He's played some good games, some mediocre games and some bad games. He's been decent. Is decent enough for a 300k per week contract?
Rashford - New contract or sell?
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Played on the right today because we literally only had Elanga or Pellestri to play there instead.
The lad doesn't get a break from the boo boys on here. It's shameful. He's scored 5 more goals than anyone else in the team so far.
The lad doesn't get a break from the boo boys on here. It's shameful. He's scored 5 more goals than anyone else in the team so far.
Would love for him to stay, but I don't think he's worth the money he's on and, rightly, he's not gunna accept a paycut. We basically fecked ourselves with his last contract.
Yeah exactly, you can rate the guy and still think that contract was bloody stupid, which it was. As was Lingard's, Jones' and various others. Mata's £150k for his bimonthly jog about etc
Someone, either earlier in this thread or one of the others, compared him to other similar players. They started off suggesting he was overpaid and then ended up concluding we should probably be paying him £300k. He’s currently on quite a low salary compared to the likes of Sancho, Sterling or Sane.
I cant think of anyone as inconsistent as him benchmarked so high as a player.
Just because some other players are over paid doesn't mean we should double down on Rashford.
That being said, if we had the opportunity to keep him on his current deal I'd probably say we should take it.
Yeah that's exactly it, the best paid players are usually consistent performers. Sancho hasn't been good for us but he was remarkably consistent in the Bundesliga. Sterling was very consistent for City. It's really simple, until Rashford maintains peak form for 80% of the season he is not worth the contract he's on. Demarai Gray looks pretty bloody good on occasion. I rate Rashford higher than Grey for sure but the point still stands. Andros Townsend looked like a world class player in some matches. We need players who do that week in week out over a whole season. I hope Marcus can get there under ETH but it's by no means a given and the last contract was little more than a stupid punt.
They are paid the going rate though, so yes we should pay Rashford the same if we want to keep him. Otherwise, we are paying a £100 million transfer fee to replace him AND paying that wage.
Why shouldn't he be able to play on the right?
I don't see any reason other than a lack of effort and application for a professional footballer, particularly a winger being able to put in a decent performance on either wing.
To add that I think ETH specifically addressed the need for contracts to be 'earned' from hereon in, a clear nod to the idiocy that has been taking place in recent times.
Sterling hasn't been consistent for City for almost 2 years.
But what if that player is better..? Its not like we wouldn't get a pretty penny for Rashford.
He's just completely uncomfortable there and you can see it in almost every aspect of his play.
Even in his least consistent spells he was still more consistent than Rashford. Granted he was playing under much better management so it's understandable, contract point still holds though.
I actually think Rashford is the physical embodiment United post SAF. Most of the essential parts are there but you genuinely don’t know what you are going to get. Great at times, utterly awful at others. His showing so far this season almost mirrors that of the team as a whole.
I think the weight of expectation is a burden for both at times.
I think the weight of expectation is a burden for both at times.
He's naturally right footed, playing right wing shouldn't be a problem for him. It's just a lack of effort, application and undertanding of the game on his part that prevents it.
I mean you can easily stat pad in a great team. Look at Kean for instance absolute dogshit of a striker yet scored 19 goals for PSG 2 seasons ago.
I dunno if you're preaching to the choir here because I think Rashford has a higher ceiling than Sterling sure, but he needs to show it week in week out for majority of a season.
Think that's too simplistic. He's a limited footballer, that's all.
That sounds like slating him (I'm not). What he's good at, he's really good at. He's just limited is all. The moment he was ridiculously offside summed it up perfectly for me. Wouldn't have happened if he was on the left, but its like he doesn't even know how to position his body.
Sterling is one of the worlds best wingers. Rashford I agree has greater potential than him (and has generally matched his output playing for a worse team over the last few years). Why should we not pay Rashford the £300k Sterling is apparently earning?
No, over recent seasons Rashford was categorically worse. He's always capable of a goal and an assist, but he's been an absolute liability in terms of retaining possession, defensively and generally disrupting a load of promising attacking situations.
I'd like to see a goal to game ratio of all United players with more than 100 goals, just to see if anyone with a better ratio than Rashford has received as little support from the fans than him.
That's kind of what I mean about him not understanding the game and his role on the right. He doesn't apply himself properly to even want understand it. Every time he plays there, it's the same, he doesn't even want to try.
Which is why they (rightfully) moved him on.
Meanwhile we have poets on here eulogising our great youth product who apparently was a monster at some point recently where we barely made CL in consecutive years and lost before (or earlier) in the CL.
Truly the stuff RAWK is made of
How much money does he need to get paid for you to judge he's fairly supported? Or maybe we should sponsor another book of his and send him off on a holiday for half a season, so he can get back in the right headspace?
You look at the current economic conditions worldwide and then we have people on here crying how little support the poor little millionaire gets. Bloody hell
Because it's not his position. He's not really strong with his left foot so he'd basically have to play on the right to supply crosses which is also not really his game.
He's good off the left as he can cut inside and shoot. Obviously a threat in behind too with pace.
Why should he be able to play there? Was David Beckham good on the left wing? Was Giggs good on the right?
Comparing Giggs and Beckham to Rashford is like comparing Ed Sheeran to Leonard Cohen. Jeez.
Wasn't comparing them in ability but you knew that didn't you? Didn't stop a stupid response.
Also that makes no sense either. If they are so much better (and they both were) surely they could play those other roles.
Backfired a bit that one didn't it? Hahaha
Giggs did play on the right a fair few times. Beckham not to my knowledge on the left.
Was Giggs as good on the right? No, he definitely was not. Did he completely break down and look like he wasn't that interested and didn't even understand the offside rule? Again, no.
Also they both could play central midfield roles to a very decent standard.
Beckham was a CM/AM till his early 20s before Fergie started playing him as a RM
I'm well aware of that. Could have been an excellent midfielder.
Rashford is one of only 22 players to score more than 100 goals in the club's history. His strike ratio is understandably low given he's still not at his peak, has been part of one of the most poor United squads in decades and most importantly - has yet to prove he can consistently deliver a better output. Still, he's almost on par with Ole and almost twice as effective as Giggs (simply in terms of ratio, of course).
| Rank | Player Name | Nationality | Years at Club | Total Apps | Total Goals | Strike Ratio Goals/Games |
| 22 | Rashford, Marcus | England | 2016-Present* | 320 | 100 | 0.313 |
| 1 | Rooney, Wayne | England | 2004-2017 | 559 | 253 | 0.453 |
| 14 | Ronaldo, Cristiano | Portugal | 2003-2009, 2021-Present* | 346 | 145 | 0.419 |
| 11 | van Nistelrooy, Ruud | Holland | 2001-2006 | 219 | 150 | 0.685 |
| 17 | Solskjaer, Ole-Gunnar | Norway | 1996-2007 | 366 | 126 | 0.344 |
| 10 | Scholes, Paul | England | 1994-2011, 2012-2013 | 718 | 155 | 0.216 |
| 18 | Cole, Andrew | England | 1994-2002 | 275 | 121 | 0.44 |
| 8 | Giggs, Ryan | Wales | 1991-2014 | 963 | 168 | 0.174 |
| 16 | McClair, Brian | Scotland | 1987-1998 | 471 | 127 | 0.27 |
| 9 | Hughes, Mark | Wales | 1983-1986, 1988-1995 | 467 | 163 | 0.349 |
| 6 | Best, George | Northern Ireland | 1963-1974 | 470 | 179 | 0.381 |
| 3 | Law, Denis | Scotland | 1962-1973 | 404 | 237 | 0.587 |
| 13 | Herd, David | Scotland | 1961-1968 | 265 | 145 | 0.547 |
| 2 | Charlton, Bobby | England | 1956-1973 | 758 | 249 | 0.328 |
| 5 | Viollet, Dennis | England | 1952-1962 | 293 | 179 | 0.611 |
| 15 | Taylor, Tommy | England | 1952-1958 | 191 | 131 | 0.686 |
| 4 | Rowley, Jack | England | 1937-1955 | 424 | 211 | 0.498 |
| 12 | Pearson, Stan | England | 1937-1946 | 343 | 148 | 0.431 |
| 7 | Spence, Joe | England | 1919-1933 | 510 | 168 | 0.329 |
| 21 | Wall, George | England | 1906-1919 | 319 | 100 | 0.313 |
| 19 | Turnbull, Sandy | Scotland | 1906-1915 | 247 | 101 | 0.409 |
| 20 | Cassidy, Joe | Scotland | 1893, 1895-1900 | 174 | 100 | 0.575 |
Rooney's City saga and declining late years gathered a lot of flak, but I do not know of anyone else from the list in the Premier League era (Ronaldo, RVN, Ole, Scholes, Cole, Giggs, McClair and Hughes) receiving as much vitriol as Rashford. It's simply bizarre to hold him stingently accountable for wages that the club can afford to and have chosen to hand out to him and ignore everything else.
It's not Tier A or bust. By all means, replace him in the starting lineup with someone more consistent or reliable, if you can. But he is a United player, he has his clear strengths, and he is good enough to always have something to contribute, even as a squad player. Imagine if Fergie had binned Ole instead of using him as a super sub.
Does money warrant or excuse United players being abused the most in the league? United can and does pay players more wages than other clubs - pick your qualms with the employer and the nature of the market, not the employee.
So the club makes a series of poor decisions which leave no choice but to play Rashford through injury week in week out worsening his physical condition, and his own 'fans'
- blame him for not performing through the long term injury
- blame him for being unavailable during the time he takes off undergo surgery and recover
- label the time he takes off as a half-season holiday
- abuse the feck out of him for the club's mistakes along with his own
- abuse him further for being not being 'strong' enough to deal with the abuse by using his millions
- abuse him even further for having the audacity to speak out about the abuse he was getting
There's criticizing a player for not doing enough, and then there's this. Classic victim-blaming.
He's not worth the wage he's on. He's certainly not worth giving a pay rise. I'm pretty sure everyone was in agreement that our massively inflated wage bill was a problem and needs resolving. Offer him reduced wages and test his loyalty. If he thinks another club will match or better what he's on now and money means more to him than playing at United, good luck to him. If not then great, he extends and everyone's happy.
Same needs to happen with Sancho whenever his contract is close to expiring. Our wage bill should be around 5th or 6th highest in the league to reflect the quality. None of our players should be close to the highest paid as none of them are close to being the best in the league.
Same needs to happen with Sancho whenever his contract is close to expiring. Our wage bill should be around 5th or 6th highest in the league to reflect the quality. None of our players should be close to the highest paid as none of them are close to being the best in the league.
This!
So I think it's pretty shameful to have a go at Marcus all the time. He's not a right sided player.
He is our leading scorer by 5 goals though this season. Maybe if some of the other forwards were performing we'd be alright.
He is not a 250k/week player. He is not even a 200k/week player. He is far, far too limited to ever be that. Offering him more is pure madness, but on par for the course in this club. His contract should be performance based. If he doesn't like it - get rid. Time to end this charade.
I could be wrong but I'm sure wage expenditure went up when the last financial figures were announced and that's with Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Matic etc leaving in summer. Something isn't right.
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