has looked good like tonight providing that pass to Garnacho, his best bits of link up play last season have been in the left corner area. Probably suit a 433.
Someone like Zirkzee for us is immediately involved and linking up the play, getting off more shots in 20 mins than Hojlund in 1-2 games and not getting in wrestling matches
Once the ball is around him he is strangely adept and getting a shot off from nothing. Some of his early goals came from defenders small errors, he is good at nicking a shot off.
Sometimes wonder if he could play in place of Rashford or Garnacho to utilize his drive towards goal and he has looked good like tonight providing that pass to Garnacho, his best bits of link up play last season have been in the left corner area. Probably suit a 433.
Someone like Zirkzee for us is immediately involved and linking up the play, getting off more shots in 20 mins than Hojlund in 1-2 games and not getting in wrestling matches
I’m confident that if you add this game, Arsenal away and Liverpool away together, Hojlund has had zero shots. I’m not even talking shots on target. Any shot of any description. A shot blocked by a defender, a sliced shot that went out for a throw in. Been saying this for a year plus, he regularly comes off the pitch without looking remotely threatening. Zirkzee is regularly missing chances, taking poor shots etc, which immediately points to a far greater potential as you can easily see where the improvement can come from, while also being superior at other things.
His defenders go on about service. Garnacho misses 3 or more shots a game, Amad has 2 or 3 blocked a game, Zirkzee has a few poor shots a game, Hojlund is regularly zero. Can’t he shift it and shoot, ever? Drop a shoulder a get a shot off? Make a run with some fecking sense so that a teammate can pass to him? Get rid as soon as possible. I suspect we can still con someone out of about 40m+ for him. Take it and put it towards a useful striker.
His defenders go on about service. Garnacho misses 3 or more shots a game, Amad has 2 or 3 blocked a game, Zirkzee has a few poor shots a game, Hojlund is regularly zero. Can’t he shift it and shoot, ever? Drop a shoulder a get a shot off? Make a run with some fecking sense so that a teammate can pass to him? Get rid as soon as possible. I suspect we can still con someone out of about 40m+ for him. Take it and put it towards a useful striker.
Not a chance you would get that for him. No one will pay this money for him. He is a 10-15m player.
He strikes me as a confidence player. When he's bad, he's really bad. Build up his confidence with some appearances off the bench. He should never have been our first choice striker from the moment he signed.
He isn’t developing because someone at the club thought it was a good idea to make him the main striker without a proper plan B. He's crumbling under the pressure.
Whoever advised Hojlund on this move must be an idiot, it was a stupid decision to push him into one of the toughest leagues and one of the biggest clubs, where the pressure is immense, and claim he was ready for it at his age. I’ve been highly critical of him, but now I just feel sorry for him. He’s so out of his depth that it’s genuinely sad to watch.
He did, and then booted the post out of sheer frustration.
I feel for him as physically he is what you want for that position. But iv always thought you cant teach someone to be a ruthless goalscorer, its a natural instinct (like Ruud or a young Michael Owen).
I remember feeling the same way about Welbeck - was never going to be that 20 plus goal a season for us.
But look at how he developed over time and into a solid Premier League player.
We dont need to hit eject, just address this position and get Hojlund out of the firing line.
I honestly don’t see him ever being good enough. I’ve said it before he looks like an academy kid getting a run out, who eventually goes on to play for a championship or league one side. Age is far from a guarantee of one day being good enough.
It was quite opposite though. Many of you were calling me out since day one because i was saying all these things about him (which turned out as being the truth).
Striker without technique and good sense for positioning has no place in PL.
Am i too critical about him? Maybe. But i even explained myself couple of times why; i am just not a fan (in football terms of course) of players with dodgy technique. I don't care much is player big or small, fast or slow (as many fans do) but technique is a must for highest level of football.
There are of course, like in everything in life, some exceptions but in general technique is a primary skill. And you can't teach technique. You have it or you don't. Hojlund doesn't have it.
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His confidence is clearly at rock bottom and he's trying to just work his bollocks off through it. Admirable really, but i dont know if itll be enough.
¹Problem being that we brought him to United for a massive fee - huge pressure - into a cluster feck of a setup before he even had a foundation to build from. He was all 'potential' and clearly now with hindsight needed another couple of years starting in a less demanding environment.
I think there's a player in there, but ideally he needs a year or two developing his game at a functioning, lower stakes team. Loans don't really work like that though, especially with what he cost.
I think a spell on the bench and hope that Amorim can work his magic in training is our only hope here. I wouldn't sell him until Amorims had a chance to work with him for a bit first.
¹Problem being that we brought him to United for a massive fee - huge pressure - into a cluster feck of a setup before he even had a foundation to build from. He was all 'potential' and clearly now with hindsight needed another couple of years starting in a less demanding environment.
I think there's a player in there, but ideally he needs a year or two developing his game at a functioning, lower stakes team. Loans don't really work like that though, especially with what he cost.
I think a spell on the bench and hope that Amorim can work his magic in training is our only hope here. I wouldn't sell him until Amorims had a chance to work with him for a bit first.
Meh sure he should never have been first choice striker, but I don’t think it’s pressure as much as it’s genuine lacking in absolute KEY areas of being a striker. You can’t have a hulking striker that is awful in the air as well as being a brick wall technically. That’s already a disadvantage. But then add in the player is very raw in terms of movement and instincts off the ball as a striker and it’s just too many issues for a player at this level.
I get that some players are bad at hold up play, but how can you be THAT bad? I can't remember a single ball that came to him, with his back to the goal, and he kept possession. Not a single one.
Amorim got rightly pissed off when that semi counter attack from the corner was developing until the ball hit him, and he wasn't even aware of what was happening around him. Got substituted 30 seconds later.
Amorim got rightly pissed off when that semi counter attack from the corner was developing until the ball hit him, and he wasn't even aware of what was happening around him. Got substituted 30 seconds later.
Get a striker in and put Hojlund on loan. I am done defending him, first touch is absolute dog shit.
I agree, he's lacking in many aspects and is really not ready for the Premier League, even less a club of our stature and pressure. When we bought him I was sure we were buying him for the future and that an established striker was also on the way in. I never thought he would be our main no. 9.
I was probably overly harsh on him in comparison to some of our other players in the first half but Hojlund very obviously isn't ready yet. I'm not sure if you can say that he never will be; it's quite easy to forget that he's still only 21 which is dead young for a striker starting for a side in one of Europe's top leagues.
As others have pointed out, the real issue is that some donuts decided it'd be a good idea to spend 70 million on him when he'd not done nearly enough to merit that price tag yet, and further decided that he should be our primary option up front when he hadn't proven himself ready for that either.
If there's a player in the squad who I think would benefit from a loan right now it's Hojlund. Issue is we don't have the luxury of a whole load of alternative choices up front. I'd still give Zirkzee a run as the starter now though.
As others have pointed out, the real issue is that some donuts decided it'd be a good idea to spend 70 million on him when he'd not done nearly enough to merit that price tag yet, and further decided that he should be our primary option up front when he hadn't proven himself ready for that either.
If there's a player in the squad who I think would benefit from a loan right now it's Hojlund. Issue is we don't have the luxury of a whole load of alternative choices up front. I'd still give Zirkzee a run as the starter now though.
Nor me. He needs taking out of the firing line for now though. Terrible form and keep playing isn't helping him. Let JZ start a few games.
He is nowhere near Chicharito. Can we please stop comparing him to far better strikers.
The guts of £160 million spent on 2 players, Hojlund and Antony.
Throw in Mason "sicknote" Mount and that's probably over £210 million spent on 3 players who, either through injury or lack of ability, contribute next to nothing to the team.
Scandalous. We deserve a points deduction for that alone regardless of whether we passed PSR!
Throw in Mason "sicknote" Mount and that's probably over £210 million spent on 3 players who, either through injury or lack of ability, contribute next to nothing to the team.
Scandalous. We deserve a points deduction for that alone regardless of whether we passed PSR!
Wasn't Hernandez also around 22-23 when we signed him? I remember watching clips of him for Guadalajara when it looked like we were signing him in summer 2010 , almost knew he'd be a beast for us. Great times.
Throw Casemiro in there too.
His positioning puts him at a huge disadvantage when attacking a cross. He's not gambling at the posts but hanging back for the cut-back.
The ball just doesn't stick with him and it's coming back the way it came before anyone can get up in support. It's a massive, massive issue that needs sorting one way or another.
Agree with this.
He's just absolutely nowhere near ready for this level of football, he should be 2nd or 3rd choice somewhere. Not the main striker for Man Utd.
Yeah but you wanted Ivan Toney
I love the guy for his effort but that was beyond appalling. Lost every single ball up to him and offered nothing else.
The change we experienced when zirkzee came on was night and day.
The change we experienced when zirkzee came on was night and day.
I said after 10 games in he was not up to it. You can't coach talent into players, there has to be a base level and he never had it, unfortunately.
It just seems like every time I come on here Hojlund is getting compared to other strikers.
I don't know if it's an attempt to defend him but it doesn't work.
I don't see any comparison at all to Chicharito they are completely different strikers.
His confidence has gone and it’s hard work watching him at the moment. I can’t recall a striker at United who seems to win so few tussles with defenders.
Time to take him out the firing line for a couple of games and see how he does with cameos from the bench.
Time to take him out the firing line for a couple of games and see how he does with cameos from the bench.
To be honest there wasn’t even really effort from him today. He ran the channels well a couple of times but he didn’t really compete for any long ball that came his way. I hate to be too harsh but he’s nowhere near ready for this level, I hope he can get a goal against Rangers in the Europa League maybe.
I doubt he’ll start.
Tonight opened my eyes a lot. Is “strong” but loses every physical duel and his ability to hold the ball up and control it is very poor.
When zirkzee came on we benefited hugely from someone who could bring others into play.
Zirkzee did also lose a lot of his physical duels. I think a bit part of the difference was Zirkzee drops much deeper making the passes into him easier, when either of them are high we struggle to execute passes to them.
Being young is not a skill! It’s not a player attribute! So often people seem to bely what they see and place blind hope on the fact that a player is young.
Not only with Hojlund, but it’s been a common thing on the caf for years. When listing attributes, before we get past two of them, ‘young’ is mentioned. People have been getting disappointed by this for years. For me, since Hojlund joined us, his biggest gift seemed to be that he was 20 years old. That seemed to be the basis of any defence put forward.
Not only with Hojlund, but it’s been a common thing on the caf for years. When listing attributes, before we get past two of them, ‘young’ is mentioned. People have been getting disappointed by this for years. For me, since Hojlund joined us, his biggest gift seemed to be that he was 20 years old. That seemed to be the basis of any defence put forward.
Maybe correct but what I saw was zirkzee holding it up very well and bringing others into play vs rasmus losing everything.
And as I said I admire rasmus a lot but I’m beginning to think he’s not got enough.
He really could do with a loan to get some confidence back - it’s clearly too big a task for him currently - he isn’t contributing much and keeps losing possession. Feel for him as way too much put on such a young raw talent.
What is clear is that Rasmos cannot hold up the ball and his link up play is poor.
His strengths lie in running at defenders with the ball where he has pace and power.
Is that enouh at this level, i dont think so . Service to him is crap so he has to offe§r mo§re than he does.
Zi§rkzee suddenly looks twice the player.
His strengths lie in running at defenders with the ball where he has pace and power.
Is that enouh at this level, i dont think so . Service to him is crap so he has to offe§r mo§re than he does.
Zi§rkzee suddenly looks twice the player.
What's been up with his attitude lately as well? Absolutely berated Garnacho for his miss, as if he hasn't been the worst player on the pitch week after week. Has recently had loads of moments where he's been moaning or throwing his arms up at teammates.
Agree strongly with this. Every mediocre player around was a young player at some point. A player being young means very little. Vast majority of youngsters who show more promise than Hojlund don't end up making it at the level of a club like United. Just think about how much better Martial was as a teenager and even he never quite lived up to it.
I knew he couldn't be trusted when he was dancing to ABBA.
Worst performance since he joined us.
I was at the game and he lost possession in the 2nd half the stretford end groaned and Ruben just signaled at one of the coaches and Zirkzee was called back from the sideline
I was at the game and he lost possession in the 2nd half the stretford end groaned and Ruben just signaled at one of the coaches and Zirkzee was called back from the sideline