Rashford considering his future...

ayushreddevil9 said:
The club should just start a therapy dept for what its worth. The excuses are growing on a daily basis.

Didn't hear those when James was playing for us. Maybe if he was English and from the academy he might have had mental health issues.
Click to expand...

It's weird that when SAF was in charge, we'd never heard this type of problem.

It was a lot simpler. Players turned shite or unmotivated were sold and became other Club problems. No time was given for them to give excuse.

fecking meany Mr. Ferguson!! why don't you keep those shite unmotivated players and give them help???
 
Last edited:
Isotope said:
maybe Maguire, Shaw, Pogba, Lingard, and AWB all have mental health issue too. We need to spare them.

United sacked Ole was too harsh. He probably had mental health issue also.

Maybe we should retain Mata and Matic for another 4 years. They might have mental health issue, whatnot they aren't as good as they used to be.

And yeh. We made mistake when sold Lukaku. He was good but turned lazy. Bet he had mental health problem.
Click to expand...
Rashford to his credit hasn't claimed to be suffering from mental health issues as far as I know but what is clear is the readiness to attribute his poor form and lack of effort to mental health but the same excuse was never allowed or considered for Martial despite both players suffering a similar decline.

When we complain about pandering to this British core its not out of hate, just look at how Maguire's poor season has been handled in the media and on these forums and compare to the likes of Rojo or Bailly. They never had the same excuses thrown about to explain away their poor performances.

Then there is our legends doing punditry and how quick they are to jump on a foreign manager yet were comfortable with Moyes and Ole. If the club doesn't stand strong I can see the same happening to ETH as soon as he hits stormy waters.
 
AneRu said:
I don't know why most are attributing his poor form and lack of effort to mental health, something which is serious enough to avoid trivializing for a spoilt brat upset that he isnt playing his favorite position, lost his 'arm around the shoulder manager' and that a few players earn more than him.

He is sulking and at the same time trying to manipulate the club, which to be honest is polluted by ignorant bellends at the top, into offering him a new deal. None of his behavior over the last five or so months screams 'one of our own', we spent years berating Rooney for his 2010 contract antics but he showed more passion, effort and end product than our golden boy. I'd bet my house that Rooney wouldn't be strolling around the pitch at the Etihad whilst City tortured us, he would have broken a few bones.

I think it's important that the club and the fans aren't taken in by this 'one of our own' spin because we know how a tre one club man behaves, Scholes didn't need an agent to negotiate with United let alone build a PR team to throw his manager under the bus to explain away his piss poor performances. If he wants privileges that the likes of Scholes, Neville and Giggs enjoyed with the fans and the club he has to meet the standard that they set week in, week out in terms of effort and commitment. To me he is just one more mercenary contributing to the snake pit that is the United dressing room.
Click to expand...



Young player unused to anything that isn’t blanket adulation reacts badly when faced with criticism for his performances and effort for the first time in his career.

There’s nearly an entire industry set up to pretend it’s something more complex than that.
 
Vapor trail said:
The recent comments about his heart not being set on leaving, can't see why this isn't anything but a contract negotiation ploy. Similar situation happening at present with the defender at Barcelona.

I think the wider issue with Rashford seems to be his temperament and mentality. Off-field situations who knows but I do find it strange that many seem to assume footballers are outside of being prone to vulnerabilities such as mental breakdowns, states of depression and anxiety due to how much they earn or their profession. As if what someone earns offers them some exclusivity from mental insufficiency.

You could actually say that the famous are in even more danger to these aptitudes for a range of reasons: consistently in the public eye, persistent pressures, high expectations etc. Behind every profession, career and job is a person.
Click to expand...

Quit. Theyre set for life they have the luxury to take as much off days as they want.

Sometimes i wonder if people like you offer these kind of leeway on everyday jobs?

Maybe trump was stress and having mental issue, or maybe the cnut of a boss who kepts on breathing on my neck has one as well.
 
Isotope said:
It's weird that when SAF was in charge, we'd never heard this type of problem.

It was a lot simpler. Players turned shite or unmotivated were sold and became other Club problems. No time was given for them to give excuse.

fecking meany Mr. Ferguson!! why don't you keep those shite unmotivated players and give them help???
Click to expand...


To be fair, people spoke about men's mental health much less even only a few years ago.
 
Bobade said:
To be fair, people spoke about men's mental health much less even only a few years ago.
Click to expand...

Men’s mental health is an important issue. Quack diagnosis of mental health problems in order to shut up criticism that someone isn’t making an effort in a football match is a fecking disgrace
 
Feck him off to West Ham in part exchange for Rice. He can continue to feck about with his buddy JLingz in London while we actually get back down to the business of winning things with players who give a feck.
 
stw2022 said:
Men’s mental health is an important issue. Quack diagnosis of mental health problems in order to shut up criticism that someone isn’t making an effort in a football match is a fecking disgrace
Click to expand...

Oh, I completely agree. I'm just making the point that I wouldn't expect it to have been mentioned in SAFs day, genuine or not, because of the stigma and the fact it was rarely mentioned.
 
AneRu said:
Rashford to his credit hasn't claimed to be suffering from mental health issues as far as I know but what is clear is the readiness to attribute his poor form and lack of effort to mental health but the same excuse was never allowed or considered for Martial despite both players suffering a similar decline.

When we complain about pandering to this British core its not out of hate, just look at how Maguire's poor season has been handled in the media and on these forums and compare to the likes of Rojo or Bailly. They never had the same excuses thrown about to explain away their poor performances.

Then there is our legends doing punditry and how quick they are to jump on a foreign manager yet were comfortable with Moyes and Ole. If the club doesn't stand strong I can see the same happening to ETH as soon as he hits stormy waters.
Click to expand...

I think the reason people think mental health might be an issue is that previously rashfords mentality seemed to be spot on. Martial is just a lazy player.
 
stw2022 said:
Men’s mental health is an important issue. Quack diagnosis of mental health problems in order to shut up criticism that someone isn’t making an effort in a football match is a fecking disgrace
Click to expand...
Disgrace is a bit strong. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes and I don't think you can discount it as a possibility. Obviously there's nothing to prove it either way but I don't think it's 'a disgrace' to speculate it may be a factor. Footballers aren't immune from these things and god knows it's been a tough few years for everyone...
 
Pickle85 said:
Disgrace is a bit strong. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes and I don't think you can discount it as a possibility. Obviously there's nothing to prove it either way but I don't think it's 'a disgrace' to speculate it may be a factor. Footballers aren't immune from these things and god knows it's been a tough few years for everyone...
Click to expand...
Rashford is the one stoking the fire though, when his form is at its lowest. This is where a lot of the anger is coming from. He neeeds to knuckle down and get back into form before playing the club through the media and his team. Fans have little time for these players anymore
 
Rashford’s ‘mental health issues’ look a lot like a player used to being idolised disliking criticism of his work rate.
 
clarkydaz said:
Rashford is the one stoking the fire though, when his form is at its lowest. This is where a lot of the anger is coming from. He neeeds to knuckle down and get back into form before playing the club through the media and his team. Fans have little time for these players anymore
Click to expand...
I agree he's not helped himself but it's still a bit much to say that people who are querying whether his mental health could be an issue are disgraces.
 
All he had to do is run his ass off for the team and his image will improve 10x. Didnt know he couldnt do that due to mental problems.
 
Pickle85 said:
Is that your professional opinion?
Click to expand...

People diagnosing him with mental health issues because he isn’t tracking back any more have an absolute fecking cheek calling anyone out on their ‘professional opinion’

Diagnosis of mental health issues on a perfect stranger to win an argument online is sick
 
luffy7 said:
All he had to do is run his ass off for the team and his image will improve 10x. Didnt know he couldnt do that due to mental problems.
Click to expand...

Just like the shoulder injury that excused his poor decision making.
 
luffy7 said:
All he had to do is run his ass off for the team and his image will improve 10x. Didnt know he couldnt do that due to mental problems.
Click to expand...
Again, I'm not saying he has mental health problems or not but you do realise how stupid this is, right? It's this kind of attitude that goes hand in hand with the 'snap out of it' attitude towards mental health emergencies.
 
stw2022 said:
People diagnosing him with mental health issues because he isn’t tracking back any more have an absolute fecking cheek calling anyone out on their ‘professional opinion’

Diagnosis of mental health issues on a perfect stranger to win an argument online is sick
Click to expand...
I haven't seen anyone categorically saying it's definitely this but maybe I missed it. The point is, not being on the inside we can't say categorically either way. Writing it off beyond doubt is equally as nonsensical.
 
Pickle85 said:
I haven't seen anyone categorically saying it's definitely this but maybe I missed it. The point is, not being on the inside we can't say categorically either way. Writing it off beyond doubt is equally as nonsensical.
Click to expand...

No it isn’t. Diagnosis of entirely imagined mental health issues is not in any way comparable to thinking diagnosis of imaginary mental health issues is sick.

Why don’t we diagnose Maguire with leprosy and say ‘it’s nonsensical to say he doesn’t have it unless you know for sure’

It’s (ironically) mental


Sancho wasn’t the best midweek. Prove it isn’t shingles.
 
Entitlement is a one way route to narcissism. So yeah it’s a pretty fecking simple diagnosis.

Not one for which anyone should be making excuses for him, mind.
 
stw2022 said:
No it isn’t. Diagnosis of entirely imagined mental health issues is not in any way comparable to thinking diagnosis of imaginary mental health issues is sick.
Click to expand...
What are you on about? Thats not what I'm arguing. I'm saying that categorically writing off the possibility of Rashford suffering from mental health issues is as nonsensical as categorically stating he's suffering. Unless you're the united team psychologist, Rashford himself or a close friend you have no fecking idea either way.
 
His problem is a footballing one, same with a player like Martial.

I know it's weird seeing two players who look physically shot at their age but unfortunately, that seems to be the case with them.
 
Someone saying ‘someone may have mental health issues’ based on the fact they run into dead end with a football don’t put the onus on someone else to prove they don’t
 
stw2022 said:
Someone saying ‘someone may have mental health issues’ based on the fact they run into dead end with a football don’t put the onus on someone else to prove they don’t
Click to expand...
Similarly, saying 'someone doesn't have mental health issues' doesn't put the onus on someone else to prove they do. At the end of the day, nobody knows for sure so although you're free to act as certain as you choose, you still have no real clue.
 
Quality control
Every one could be suffering from mental health issues. Presumably that’s the basis for the infamous chant: ‘You’re not singing any more, is there anything the matter that we can help with?’ and why Harry Maguire’s performance thread is just full of people posting phone numbers to support groups

MNF just an hour of Gary challenging Jamie to prove the left back wasn’t falling on his arse all night due to seasonal mood disorder

Most VAR decisions are defended on basis that the assistant could have marital pressures. Prove he doesn’t
 
stw2022 said:
Every one could be suffering from mental health issues. Presumably that’s the basis for the infamous chant: ‘You’re not singing any more, is there anything the matter that we can help with?’ and why Harry Maguire’s performance thread is just full of people posting phone numbers to support groups
Click to expand...
:lol: this did make me chuckle tbf.
 
stw2022 said:
Someone saying ‘someone may have mental health issues’ based on the fact they run into dead end with a football don’t put the onus on someone else to prove they don’t
Click to expand...
Considering the players that do state they're suffering from mental health issues (Neymar for example) are still abused to hell and back, it'd be a sane position to be wary of such troubles in those who don't before ripping into them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cheimoon
antk said:
Considering the players that do state they're suffering from mental health issues (Neymar for example) are still abused to hell and back, it'd be a sane position to be wary of such troubles in those who don't before ripping into them.
Click to expand...

Can you show me an example of times when you’ve insisted on consideration being given to mental health worries prior to criticising a players performance?
 
That's a new one. Fellaini was having mental issues when he let the ball run out of play.
McTominay was having mental issues for not tracking back.
DeGea always had mental issues when he has to come out for a high ball. AWB has mental issues when he has to cross the ball.
Jose has mental issues for throwing players under the bus. ( This one is probably correct)
 
Utd should give him a new contract to double his wages. Infact they could let him live in Dubai and train online to ease his suffering. Maybe he could get a every second month off for meditation.

Utd are in this mess because they give out huge contracts willy nilly. If Marcus has mental health problems then he should get it sorted but I hope I don't see him on the pitch again this season.

Also I think a lot less of him for not apologising, mentally ill or not.
 
Last edited:
Foxbatt said:
That's a new one. Fellaini was having mental issues when he let the ball run out of play.
McTominay was having mental issues for not tracking back.
DeGea always had mental issues when he has to come out for a high ball. AWB has mental issues when he has to cross the ball.
Jose has mental issues for throwing players under the bus. ( This one is probably correct)
Click to expand...
Rashford has PTSD when he is about to do some defensive work. Maybe they used to bully him back when he was a kid when he tried to track back in 5 a side game.
 
Since when was it acceptable to openly mock someone for potentially having mental health issues, let alone players of the club you supposedly support?

This thread is fecking embarrassing.
 
Jackal981 said:
Rashford has PTSD when he is about to do some defensive work. Maybe they used to bully him back when he was a kid when he tried to track back in 5 a side game.
Click to expand...

To be fair his back injury seemed to be triggered when the opposition had the ball so let’s not dismiss it
 
DeGea’sFeet said:
Embellishing the truth is lying, usually when people embellish the truth they do it to have a positive outcome on either themselves or someone else.
Click to expand...
Yes like when journalists did similar to Sterling or the countless other players they have done similar to.
 
Random Task said:
Since when was it acceptable to openly mock someone for potentially having mental health issues, let alone players of the club you supposedly support?

This thread is fecking embarrassing.
Click to expand...
Just as embarrassing as making up fake diagnosis to defend a player taking his boyhood club and fans for granted. The club that he refuses to fight for, preferring instead to sulk and stroll around the pitch, gave him a platform to achieve fame and fortune so the least he can do is cherish every minute he gets to play for it and work his socks off when the chips are down.

Every footballer who has a social media presence is subject to nasty comments and abuse but they don't respond by sulking on the pitch. My position on Maguire, his signing and catalogue of meme worthy errors, is well known but I don't think anyone can ever fault him for not trying and he has had tonnes of abuse but every time he puts on the shirt you can't accuse him of not putting in the required effort, same with Fred who has endured much more abuse for far longer.

Making up excuses for our favorites is what's destroying them at the end because we are putting them on a pedestal their quality, talent and drive cannot match then make up excuses when they inevitably fail. They then believe this hype and when someone like Ralf comes in to rip the bandaid off he is immediately the boogeyman who has to be thrown under the bus.

Meanwhile, barren seasons accumulate soon to reach Liverpool territory. We as fans are sometimes enablers of this slide because we make it too comfortable for someone to stick around, put the bare minimum effort and collect their pay. It won't fly in Madrid or Turin.
 
Random Task said:
Since when was it acceptable to openly mock someone for potentially having mental health issues, let alone players of the club you supposedly support?

This thread is fecking embarrassing.
Click to expand...
One of the most embarrassing in a while. Some of the posters in here deserve deleting...
 
Problem we have with Rashford is that he is not a RW. Will never be no matter how many people think he should be and no matter how many managers try to shoehorn him in that position. Its like playing Pogba in a double pivot. 6 years we have tried it. Never worked. Well every blue moon it does then its all yeah thats the answer. Told you! But generally over a long period of time it is not the answer. Same as him being a striker. Doesnt work. Sometimes a player has all the attributes to play a position but they cant. Rashford should be able to play all across the front. He has the attributes to do it. But he just can't. Let it go already.

So now we have Sancho on the left are we going to spend the next 3,4,5 years shoehorning him to the RW like we did with Mata and Lingard? If so. Sell him. For his sake, for our sakes, for the clubs sake. Sell him. If we see a future where he is a LW then give him a break and lets try again next year.
 
Imposing a diagnosis of mental illness on a stranger based on absolutely nothing then acting offended when your diagnosis is dismissed is a new low for the Top Reds
 
You must log in or register to reply here.