Some people work on their game to become world greatest footballers and some just fly to Dubai when they had maybe worst season of their career. Priorities.
Rashford considering his future...
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Some people work on their game to become world greatest footballers and some just fly to Dubai when they had maybe worst season of their career. Priorities.
Can we just start by selling all players who wear iced-bling.
Fecking 'BW'. Christ.
Fecking 'BW'. Christ.
I do find this intriguing. We can't press because we ain't fit enough, but they had a week off when ole was sacked, week off in January and a week off now. But yeah, depression n stuff
hadn't spotted that. Fecking footballersWhile these people are free to whatever they want in their free time, it does seem concerning that some are straight on the plane to Dubai or Florida or wherever ‘warm weather training’ takes place at the drop of a hat. I feel like sports is a profession where putting in overtime is a good thing, and those aren’t putting in a visible effort are frowned on by the employers and the fans.
The BW medallion is laughable. I would take the piss if he was a mate and say it’s like your mother putting your initials on your clothes when you were in primary school.
The BW medallion is laughable. I would take the piss if he was a mate and say it’s like your mother putting your initials on your clothes when you were in primary school.
The mistake we have made with Rashford, is the same mistake we have consistently made with the whole team. We are so needy for homegrown/ english talent. This is also apparent in our lack of modern managers over the last almost 10 years.
The assumption is that a homegrown or young English player would love the club, give their all and provide a level of certainty and stability to the club. In reality, this has led to us keeping and overpaying talent that were never truly good enough to either be here or demand the type of salary, celebration or respect they recieved. From 2010 with the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley to the Jones, Smalling debacle all the way down to the likes of Rashford, Lingard and Mctominay. We have neglected filling in certain positions with the hope of development. The problem in our player development isn't our coaching, it's our expectations that have been warped. It is very unlikely that a lot of great players develop and become superstars from one specific academy. Most great teams already have good players in their squad, which usually means that the younger player coming through has to prove their ability to displace the older good player. Foden at City had to prove that he was better or as good as the likes of Sterling and Mahrez to get the opportunities that he has had. When Busquets came through at City, he had to prove he was as good as Yaya Toure to start for Barca. At United, we have done the opposite of that. Our coaches and even fans, have encouraged not signing needed talent in order to give some young players the chance to develop. This has led to us being dependent on the future development, loyalty and performances of those players. Something that is usually far less likely to happen than people imagine. It feels similar to what Arsenal were doing in the late 2000's, relying heavily on the development of young players who either left or never reached the required level of a top talent. Arsenal, like us, wasted seasons waiting on these players to develop, which most never did. But it was " the right way".
Under Fergie, outside of Scholes, Beckham, Giggs and Neville we did not have any other first team players consistently starting at United coming through or developed through the academy. Further to this, outside of the outstanding talents of Ronaldo and Rooney, one could make the argument that we did not develop a true youngster coming in from outside the club who would start for the club. The young players we did sign, were young and already renowned like Sancho.
The assumption is that a homegrown or young English player would love the club, give their all and provide a level of certainty and stability to the club. In reality, this has led to us keeping and overpaying talent that were never truly good enough to either be here or demand the type of salary, celebration or respect they recieved. From 2010 with the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley to the Jones, Smalling debacle all the way down to the likes of Rashford, Lingard and Mctominay. We have neglected filling in certain positions with the hope of development. The problem in our player development isn't our coaching, it's our expectations that have been warped. It is very unlikely that a lot of great players develop and become superstars from one specific academy. Most great teams already have good players in their squad, which usually means that the younger player coming through has to prove their ability to displace the older good player. Foden at City had to prove that he was better or as good as the likes of Sterling and Mahrez to get the opportunities that he has had. When Busquets came through at City, he had to prove he was as good as Yaya Toure to start for Barca. At United, we have done the opposite of that. Our coaches and even fans, have encouraged not signing needed talent in order to give some young players the chance to develop. This has led to us being dependent on the future development, loyalty and performances of those players. Something that is usually far less likely to happen than people imagine. It feels similar to what Arsenal were doing in the late 2000's, relying heavily on the development of young players who either left or never reached the required level of a top talent. Arsenal, like us, wasted seasons waiting on these players to develop, which most never did. But it was " the right way".
Under Fergie, outside of Scholes, Beckham, Giggs and Neville we did not have any other first team players consistently starting at United coming through or developed through the academy. Further to this, outside of the outstanding talents of Ronaldo and Rooney, one could make the argument that we did not develop a true youngster coming in from outside the club who would start for the club. The young players we did sign, were young and already renowned like Sancho.
SAF did give plenty of opportunities to academy players not just class of 92 none became as successful but we shouldn’t forget those that were important squad or even first team players eg O’She, Brown, and Fletcher and plenty of other were given chances but we’re not good enough full stop and quickly lost their places and got moved on.
The great thing about SAF is that even with established world class players he knew when they had started to decline, so we can assume that he’d be an even better judge at sussing out what young players needed time and what players would just never make it.
The difference with Rashford is that he has demonstrated things since breaking into the first team that shows he has great potential and ability. So it’s a tough call to make. Where does patience end? Could take the Jose attitude and lose out players like Salah and De Bruyne when they’re in their early 20s. But then again could be to hopeful and get stuck with duds
Rashford is good enough.
But the drop off this season has been huge, after couple of injuries and surgery, I'm not sure if he on the downside now or its mostly mental.
His performances have been shocking especially of the ball, I'd be wondering if Ralf seeing it and recommending maybe he moves on. Just can't work it out, he seems so far of the pace and really unhappy with either his football or the club.
But the drop off this season has been huge, after couple of injuries and surgery, I'm not sure if he on the downside now or its mostly mental.
His performances have been shocking especially of the ball, I'd be wondering if Ralf seeing it and recommending maybe he moves on. Just can't work it out, he seems so far of the pace and really unhappy with either his football or the club.
He needs to consider his fecking head first. The best advice I can give him is to delete his social media for a year and focus on football and his family (not that he cares what any of us says 
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).Oh sorry. I didn't realise only high profile athletes and Hollywood celebrities are allowed to attend events. My bad. Silly me.
He hasn't shut down every claim about him in the media whether false or not.
Like Ronaldo was in Dubai the last break we had? Same as Rashford, Lingard, Maguire, Dalot and a load of other footballers?
Rashy and BW, for feck sake. I wonder do they get a Happy Meal with those chains?
When you see that and stuff like the leaked dinner menus you realise a lot of these guys are just overgrown 12 year olds.
When you see that and stuff like the leaked dinner menus you realise a lot of these guys are just overgrown 12 year olds.
Of course. I feel the same way.
These footballers are basically living like what most of us dreamed of when we were in our early teens. Play football, earn huge money, feck anyone we want, zero responsibility, everyone else wipes your ass for you etc.
It’s no wonder a fair few of them get depressed in their post career, when real life hits them like a ton of bricks and all the ass-kissers have deserted them for someone else. They mostly come from poor backgrounds too so they spend like there‘s no tomorrow because their family has never had that much money. They wear all that designer gear and bling because that’s what they think rich, successful people do. In reality they look tacky, gaudy, stupid and completely out of touch with reality.
Heard some other say that. I don’t like when Ronaldo does that to. Football should always go first. Even more so when things are as they are.
However, I wouldn’t exactly compare a player who qualify as one of world greatest ever to a kid whos best merits are few trophies. To put him in same group as Lingard and Maguire doesn’t make it better. As said. Priorities. Some work hard and work extra to be better. Some don’t.
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So in your opinion United's problem has been trying to develop young homegrown players?
What a lot of bollocks
83 years of youth team players in our squads and now its an issue
Yep Di Maria, Falcao, Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly and the other 30 failed players weve signed since Fergie left arent part of the problem
Messages that long that are pointless are just a waste of data... 8 bits for every one of those characters
No, it's the insistence on giving spots in the first team to homegrown players regardless of whether their good enough or not. Then using that decision to limit signings in certain positions. Our policy isn't the problem, we've just been imitating it in the wrong way.
What's happening now is if we chose to keep giving Brown, O'shea and Fletcher chances in the first team with no competition and failing to sign Rio, Vidic, Carrick on the basis of them potentially improving.
I'm not saying it's wrong that we should not give youth a chance, but I'm saying that we've started doing it with no context. You will usually have 2 or 3 break through in a 6 year period from a good youth academy. Our fans had us forcing the likes of Pereira in the first team on the basis of having a little bit of technique and being from the academy. That type of thinking leaves you going nowhere. Giving chances to potential stars like Greenwood is one thing, but forcing through players like Mctominay and Pereira is another.
Yes everyone should look at this. We gave chances to home grown talent if they are good enough. If not tried to find another club for them. If so Robbie Savage would have played for us. That said a peak Robbie Savage would walk into this current midfield.
People are mad if they think SAF would accept the way Rashford is behaving. I mean even during games SAF would be seen swearing at players and if they gave any talk back that's the end of them.
I hope Rashford stays. I think the surgery and last season's injury problems have really impacted him this season.
As an aside, it makes for uncomfortable reading some of the hateful things written about him by our very own "fans".
As an aside, it makes for uncomfortable reading some of the hateful things written about him by our very own "fans".
Good on Brandon Williams. I have a big FC chain in the same style.
When you hope that he stays, are you comfortable if he demands and gets an improved contract??
Because that's the only case he'll sign a new one.
You've missed my point. They all did training out there. They didn't just go there to joke around. Same like when Pogba/other players go there when injured. Those places are set up literally for that purpose. For athletes to train in warm weather and also not get bored in their rest/down time.
It's not an evil place when you're an athlete. Migrant worker? That's different. Ronaldo, Pogba and Rashford all go there for the same reason. High-quality training facilities and relaxation.
I agree.
My personal worry for him is that he might be finished after this injury.
He wasn't the most technical gifted or intelligent player making through passes etc - so if a back injury is slowing down him by even 2% it's going to reduce his gung ho approach.
So many players "lose it" after injuries and I'm scared Rashford might just be another Kaka after his injury because he doesn't have the ability to adapt his game like Van persie did for example.
The hope I have is that he is still only 24 and a lot of players like Salah, Robben and many many more have gone to hard places, quiet places during those years to come back much stronger a few years later.
Maybe he does need that different club or environment to do so but who knows, maybe the new manager can provide that system aswell.
When he is with Brandon he dresses alright. But with Lingard he dresses like a gangsta french artist.
Was watching ousmane Dembele last night. That is how a right winger should play for UTD. Completely unpredictable with both feet, fast. Now compare it with the performance from him this season. Don't know why he should be offered a new contract, let alone a fat one.
Because he gets a free pass after injury and also has mental health issues. Also does charity. Good enough reasons to offer him a new contract in my opinion.
Training? Lets not kid ourselfs. You don’t go to Dubai for training. This is a place you go for vacation. To relax. For some glamour. Posting picture on Instagram where you take few runs is just for social media so fans can say. Look at him training. We all know how it works.
If you want to train without any distraction you go to a lot less exposed place. And if you have a bad time like lot of our players do you simply stay at home and work out on your game. Football can be a very short career if you don’t take care of your body and mind. Suddenly you are not even League Two level. We have seen that before.
It's not like first-team training has achieved much for Rashford - the opposite is closer to the truth if his form is any indicator. The same logic applies to the rest of the squad, as not one of our players has shown any real progress this season. Again, the opposite is closer to the truth.
Some time away from Old Trafford might do them some good. It certainly won't hurt them in any case.
The reality is that if we had Jadon Sancho last year then on the form of Rashford last year and this year he would have spent most of 2 seasons coming off the bench rather than being a starter. He will most likely want to be one of the highest paid players in the prem and our squad if we give him a new contract. Unless he pulls out some amazing displays over the next couple months and starts the new season on fire then I think he should go because he won't be happy being a bit part player.
Marcus is the face of our youth development, but hes not the only one that can be that. There will always be good youth teamers coming through and Marcus hasn't shown that he is some mercurial once in a generation talent. There will be others to come through just as good or better. So for me im not too fussed if we sell him.
Marcus is the face of our youth development, but hes not the only one that can be that. There will always be good youth teamers coming through and Marcus hasn't shown that he is some mercurial once in a generation talent. There will be others to come through just as good or better. So for me im not too fussed if we sell him.
He could fecking score 50 goals until the summer and he should still go.
The club should only reward constant performance, not sudden performance when the player wants a contract.
I really hope a guy that wears a gold chain with his name on it is not the face of our youth development, I really really do hope that, but I know what you mean.
No white text? Are you serious?
This shouldn't have anything to do with it. Rashford was wearing chains when he was banging in 20+ goals in a season and doing his charity. That doesn't matter.
There is nothing wrong with Rashford as a person, however he wants to dress or whatever chains he wants to wear is his choice and has no bearing on his form.
I'd be okay with him leaving due to his dreadful form over 2 seasons and the fact that it looks like he isn't enjoying his time here, not because of his fashion sense.
And that's an assumption based on pure guess work. Sancho has looked ok/half decent recently but lets not act like for the majority of the season he was bang average/bad.
Obviously it's guess work, unless you have some sort of crystal ball to look into?
Calodo is correct though. Both started their respective seasons poorly/under par. Sancho is the only one that has knuckled down, worked hard and turned his form around. Whereas the other player has continued to put little to no effort on the pitch, leak stories to the media when he's not getting picked and threatened supporters.
There was a stat earlier in the season that showed attackers in the league with the most presses. It was littered with City and Liverpool players. Only one player from United made the list - Sancho. Despite having very little game time in comparison to the other players.
He's shown a willingness to work hard.
Exactly that's the point i'm getting at. Would love to see that list if you have it to hand?
You know he can still access top class training facilities in Dubai right just as he could be doing feck all but get drunk at United.
That would go some way to explaining his on pitch performances.