Rashford considering his future...

Is Rashford world class? I don’t believe he is.
Do MUFC want to pay obscene wages to average players? They shouldn’t.
Would any team pay good money for Rashford? No chance.
I see a problem.
 
Giggsy13 said:
The fickle brigade wanting to sell Rashford can do one and feck right off. Get him under a proper manager and we’ll see the best of him again.
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It's been a long time since he's been anything more than terrible.

I love Rashford but he's been fecking appalling for a while now.
 
I see some fans are still willing to put up with shite. Then they'll wonder why we aren't challenging, its because we aren't ruthless enough and as a result have too many passengers.

Either accept mid table finish or jettison the shite. Yes he is shite, out of form doesn't last years.
 
He’s made playing for us look painful for far too long. Scores a goal and does that sulky celebration like yeah so what and then goes back to walking around. You can’t tell me that doesn’t rub off on the other players. Where’s the fire? Martial too and I think Greenwood for all his technique was/is headed the same way. What is that makes this happen to our players? We give them huge money, the biggest crowd in the country to play in front of and a hundred million worth of signings every year to play with. The only way is down for 99% of them so why not play with some pride and aggression? We all know there are problems behind the scenes but surely in the meantime on match day everyone should be fighting for their place and their futures instead of walking around with the look what I have to put up with attitude.
 
The problem is not whether he can recapture form or still has it. At Page 60 i think we've lost focus. It's about the attitude. This whole thread started based on the Fab tweet which seemingly suggested Rashford or his team are whinging about playing time and role in the squad when he does not deserve to start. If Fab is getting his info from Rashford's team and is threatening to leave for being dropped, that is much more emblematic of a really bad squad culture at the club and something we should be seeking to move on from. Talking about current or this seasons form is surface level. What we should be debating is whether we move players like Rashford on because they seemingly have no clue that bad form should come with consequences. And this is not aimed at just rashford, it seems to be a whole squad problem.
 
Giggsy13 said:
The fickle brigade wanting to sell Rashford can do one and feck right off. Get him under a proper manager and we’ll see the best of him again.
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Wouldn't sell him but you couldn't pick a worse time to slag critics if you tried. He has looked Martial out there in effort, has been heavily implied to be the leaker everyone was after and is making threats to leave after a brutal period where the coach tried and tried to make it work but couldn't because of just how bad he played. Almost literally comes on and spends every other touch losing the ball. Can you imagine if this was Pogba or even Lingard doing all three? His period of form was almost a year ago. This credit in the bank would be long depleted. A whole calendar year is quite a generous time frame to allege recency bias. We would all love to have 2020 Ronaldo, Bruno, Martial, Sancho and everyone.

People expecting a system manager to fix poor system players also need to keep expectations modest. Rash is passing to defenders in RR's one touch system and ETH's system makes RR's look like A levels to rocket science. No one knows the future I guess so let's wait and see what happens.
 
Giggsy13 said:
After you're done here are you going to moan about Bruno and his new contract too?

Rashford is a fairly productive and good player when on form. We don't need world class players in every position to have a team challenging for the title. Having academy players like Rashford in the squad is vitally important to United as a club, and is evidenced by some of our great teams of the past where academy players who bled for the club would on occasion outshine the world class talent around them. Darren Fletcher who was maligned by many in his early years comes to mind.

Rashford's contributions sadly get watered down since we are in a down period, but it doesn't preclude the fact that he is actually a player good enough to play for United despite the short memories of many on here. Selling him is completely foolish and shortsighted.
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Yes, I could moan about a lot of the contracts given out here actually. CHong has been given a contract for another season to take him to 23 despite never here or on loan looking like a player that will break through and with us aready having several good young wide players. Fernandes despite being poor fora good year now has been given a lucrative contract that takes him well in to his thirties. We have seen the likes of Mata, Matic, JOnes, YOung all in recent years given contract extensions despite being way past there best or contributign litttle then we have players holding big value we allow to run down there conracts in Pogba that we have spent an absolute fortune on and allowed to leave for free when they have been sold a long time ago.

All of these new contracts handed out despite poor performances on the whole are a very big reason why we have a squad of 36 players that is bloated and bloated with a lot of players past there best, with poor attitudes, not good enough or just not being the star players we hope they would be......and subsequently because of these big wages, they are hard to move on if we want to.

I appreciate the point you are makign regarding acadamy players, but again dont agree in the case of Rashford. Players liek Fletcher, even McTominay, OShea, Brown, Butt, Evans.......these squad players that give there all and have value in certain games, love the club and have loyalty and understand they wont play week in week out and wotn complain about playing 20-25 games a season are invaluable to a squad. But we are talking about a star player who has a lot of transfer value, who is making noise through somebody abuot beig unhappy and is complaining about a lack of game time. As I said in the first place, Rashford is a talented player, he has had good spells but his career early on mirrored Matials for instance, ithasnt really had consistent levels of start performance the whole time here, didnt find his ppsotion for a long time, there are lots of players better than him in my opinion and the alst season or so he has been awful and looks unhappy and isnt contributing effort on the pitch even. If he does want to leave and he does hold a value of £60m or so where we already have SAncho, we have back up in ELanga, we have other youngsters making there way through, why should we be bothered being blunt if he wishes to go and why on earth would it be foolish cashing in on him?
 
Can't believe I'm saying this but Rashford deserves a long term deal with the club. He knows where his bread is buttered and will not easily take the club for granted.
My only issue is his elevated status and that applies to this whole squad. I won't blame it on him but the club trying to suck every penny out of the lads through market and ignoring what the true responsibility of a footballer is. If I were one of them my image rights will have to be compensated adequately. For his following with youngsters, Rashford deserves the money he earns.
Our next group have to managed properly or we will continue arguing off field matters.
 
jesperjaap said:
Yes, I could moan about a lot of the contracts given out here actually. CHong has been given a contract for another season to take him to 23 despite never here or on loan looking like a player that will break through and with us aready having several good young wide players. Fernandes despite being poor fora good year now has been given a lucrative contract that takes him well in to his thirties. We have seen the likes of Mata, Matic, JOnes, YOung all in recent years given contract extensions despite being way past there best or contributign litttle then we have players holding big value we allow to run down there conracts in Pogba that we have spent an absolute fortune on and allowed to leave for free when they have been sold a long time ago.

All of these new contracts handed out despite poor performances on the whole are a very big reason why we have a squad of 36 players that is bloated and bloated with a lot of players past there best, with poor attitudes, not good enough or just not being the star players we hope they would be......and subsequently because of these big wages, they are hard to move on if we want to.

I appreciate the point you are makign regarding acadamy players, but again dont agree in the case of Rashford. Players liek Fletcher, even McTominay, OShea, Brown, Butt, Evans.......these squad players that give there all and have value in certain games, love the club and have loyalty and understand they wont play week in week out and wotn complain about playing 20-25 games a season are invaluable to a squad. But we are talking about a star player who has a lot of transfer value, who is making noise through somebody abuot beig unhappy and is complaining about a lack of game time. As I said in the first place, Rashford is a talented player, he has had good spells but his career early on mirrored Matials for instance, ithasnt really had consistent levels of start performance the whole time here, didnt find his ppsotion for a long time, there are lots of players better than him in my opinion and the alst season or so he has been awful and looks unhappy and isnt contributing effort on the pitch even. If he does want to leave and he does hold a value of £60m or so where we already have SAncho, we have back up in ELanga, we have other youngsters making there way through, why should we be bothered being blunt if he wishes to go and why on earth would it be foolish cashing in on him?
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Complaining about Chong's contract being extended is not comparable to Jones or Matic getting a new contract. Completely different circumstances. Also, not comparable to Bruno.
 
Don't renew him, let him fight for his contract renewal. If he doesn't perform let the contract run out, if he's picked by another club then so be it.

Currently he's not worth even half of the wages he's on
 
I don’t understand, apprently he does well in training and such, as soon as he steps on the pitch its like his desire just drops to 0 he absolutely does not care
 
L1nk said:
I don’t understand, apprently he does well in training and such, as soon as he steps on the pitch its like his desire just drops to 0 he absolutely does not care
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He was isolated when he came on, probably would have gotten the winner if not tackled by Elanga. Not sure where you get he looked like he didn’t care from?
 
If the promise of a new contract couldn't inspire him, I'm not sure what will.

The absolute definition of 'out of sorts'.
 
Forgetting all about anything he does off the field and regardless of it, he just shouldn't get a new contract just like any player who is not competing at the level at which they are paid should get one. Seems pretty obvious why we have a bloated squad full of chronic, extremely wealthy underachievers. Someone with some sense needs to take over recruitment and contracts at some point or this madness will just go on for potentially decades.
 
I hope someone can clear this for me. I just saw he is currently on the same salary as Salah and Kane??? :eek: This has to be some kind of mistake, right?
 
He should be considering a career change. If i performed the way he does I’d have got at least one written warning by now
 
In the paper Man United squad is one the best in europe. None of those players are awful as many of you think.
 
Telsim said:
I hope someone can clear this for me. I just saw he is currently on the same salary as Salah and Kane??? :eek: This has to be some kind of mistake, right?
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The mistake is called Ed Woodward 'managing' a football club.
 
It is actually us who should consider his future. Time to change the power relations.
But i felt Rashy tried harder yday than before so lets see
 
Charles Miller said:
In the paper Man United squad is one the best in europe. None of those players are awful as many of you think.
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I think the "on paper" argument needs to die a quick death already. It's about as meaningless as it gets when analysing the quality of a team
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
Cash in while he still has some value. Won’t be long before everyone else catches on that his ‘out of sorts’ is just his level now.
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This
We'll have another Lingard on our hands if we keep him on. Even at his very best he wasn't world class and wouldn't have gotten anywhere near City or Pool's standard.

But there is absolutely no way we'd sell him because the Nevilles and Scholes would go mental.
 
Giggsy13 said:
The fickle brigade wanting to sell Rashford can do one and feck right off. Get him under a proper manager and we’ll see the best of him again.
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Chelsea City and Liverpool would have already started finding a new club for him. And that is why they are successful football clubs and we are a fecking joke.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
No mistake and not forgetting martial earns even more.
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This is absolutely insane. Even in his wildest dreams Rashford will never be even half the player Kane and Salah are. But he is getting paid the same? And it wouldn't surprise me if he gets even a better contract. Pure lunacy, this. The state of this club is shocking. He needs to get sold as soon as possible, same for Martial.
 
Telsim said:
This is absolutely insane. Even in his wildest dreams Rashford will never be even half the player Kane and Salah are. But he is getting paid the same? And it wouldn't surprise me if he gets even a better contract. Pure lunacy, this. The state of this club is shocking. He needs to get sold as soon as possible, same for Martial.
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he was given that wage at around 21 yrs old. And the next one will of course be an increase
 
Telsim said:
This is absolutely insane. Even in his wildest dreams Rashford will never be even half the player Kane and Salah are. But he is getting paid the same? And it wouldn't surprise me if he gets even a better contract. Pure lunacy, this. The state of this club is shocking. He needs to get sold as soon as possible, same for Martial.
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Martial earns more than Salah
 
Maybe he’s just becoming disillusioned with the club. He’s very young, world on his shoulders, forced to lead the line because of the clubs incompetence, charity work and then going through uniteds worse period in decades. Too many managers already and I don’t blame him if he’s not arsed learning from his 4th manager, knowing there’s a 5th coming in the summer:lol:. Also the whole Bluemetel scandal and Martial being loaned away, people he’s worked with for years progressing together to form a deadly partnership only to fall apart this season. Plus there’s nothing left to fight for this season and it’s too late for 4th. I have a feeling next season he’ll be reinvigorated. With a much Better manager for next season.
 
I do think there's still hope for him. At this point the tide has turned for him drastically online to the point where's its become very extreme. I'm still very intrigued to see what he can do under Ten Hag.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Maybe he’s just becoming disillusioned with the club. He’s very young, world on his shoulders, forced to lead the line because of the clubs incompetence, charity work and then going through uniteds worse period in decades. Too many managers already and I don’t blame him if he’s not arsed learning from his 4th manager, knowing there’s a 5th coming in the summer:lol:. Also the whole Bluemetel scandal and Martial being loaned away, people he’s worked with for years progressing together to form a deadly partnership only to fall apart this season. Plus there’s nothing left to fight for this season and it’s too late for 4th. I have a feeling next season he’ll be reinvigorated. With a much Better manager for next season.
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None of that justifies lack of effort. It's just making excuses for players again; something we as a fan base really need to cut out.
 
If our squad was in better shape I'd be happy to let him move on for the right price. Its clear things haven't haven't right for a while and maybe a fresh start is best for all.

Given the absolute state of our squad at the moment though we'd be mad to get rid. I agree with those saying a one year extention (is there an option in his contract?) On the same wages and give him a real ultimatum, is the best way to go.
 
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