Come off it man, miles stronger. And now you're jumping through hoops to try and convince yourself of something you know aint true. There is absolutely no way Mourinho would play Mbappe currently as his main striker.
Rashford is as good as Mbappé...
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Come off it man, miles stronger. And now you're jumping through hoops to try and convince yourself of something you know aint true. There is absolutely no way Mourinho would play Mbappe currently as his main striker.
Well of course in the future anything can happen, Rashford could be the best striker in the world and Mbappe could be playing in 2nd division for whatever reasons, but the OP said Rashford IS as good as Mbappe
We all are excited to see both progress, but honestly only United fans and people who never watch Mbappe play will say at the moment Rashford is as good as Mbappe
Ah, meaningless attempts at insults in the morning, nothings better
Jose isn't anywhere close to being as one dimensional as you think he is. Look, who knew he had a thing for a defensively limited flair midifielder? what about his consistent usage of a luxury player at Madrid, to him converting fullbacks into midfielders at Inter. Either you don't rate Mbappe all that much or you don't understand his attributes. You making him sound like some weak kid who can't hold his own against defenders when we've seen him throw his weight around the Juve defence. I mean you actually thing Milito was some powerful unit or even Benzema for that matter of fact. Truth is we don't know for sure but i'd be shocked if any manager worth his salt chose Lukaku over Mbappe.
Disagree, Mou's main striker always fits a certain mold - Drogba, Milito, Lukaku, Costa, Benzema, Ibra. And yes Milito/Benzema are v strong on the ball.
Not saying Mbappe couldn't be successful but it's logical to think Mou would see him playing on either side of a focal CF.
Some weird comments on Mbappe here. He'd be played on the left or right, not replace Lukaku as our main striker. Heck, even Mbappe is played along with a proper centre forward so that he isn't the focal point and doesn't have the responsibility of being the target man. At monaco Falcao played that role. And PSG, Cavani plays that role. Yet at United 18 year old Mbappe is supposed to be our lead striker? Not a chance.
Absolutely. Plus it takes pressure off the likes of Mbappe and Rashford as well as helps their game big time to play along with such players.
And Mbappé's initial position is left winger/inside forward.
Eh? He made his name playing a defensively limited no flair goalscoring midfielder on Lampard.
You can remain shocked for no apparent reason but managers don't just compare names. It's as much about balance as anything else. Lukaku gives us things Mbappe doesn't have visa versa. He'd play on the wing for us not in place of Lukaku.
Exactly. Why on earth would we have signed him and stuck him in the middle? Maybe he develops his game to become a centre forward but it appears some think this is some game where you stick anyone anywhere. Mbappe vs Lukaku, Mbappe wins! Nope. Teams are built with care and attention. Jose wanted a strong CF that's why we went for Lukaku and Morata. If we even hypothetically went for Mbappe it would be as a left sided forward.
On the topic of left sided forwards I'm actually very happy with the ones we have. Although noone would say no to a top talent like Mbappe who can play off both sides.
Mbappe edges it for me. He looks more complete, better decisions and more comfortable. Saying that rashford is not far behind. He has already improved massively this season. For him its about taking that palace performance and doing it against madrid, city, chelsea etc and consistently. I actually think martial is better than both, especislly based on this year's form. He has so much talent and how he develops in the future will br interesting.
Well there's an actual manager currently choosing Cavani over Mbappe so how do you answer that @RooneyLegend ?
Maybe cause it makes more sense to have them both playing rather than leaving one out?
Bizarre that anyone would even argue it, although I suspect the poster is mainly doing it in order to back up his daft "if Rashford was as good as Mbappe, we wouldn't have bought Lukaku" comment. I'm sure poster knows full well that if Mbappe was at United now, he'd be playing in Rashford's position.
Well Cavani played a shit tonne at wing forward during Zlatan's time, so there you go, just move him out there.
Mbappe is better in those positions than Cavani.
They lose much less from his game than they lose from Cavani when he's out there trying things he can't do due to Cavani being limited. What would be the point of getting the best out of Mbappe and then have a mediocre Cavani?
It's pretty simple if you think of it, we bought Lukaku cause our main striker got injured and throughout the season none of our other strikers showed they were up to the task. Rashford and the others had terrible numbers in front of goal. IMO if we had Mbappe here last season he'd have put the ball in the back of the net enough for us not to sign Lukaku.
So he would have played instead of Zlatan? is that what you insinuating now @RooneyLegend ?
Or, would he, like the others, have been given extremely limited time in that position due to Mourinho's preference of a "proper" number 9 who was banging in goals left right and centre. to even show that he could put the ball in the back of the net? Once again, we both know the answer is the latter.
Neither Martial nor Rashford were truly given an opportunity to show anything as a forward as Zlatan was numero uno and only got injured a matter of weeks before the end of the season on 21-apr 2017.
Zlatan played for PSG, came to EPL and was a beast. cream rises to the top. Mbappe played against ENGLAND and terrorised us. He also terrorised the champions league and still is doing so (Bayern) so it is clear why he is rated highly. Any player who shines brighter in the champions league is the real deal.
To be fair though, I think most England fans now agree that Martial is our most exciting player. For United he's scored in massive games vs. Arsenal, the Manchester derby, vs. Chelsea.
So yeah, the cream rises to the top, agreed, but to make out Mbappe has been doing things Rashford hasn't is a bit odd imo.
its more his general play. much more refined, mature, decision making and less clumsy. he looks calm, confident and in control.
No, he would have hung around and when Ibra got injured and would've been good enough for us not to sign Lukaku. We played enough games after Ibra got injured to realize the goals had dried up without him, neither of our youngsters looked up to the task so we hit the market for someone that is. Ibra missed 10 of our last 12 league matches, and we struggled for goals despite having either Martial or Rashford up top. We struggled enough for us to go make a huge outlay on a striker. if we hadn't struggled(as i think would've been the case) i'm confident Mou wouldn't have got us a new striker.
Wait just a minute @RooneyLegend. What the hell are those stats? Just a load of nonsense.
April 4th: United 1 - 1 Everton: Ibra started and scored.
April 9th: Sunderland 0 - 3 United: Ibra started and scored.
April 16th: United 2 - 0 Chelsea: Rashford started and scored.
Ibra then got injured on the 20th.
April 23rd: Burnley 0 - 2 United. Martial started and scored.
April 27th: City 0 - 0 United. Rashford & Martial started
April 30th: Swansea 1 - 1 United. Rashford & Martial started
At this point we threw the league as you know full well, so where did the goals dry up, at City away?... well yeah, they often do for many teams. Or did Mourinho base his entire decision on one away game vs. Swansea? It's laughable mate.
We played four further Premier League games (so 7 in total after Ibras injury) after the Swansea game, all with weakened teams because we knew the league had gone and Mourinho wanted his main men ready for the final. Rashford therefore didn't start another PL game, he did however score the winning goal in the Europa League semi final away leg and had a scintilating assist to Fellaini for our goal in the home leg.
Rashford ended the season like this.
Start v Chelsea - top goal, sensational performance
Start v City away - no goal or assist.
Start v Swansea away - no goal or assist.
Start in EL semi away - great goal, great performance
Start in EL semi home - great assist, good performance
Start in EL final - no goal or assist.
So Mbappe would have blown the above away would he in those 6 games? feck me.
Actually, many have seen the game to begin with, and for certain at least the highlights (otherwise, I wouldn't consider you a football fan). And it's pretty relevant to the conversation had because it's coming from well-respected players (which I value a bit more than my or other's opinions on here, I'm sorry to say), including a Manchester United fan; now whether you can see that or not is irrelevant.
Also, I don't need an excuse to post what I want to post if it's apropos with the topic.
Back to the topic at hand,
One thing I'm fairly certain about that bodes well for both players is that they're both extremely hard-worker, so unless injuries rob them of their potential, I can see them really getting the most out of their potential over their careers. Everything I read coming from Rashford screams professional and driven like nobody's business. The competition with Martial is only going to speed up the results because he's under a constant challenge by another brilliant player who, right now at least, would be a better comparison to Mbappe, than Marcus since Martial has at least one undeniable attribute superior to Kylian in his dribbling. However, Martial doesn't strike me (yet) as someone who is a hard-worker like the other two, it's been a criticism of his from his early days since Les Ulis. He seems to be shaking out of that, but let's see how he plays once/if he nails a starting role and becomes comfortable again. I don't have that worry with Marcus or Kylian.
You not considering someone a football fan doesn't disqualify anyone from being a football fan, especially if it's based on something so simple as having watched one specific players highlights in one specific game, within your non-given time-frame.
You posting a video that's blurred out with people talking, where they are including examples from within the video that we cannot see, and then excuse it as "everyone should have seen it anyway" - instead of just finding a compilation that shows the highlights and quoting the discussion seems more like a desperate way of brushing over that the video itself wasn't watchable.
But hey, I'm not shocked.
These days people are more interested in "winning a discussion" rather than getting their side out there properly.
You honestly think there's a club out there that would make Rashford one of the most expensive players ever?
Ibra missed the match vs Middlesbrough for the ban, no goal from Rashford and he started at center forward.
Ibra missed the match vs WBA still for the ban, Rashford started up top, no goal again.
Ibra basically missed the chelsea match and Rashford scored.
Ibra then started missing games due to injury vs Swansea, 0 goals registered by either of our youngsters. Rashford started up top.
Ibra missed the city game, both Rashford and martial started, 0 goals again.
Ibra missed the arsenal matches, Martial this time started up top, no goals to be talked about again.
Neither started uptop vs spurs, Martial started wide, no goals to be talked about from him.
Neither started uptop vs soton, martial started wide, no goals from him.
Neither played vs palace on the last day.
You covered the end of the EL. Now as you can see no goals from our youngsters is a common theme so we end up purchasing a very expensive striker.
It doesn't have to be close to Mbappe's. The overarching point is that players who perform well in one year aren't guaranteed to do so in subsequent years, and in some cases, they actually regress significantly and eventually fizzle out.
Rashford isn't as good as Mbappe, he is BETTER than Mbappe. He has the biggest work rate I have ever seen in a teenager. Not even young C.Ronaldo matched that. As for people mentioning Mbappe scored goals in CL last season already, well, Rashford was also decisive in the competition he was playing, stepped up against Anderlecht and Celta when nobody else was up for it. In the Premier league Rashford has ALWAYS delivered in the big games, whether it is by scoring or by creating chances for his teammates. With Mbappe I get the feeling when he doesn't score his contribuition isn't as big as Rashford's.
Like against Bayern recently. Just 2 asists. Not quite like 2 assists against Palace, eh?
Rashford has had plenty of good games. He's incredibly good for his age. Not at Mbappe's level in my opinion, but no one knows how players will develop so he could in fact have the better career.Typical ridiculous knee jerk reaction on the Cafe. Rashford has one good game against the worst team in the league and now he's as good as Mbappe.
Phil Jones is the new Franco Baresi, there I said it.
Mbappe is a regular in a better side with the sky high wage. I think his career is pretty safe as he will start every match in the league and CL. Rashford isn't guarenteed to play and I don't think is starting CL games. you need games and belief. If we sign as LW (Perisic) would Rashford play week in week out?
Everybody knows Bayern was a tactical mess in that game and has been getting worse over time. Ancelotti absolutely lost control of that dressing room, they were in a similar situation to United with Moyes. That game shouldn't be used as an argument in my point of view.
they were still beating teams 3 and 4-0
No one has a clue about what the form of either player will be in 3+ years though. That's my point. Being naturally more talented (as Mbappe is) might mean nothing in terms of development.
Football is a lottery sometimes.
I believe this debate needs to be a three way debate with Martial also a part of it.
I believe this debate needs to be a three way debate with Martial also a part of it.
Squawka doesn't even have a picture for Mbappe, what a nothing player.
You are trying too hard
As far as motivation goes. You could see the Bayern players were desperate for Ancelotti to leave and that resulted in not a 100% focused game. Bottom line: Mbappe would likely have a hard time against the best Bayern possible.
I believe this debate needs to be a three way debate with Martial also a part of it.
This should really be the end of the Martial v Rashford debate. It won’t be though, some people can’t accept the facts.
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