We desperately need new striker. When you manager at home game decides to plsy without striker you know what he feels about his current strikers.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 36
- Goals
- 7
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 2
Zirkzee sending Garnacho nearly off the field with a bad pass straight after summed up the whole situation.
Both aren't near the level.
Rasmus was not the problem today. He has been really bad in the last weeks, but he had that ONE bad touch today, and it is held against him. The rest was okay and the header was pretty dangerous. Does anyone really think that Mainoo or Zirkzee did better today?
He sadly looks like he’s getting worse. Thought he’d at the very least emulate last season (a decent season considering everything) but it feels like he’s gone backwards.
Feels like he needs way too much time and space on the ball.
Feels like he needs way too much time and space on the ball.
Yep 1 bad touch is all it took.
For me he was a threat, got into good positions and was ignored largely by his team mates. That header was very well executed, shame it was just wide. Needs to play and needs his team mates to pick up his runs and pass to him when he’s in shooting positions.
'Better' than previous bottom floor performances.
I'll need to see it again but that bad touch was a overly fired pass from Bruno where he had his back to goal and 3-4 Palace players nearby. Not really something I would blame him there. The pass was stupid from Bruno.
I'll need to see it again but that bad touch was a overly fired pass from Bruno where he had his back to goal and 3-4 Palace players nearby. Not really something I would blame him there. The pass was stupid from Bruno.
It's quite telling that Mainoo, who has spent the entire season playing in central midfield, didn't perform worse than Højlund does in his natural position. I feel sorry for the kid but he really isn't ready for the PL.
He was ready last season, so he must be. Mainoo was exactly as bad as Rasmus, Zirkzee and anyone else playing 9 in our current set up today. I am actually blaming Amorim for the result today. We are playing five defenders and no striker at Old Trafford. Why no Amad on the right, which seems to work. Why no Eriksen, when we have absolutely no control or ability to penetrate Palaces defense? Why? Poor from Amorim.`
Mainoo had a decent start to the game. Dont think Hojlund or Zirkzee could be described as okay during any moment of the game.
Hard to judge considering he seemed to make a number of good runs into the box and yet we seemed to be incapable of playing a cross. I have listened to the likes of Shearer over the last 2 or 3 years say how it would drive him mad to play for United with the lack of service and we saw it again today. Mainoo was available first half but our wide players, particularly the wing backs refuse to play a cross. Watching Dan James yesterday fizzing balls across the face of goal for fun really brought home the fact that we have gone massively backwards as an attacking force in the last 3 or 4 seasons.
No I agree with your views on the player. He seems lost currently and Zirkzee is not that much better. We have the worst strikeforce that I can remember in the history of this club, well from what I can remember since I started supporting United in the early 90s.
Hopefully we can get in some exciting talent in the summer window
That loud groan from the crowd was his Zirkzee boo moment today. It was an expression of we've had enough of this shite now from the support.
To top it off Zirkzee ended up with the ball and sent a simple ball out to Garnacho nearly into touch.
Comedy duo this pair.
To top it off Zirkzee ended up with the ball and sent a simple ball out to Garnacho nearly into touch.
Comedy duo this pair.
I said that on day 1 of his arrival.
He is a youth prospect and should be loaned out to a Championship team.
He must build up confidence and get used to the English league.
For a youth player, with no previous track record (due to his young age) to be thrown in as our main striker is insane!
I doubt he'll improve in our current setup, simply because he is playing with players who can't supply the ball to him often enough, but also because the defenders are top quality.
He should spend about 12 months in the Championship and then be tried out in our team. If he still sucks, he should be sold.
He is a youth prospect and should be loaned out to a Championship team.
He must build up confidence and get used to the English league.
For a youth player, with no previous track record (due to his young age) to be thrown in as our main striker is insane!
I doubt he'll improve in our current setup, simply because he is playing with players who can't supply the ball to him often enough, but also because the defenders are top quality.
He should spend about 12 months in the Championship and then be tried out in our team. If he still sucks, he should be sold.
Sending a 70m striker to the Championship sounds like a United thing
He was brought on when we were broken so I'll give him a pass today, but Rasmus is nowhere near the required level.
He’s been bad this season, but there’s no need to revise history to fit your agenda
Get on the pitch, then - the other players don’t.
His first touch is simply just not good enough for this level.
He tries, and I would love for him to succeed, but his touch lets him down again and again, and his team mates clearly don’t trust him with the ball.
He tries, and I would love for him to succeed, but his touch lets him down again and again, and his team mates clearly don’t trust him with the ball.
What ‘agenda’ would that be? And what part of my post as revising history? This guy has, outside of a month or so, been rubbish for us. The only difference is that less excuses are being made for him being rubbish last season.
Last season his performance thread was full of people explaining his poor showings, and calling others names if they dared to question:
- a 20 year old in a new country
- a player who had only played x amount of professional games.
- a player who has had a serious injury.
- a player getting no service.
- a player in a struggling team.
Whether or not you subscribe to the validity of the above list, what is clear is that such excuses are presented for someone not playing well. The only reason he’s been acceptable to some of you is simply because he ended up with 16 goals. But I was here last season, and read everthing unfold. His brief scoring spree was being used to define his entire season, as is often the case in this numbers obsessed era. As the goals were going in, it was ‘he’s at 13 now, if he can make 18 by May, then that’s a good season’. Typical, lack of context, no consideration to whether or not half of those goals came in 5 or 6 games - it’s just an ‘acceptable season’ now. It’s not.
If you’ve read everything in this thread there’s no more I can add other than you have a very selective memory. Aside from him being injured for part of last season he played well in many games without scoring creating chances for other players who unfortunately didn’t score. He also had a few goals disallowed in the beginning. His passing was often neat and he was extremely clinical. But it seems you need everything he did to be bad so you can put him in the “never good enough”-box. Which is fine, I just think it’s too black and white.
@Schmeichels pinky You are fighting windmills. The "Rasmus is great"-fraction will take over again the next time he scores, but right now the "He is Championship level"-dudes rules the thread. It is black and white. He is either great or shit. There is no middle ground. He was one of the few decent players yesterday, making good runs and a great header, but the only detail noticed in here was Brunos overhit pass which he couldn´t control. The other stuff does not fit the current agendas. That is just the way it is. Btw. I agree, that he has been really bad lately, but not yesterday.
We must have been watching a different player.
He should be starter and replaced by Zirkzee 55-60 minutes in.
He can't last a full game, but he always seems to get 1 great assist per game that teammates fail to score.
He can't last a full game, but he always seems to get 1 great assist per game that teammates fail to score.
It's like the Sharks and the Jets, everyone walking round it circles, clicking their fingers and flashing blades at each other. I'm exhausted listening to them.
Was never good enough so why did they buy him I've always had doubts about him from the day they signed him.
Astonishing to find at this level a first touch this bad let alone at United. I’m in shock to be honest. And it’s not like the rest of his game is great, far from it actually.
It’s clear that he is fighting for his United carrer from now. But good luck to him anyway, he has more than enough games to show his worth.
It’s clear that he is fighting for his United carrer from now. But good luck to him anyway, he has more than enough games to show his worth.
Because I remember him last season, where he scored 7 games in a row, did great in Europe and he still is young, I still have some hope for him. I still hope that he has "JUST" ended up in a vicious spiral, where things do not work out for him, because the self-confidence is gone for both him and the rest of the team. There is no doubt that he really wants to do well and is frustrated with himself right now.
I am still there that I would prefer Højlund over Jackson from Chelsea, and I believe that Højlund will probably find a better form again at some point.
My slim hopes for Højlund therefore lie in:
- Broke the club record last season for the most consecutive games scored. He was only 20 years old, when he did that.
- Was really good in Europe.
- Still young.
- Continue to do well in Europe this season.
- Has a will to succeed.
I'm probably too naive.
I am still there that I would prefer Højlund over Jackson from Chelsea, and I believe that Højlund will probably find a better form again at some point.
My slim hopes for Højlund therefore lie in:
- Broke the club record last season for the most consecutive games scored. He was only 20 years old, when he did that.
- Was really good in Europe.
- Still young.
- Continue to do well in Europe this season.
- Has a will to succeed.
I'm probably too naive.
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Big pressure on him to have a break through
Because I remember him last season, where he scored 7 games in a row, did great in Europe and he still is young, I still have some hope for him. I still hope that he has "JUST" ended up in a vicious spiral, where things do not work out for him, because the self-confidence is gone for both him and the rest of the team. There is no doubt that he really wants to do well and is frustrated with himself right now.
I am still there that I would prefer Højlund over Jackson from Chelsea, and I believe that Højlund will probably find a better form again at some point.
My slim hopes for Højlund therefore lie in:
- Broke the club record last season for the most consecutive games scored. He was only 20 years old, when he did that.
- Was really good in Europe.
- Still young.
- Continue to do well in Europe this season.
- Has a will to succeed.
I'm probably too naive.
- Broke the club record last season for the most consecutive games scored. He was only 20 years old, when he did that:
That was really cool and promising.
- Was really good in Europe:
Let's say it was "good" in CL 2023/24, specially scoring against Bayern even loosing.
Bayer 1 goal
Galatasaray 2
FC Copenhagen 2
Scored in 3 from 6 matches
- Still young: Indeed
- Continue to do well in Europe this season:
Let's say fair, specially when we dissect it:
2 goals vs Bodo
2 goals vs Vitoria
1 vs Porto
Scored in 3 games from 8 matches
Scoring IS ALWAYS good, no mater against whom or when. Against teams like Porto, even more than good, great.
Yet to DO WELL overall, the relevance about scoring against really small teams (Bodo, Vitoria, even when actually giving the triumph), it's that you keep scoring on the others ones, to mantein a regularity, more when you are mostly and just a goalscorer or pure striker.
- Has a will to succeed:
To an extent, with him that will it's serioulsy affected by his current lack of confidence. "Will" without real confidence and grit, can become more like an act, than a reality. For me he took a bit too much time in Social Media when things got a bit well, I guess it's a sign of the times from many youngsters. Yet nowadays he doesn't look like a player that even failing his will it's that noticeable given his lack of confidence and even at times participation (given the context and understanding the all around bad situation of United as a team).
No new strikers coming in. Really has to step up (either him or Zirkzee). I’m not optimistic
We've got to play to his strengths and stop using him as a hold up striker, it just does not work with him in the build up. He should be stood in between the central defenders in the gap and as soon as the number ten gets it just run hell for leather and latch onto a through ball or ball over the top
I think he's had an horrible season but so has the whole team and he's not solely to blame. We barely shoot never mind score, really feel he can score in different circumstances.
I think he's had an horrible season but so has the whole team and he's not solely to blame. We barely shoot never mind score, really feel he can score in different circumstances.
At a better run club he wouldn’t be getting half the chances he’s getting but here we go again, he’ll get a significant amount more in the next few months.
Are we playing to his strength or the team's strength, does not matter in my opinion.
He more than likely has till summer to prove himself in any capacity or he'll be loaned/sold etc coming summer. I believe that's the new model.
The management has taken the view that relegation is unlikely and everything else does not matter except cleaning the house by summer. decide on question marks.
He more than likely has till summer to prove himself in any capacity or he'll be loaned/sold etc coming summer. I believe that's the new model.
The management has taken the view that relegation is unlikely and everything else does not matter except cleaning the house by summer. decide on question marks.
I think we can safely say we knocked 40m off his valuation, minimum.
seems like he is void of any confidence, plays nervously, and has no clue what to do, how to move, how to hold up or how to even control a pass.
We needed him to come good this season, I wasn't expecting a 25/30 goals, just the usual goal once if every 3 games and decent to good performance, we desperately needed him to do something and he has done nothing at all, probably it is too much for him now.
If anyone offers 30m-40m next summer, we should immediately accept it.
We needed him to come good this season, I wasn't expecting a 25/30 goals, just the usual goal once if every 3 games and decent to good performance, we desperately needed him to do something and he has done nothing at all, probably it is too much for him now.
If anyone offers 30m-40m next summer, we should immediately accept it.
Long term view with no more short term fixes. I like it. This season is a write off. We will not get relegated. Until the summer decide on who to keep and who to sell and prepare exit scenarios to be done quickly in the summer. Then improve the team in the summer with right profiles (Tel for example was not a right profile). For this year competition wise put all our eggs in Europa League basket for this year we are also still in FA cup. If we win EL we get Champions League football for next year. If not no european football for one year which is also fine by me. Raise stamina, height and muscle in the team with correct players. Introduce more young players and let the team grow across next season.
I don't know if Rasmus will be good enough long term - at the moment I suspect not however we can't ignore the fact that right now the entire squad is completely devoid of confidence and that will show up in the strikers more than anywhere else where missing 1 chance could very well lose us the match
We're creating very little meaning we simply have to take any chance that comes our way - every miss is magnified, every short pass, every mistimed run it's all compounded with the nerves and pressure the team is under trying to learn this new system whilst losing every week - building confidence in this negative momentum is incredibly hard but Amorim has to find a way to lift the mood because it could get worse yet
Playing a single striker system needs a strong, single minded and generally experienced player to be able to cope with the demands - we don't have that profile anywhere in the club so we're having to make do with 2x prospect players we took a punt on
Aside from trying Garna through the middle (who I think is generally more headstrong but will likely struggle more with the physical) we don't have a choice but to persevere with Rasmus for the rest of the season and hope a purple patch arrives to carry us/him through. He's at least better than Zirk imo
We're creating very little meaning we simply have to take any chance that comes our way - every miss is magnified, every short pass, every mistimed run it's all compounded with the nerves and pressure the team is under trying to learn this new system whilst losing every week - building confidence in this negative momentum is incredibly hard but Amorim has to find a way to lift the mood because it could get worse yet
Playing a single striker system needs a strong, single minded and generally experienced player to be able to cope with the demands - we don't have that profile anywhere in the club so we're having to make do with 2x prospect players we took a punt on
Aside from trying Garna through the middle (who I think is generally more headstrong but will likely struggle more with the physical) we don't have a choice but to persevere with Rasmus for the rest of the season and hope a purple patch arrives to carry us/him through. He's at least better than Zirk imo
Our recruitment team for the past 10 years should be brought in for questioning and corruption check.
No way a sets of professional can get so many things wrong at such a high cost.
We could just blindly buy the player of the month players from Europe blindly and get better collection than our sets of dross
You'd think for anything above 50M due diligence and a complete set of scouted dossier would be available to not miss such a glaring weakness like bad first touch.
I could even boot the last year FM and come up with better buys
No way a sets of professional can get so many things wrong at such a high cost.
We could just blindly buy the player of the month players from Europe blindly and get better collection than our sets of dross
You'd think for anything above 50M due diligence and a complete set of scouted dossier would be available to not miss such a glaring weakness like bad first touch.
I could even boot the last year FM and come up with better buys
And here I was thinking myself a pro greentech kind of guy
His confidence looks absolutely shot to pieces at the moment which I don’t think his helping. He desperately needs a premier league goal!