Rashford | Villa | Loan with option to buy

[Catt]

Looks like he just woke up.

They couldn't be bothered finding a better picture?

 

[Gazza]

PSG just signed Khava and have Barcola who can play on the left. They have no space for him.

Anyway, I wish Rashford the best. I think people mocking his appearance are way out of line.

People shouldn't be mocking it, although I haven't seen much of that in this thread, rather people genuinely curious/concerned about what is going on with him. My mum doesn't watch football but she sent me an article about Rashford (she likes him) and commented how unhappy/unwell he looked.

 

[MiceOnMeth]

Or on the sauce. Not been playing much football recently. No need for early starts.

Probably living like Connor McGregor minus the spitting at people

 

[gulli_G]

They couldn't be bothered finding a better picture?

Looks like he came straight from one of his alleged and infamous nights out.

 

[steeeb]

Hope the cnut does good enough to get the 40m.

 

[Jed I. Knight]

The guy is completely delusional.

I'd love to see the likes of PSG come in for him though. He'd have to do well at Villa for that to be the case and that'd mean a much larger fee for us.

To be honest, just looking at his whole demeaner recently, he's finally become exactly like his mentor Lingard.

We don't get a larger fee. If anyone were willing to pay more than the agreed 40 million, Villa would activate the option to buy him and pocket the change.

 

[M16Red]

"As per The Athletic, United wanted Rashford to find a loan club willing to pay a significant proportion of his wages and then for him to forgo the rest.

If Rashford agreed, it would effectively take his wages completely off the club’s books for the remainder of the season.

However, Rashford rejected the request meaning United are still paying him around £75,000 per week during his loan spell."

75k a week is alot of money...

 

[GMoore23]

We don't get a larger fee. If anyone were willing to pay more than the agreed 40 million, Villa would activate the option to buy him and pocket the change.

I'm sure Villa can only sign him if agrees which doesn't look likely?

 

[Fugeeface]

It's inappropriate to ask him to forego his remaining payment. Can't fault him for that. He was effectively pushed out the door.

Similar to the contract dealings with De Gea. Very unprofessional stuff from the club.

We don't get a larger fee. If anyone were willing to pay more than the agreed 40 million, Villa would activate the option to buy him and pocket the change.

Is this even legal? Villa would have to register Rashford after buying him only to sell him to someone else. Is this allowed?

 

[VP89]

It's inappropriate to ask him to forego his remaining payment. Can't fault him for that. He was effectively pushed out the door.

Similar to the contract dealings with De Gea. Very unprofessional stuff from the club.

It's not unprofessional to push unprofessional players out the club. That's what competent management is about.

 

[DOTA]

It's inappropriate to ask him to forego his remaining payment. Can't fault him for that. He was effectively pushed out the door.

Yeah, very cheeky of us to try that one. I doubt it took him long to politely decline our request.

Is this even legal? Villa would have to register Rashford after buying him only to sell him to someone else. Is this allowed?

I really don't think it is, no.

 

[yeaherino]

If so, more likely prednisone instead of anabolic.

explains his lethargy

 

[Fugeeface]

It's not unprofessional to push unprofessional players out the club. That's what competent management is about.

Thats not the issue. The issue is professional behaviour towards the people under contract. We're lacking in that department.

 

[VP89]

Thats not the issue. The issue is professional behaviour towards the people under contract. We're lacking in that department.

There was nothing unprofessional in our behaviour.

 

[Hammondo]

Thats not the issue. The issue is professional behaviour towards the people under contract. We're lacking in that department.

What did we do wrong with Rashford?

 

[Gazautd18]

Looks like he came straight from one of his alleged and infamous nights out.

Missus said the other day looks like he had a fight.
Had me thinking about Amorim mentioning the way you treat your teammates.
Maybe that's why he's been dropped from the squad?
Hope he does well at Villa though so we can get some good dough for him.

 

[Jed I. Knight]

I'm sure Villa can only sign him if agrees which doesn't look likely?

It's already been discussed earlier in the thread, see this post by @giorno for example. Rashford has already agreed to the terms of the deal if Villa exercise their option to buy.

Is this even legal? Villa would have to register Rashford after buying him only to sell him to someone else. Is this allowed?

Why wouldn't it be? We've already agreed the terms if Villa want to purchase him. If he plays well enough that a bigger club is willing to pay in excess of that, of course Villa would make use of their option to buy and sell him on instead of letting United pocket the money. It's part of their potential upside for financing the bulk of Rashford's wages for a few months.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

There was nothing unprofessional in our behaviour.

Trying to weasel your way out of an agreed contract is highly unprofessional.

Right up there with the club doing De Gea dirty by withdrawing a contract offer.

I'd imagine most of our players are quiet quitting/phoning it in because of this competency.

 

[Amar__]

i mean, other than the fact he has the self-awareness of a fence post, how hard is it to say “i’m focused on my football and helping villa achieve their goals for the rest of the season,” rather than “welp, i’m only here for a short while.”

pretty obvious how it’s going to go. he thought he was bigger than united, so feck knows how he’s going to treat villa.

Yeah, I don't see how he is going to get any motivation from this move. This won't be good for him, or us, but at least in United's defence hardly any move for Rashford would be a good thing.

I think Ole definitely ruined him when he made him act like Messi on pitch, he was one of most pressing players in the league turned into someone who acts like he's won it all and will only run when the ball is close to him, that lasted too long and he thought he became bigger than the team.

 

[VP89]

Trying to weasel your way out of an agreed contract is highly unprofessional.

Right up there with the club doing De Gea dirty by withdrawing a contract offer.

I'd imagine most of our players are quiet quitting/phoning it in because of this competency.

No one weaseled out of anything.

They made it clear, sit at the club and do nothing or show you actually want to play football and accept a paycut. He was against that but it was more than fair on the club to take this approach with a chronically unprofessional dud. This is how well run businesses operate.

 

[DJ_21]

How wounded would we all be if he turns up for Villa and bangs then in every week. Yet couldn’t do it for his boyhood club

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

No one weaseled out of anything.

They made it clear, sit at the club and do nothing or show you actually want to play football and accept a paycut. He was against that but it was more than fair on the club to take this approach with a chronically unprofessional dud. This is how well run businesses operate.

We're a football club.

Asking someone to take a paycut when you agreed a contract with them is not appropriate and will impact performance of the rest of your playing staff negatively.

 

[Red in STL]

Yeah, I don't see how he is going to get any motivation from this move. This won't be good for him, or us, but at least in United's defence hardly any move for Rashford would be a good thing.

I think Ole definitely ruined him when he made him act like Messi on pitch, he was one of most pressing players in the league turned into someone who acts like he's won it all and will only run when the ball is close to him, that lasted too long and he thought he became bigger than the team.

Rashford ruined Rashford, not Ole, not ETH not Amorin

 

[VP89]

We're a football club.

Asking someone to take a paycut when you agreed a contract with them is not appropriate and will impact performance of the rest of your playing staff negatively.

We are a football club. Offering Rashford the chance to open his options by taking a paycut is not unreasonable. There was a taker, he refused.

We could have just did him in and made him rot without kicking a ball.

 

[Amar__]

Rashford ruined Rashford, not Ole, not ETH not Amorin

I agree with that too.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

"As per The Athletic, United wanted Rashford to find a loan club willing to pay a significant proportion of his wages and then for him to forgo the rest.

If Rashford agreed, it would effectively take his wages completely off the club’s books for the remainder of the season.

However, Rashford rejected the request meaning United are still paying him around £75,000 per week during his loan spell."

75k a week is alot of money...

Yeah, serious wedge. What a bizarre sequence of events (if true) “Any chance we could not pay you the money we agreed to pay you when we signed your contract?” Why the hell would they expect a difference answer to the one they got?!

 

[duffer]

There's only one appropriate response to being asked to take a paycut from a club owned by multiple billionaires.

 

[Rado_N]

Yeah, serious wedge. What a bizarre sequence of events (if true) “Any chance we could not pay you the money we agreed to pay you when we signed your contract?” Why the hell would they expect a difference answer to the one they got?!

“You want a chance to revive your career rather than never seeing a squad list for the remainder of your contract?”

Dunno, it’s a punt but some players might be willing to take the cut to try and get their career back on track. If he believed in himself he could see it as a short term measure, work his bollocks off until June and gain the attention of Europe’s big clubs where he might command big wages again on a long term deal.

Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that he wasn’t up for it though.

 

[Sandikan]

"As per The Athletic, United wanted Rashford to find a loan club willing to pay a significant proportion of his wages and then for him to forgo the rest.

If Rashford agreed, it would effectively take his wages completely off the club’s books for the remainder of the season.

However, Rashford rejected the request meaning United are still paying him around £75,000 per week during his loan spell."

75k a week is alot of money...

Yes but it comes down to a choice of
300 or so k a week for next to no output or
75k a week for nothing.

Had to be the latter unfortunately.

It says it all that we've had to ship him out when we have the worst attack we've had in 30+ years.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

We are a football club. Offering Rashford the chance to open his options by taking a paycut is not unreasonable. There was a taker, he refused.

We could have just did him in and made him rot without kicking a ball.

It seems inappropriate when you're operating under agreed terms.

Letting him rot is a losing situation for the club.

 

[VP89]

It seems inappropriate when you're operating under agreed terms.

Letting him rot is a losing situation for the club.

We weren't breaking any clauses. There's nothing inappropriate from it, it's standard practise at many workplaces.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

We weren't breaking any clauses. There's nothing inappropriate from it, it's standard practise at many workplaces.

Oh it's a very corporate approach, definitely.

 

[VP89]

Oh it's a very corporate approach, definitely.

Yes, and overdue to fix the deadwood.
Nothing unprofessional about it.

 

[Fugeeface]

There was nothing unprofessional in our behaviour.

Asking a player under contract to forego part of his salary is not appropriate behaviour.

Similar to the way De Gea was handled in the end. I'm not sure in what field this is considered appropriate.

It's not classy, it's not respectful and it looks bad for a club of our stature.

What did we do wrong with Rashford?

See above.

Why wouldn't it be? We've already agreed the terms if Villa want to purchase him. If he plays well enough that a bigger club is willing to pay in excess of that, of course Villa would make use of their option to buy and sell him on instead of letting United pocket the money. It's part of their potential upside for financing the bulk of Rashford's wages for a few months.

I don't believe that it is legal to buy players and sell them on immediately, while the player has not played for them.

Why would Villa even consider that when he plays well for them?

 

[Xeque_279]

I'd love to see the likes of PSG come in for him though. He'd have to do well at Villa for that to be the case and that'd mean a much larger fee for us.

100% agree.. hopefully they overpay for him, like £60-70m. Would help us out tremendously

We won't get anything extra though, if there's more demand for him Villa will just exercise their clause and then sell him to the highest bidder.

 

[Xeque_279]

I don't believe that it is legal to buy players and sell them on immediately, while the player has not played for them.

Yes they can and it has been done before. They won't be officially registering him, that is anyway done at the end of the window.

Why would Villa even consider that when he plays well for them?

Same reason they sold Duran. Money. There's also the risk of Rashford not having the same motivation.

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

With the exception of Tevez, I wish all former United players well. I hope he shine for them. But of course not when we play them.

Even Di Maria?

 

[D. Grayson]

He's just escaped from Anorim's Man United. Takes a while to get the recover.

The Luke Shawshank Redemption.

 

[FrankWhite]

Asking a player under contract to forego part of his salary is not appropriate behaviour.

Similar to the way De Gea was handled in the end. I'm not sure in what field this is considered appropriate.

It's not classy, it's not respectful and it looks bad for a club of our stature.



See above.



I don't believe that it is legal to buy players and sell them on immediately, while the player has not played for them.

Why would Villa even consider that when he plays well for them?

I don't think this is as cut and dry as it's being made out.
I think it depends on who's instigating the breakup.
Paying 300k a week to an employee who refuses to work for you, would rather work for another employer but expects you to make up the delta in wages, is not something any employer should be agreeing to, in any walks of life.

On the other hand, if it's the employer pushing out an employee under contract for 300k a week, that's different. The employee would be absolutely right to expect the full wage as per their contract even if it means the employer having to pay the difference.

I think this is why we had both camps trying to use the media to control the narrative. E.g. Amorim claiming he wants to keep Rashford and Rashford's camp claiming he has not issues with Amorim.

Ultimately, I think this is the best compromise for everyone.

 

[Dans]

Saw this earlier. He's a Complete and utter deluded Cxxx. Like I said in the other thread. He actually thinks he's worth his wages and hasn't got a single ounce of self awareness. Tossing it off for 2 years and going on the piss and ringing in sick he doesn't think he's done anything wrong at all and probably thinks he's been victimised by all his previous managers and fans.

Him being home grown and loving the club is obviously complete bullshit and he can fecking do one.
I hope he does just enough for us to get the 40m and Villa sell him to whoever and he fails miserably and the whole place rips him to shreds.
Disgusting.

If he doesn’t do well at Villa, his career could be effectively over. He’ll earn for the reminder of his contract but I can’t see him playing if he can’t get a move.